There are things in life that just makes you want to say why. [like this, for instance] You always think about these things when you come across certain stories: Like the one about the folks at the World Cup wanting to ban the vuvuzelas because a bunch of players are whining about their concentration. Please. Personally, I love the "swarm of locusts" type sound that the horns give off. They are unique to South Africa and the fans in the region and they should stay.
Also, they are raiding Sizzler Restaurants in Arizona. Why? Are the undocumented workers busting it in the kitchen going to make the steaks into weapons of mass destruction?
And finally, I have a serious question: If you are young, single, and wealthy; and you play the most important position on a team in the country's most glamorous and prestigious league, why are you in a strip club at three in the morning? (Vince, does the name "Big Ben" mean anything to you?)
The strip club? I guess my man didn't get the memo about no "sex being in the champagne room." And even if there was sex, why would you need to go to the champagne room to get it? Come on Vince, let's start treating life as if it's your Titans play book: with a seriousness of purpose. You have way too much talent to waste.
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The sizzler jobs are for citizens of this country, with the unemployment rate at 24% for some AA's, I'd expect some understanding. But I guess you are just too smart for common sense....
szpork
I swear Mr. Field, if I was a professional athlete and I just had to go to a club I'd buy my own and every person who came to the club would be screened and cleared in advance. I guess that just makes too much sense for guys like Vince and Ben.
And....Go Celtics!
Rondo is the man. Doc Rivers is one hell of a coach, and he doesn't get the credit he deserves.
"Are the undocumented workers busting it in the kitchen going to make the steaks into weapons of mass destruction? "
That was funny as hell, Field.
But seriously, you would think Vince Young would understand by now.
I love when people say jobs are for citizens of this country. Really than why the hell are people hiring Immigrants to do a citizens job?
These "ILLEGALS" are not stealing these jobs from others. They are going into these places like any old regular person turning in applications and getting hired.
Why not turn on the Owners of these establishments?? The hiring managers who are going out of there way to hire these "Illegals" Why not arrest them or tax the hell out of them.
Stop blaming the "ILLEGALS" for our own stupidity and lack of morals. In order for these immigration laws to right themselves, we need to look closer at home in the great states of a AMERIKKA.
~J
Desperation should not be confused for stupidity...shooting yourself to get medical attention!!! SMH
If it were possible Arizona has just earned a new position on the map. Welcome to the South Arizonians!
When will some of these wealthy and famous/infamous men get a clue... seedy environments+you= $$$ loss one way or another... stop being so dumb and carnal!!!
Filled Negro:
You are one funny guy.
The Progressive Mantra has been to "go after those evil, greedy, exploitative corporations that HIRE ILLEGALS".
Funny that former governor Janet Napolitano signed such a bill in Arizona prior to being asked to depart this "racist" state and serve at the will of the President in Washington DC.
Despite the law in Arizona that sanctions these businesses there STILL is a problem in the state.
Also despite the fact that Sheriff Arpaio got his authority from this LAW that is in line with this Progressive Mantra - you and HuffPo intend to get the maximum advantage out of this story, failing to mention that this is the policy that you had once supported.
Tell me, Filled Negro, exactly what policies do you support in regards to illegal immigration?
Should the sheriff had ARRESTED the managers at Sizzlers and LEFT the "illegals" there to work?
I know that I would be pissed if I was sitting at the table waiting for my meal and it never came because all of the kitchen staff was arrested for being in the nation illegally.
What about you?
J, hasn't Obama proposed if not enacted punishing companies that hire illegals? Look, no bs here, black people did all the masonry where I live growing up and some of the roofing. Those jobs are now done by Mexicans. There are now zero opportunities for black people in construction outside of government work because Mexican's can work cheaper. Seriously, I can't figure out why Unions and Black people are for illegal immigration if not for the votes. It works great for the contractors and sub contractors too, but I doubt you're rooting for them.
szpork
"These "ILLEGALS" are not stealing these jobs from others."
-J, I agree, but the thing is, black people in America (including black immigrants), have not yet been able to secure a positive future for the upcoming black generations in this colorist and black skin discriminating society. You are right, these people are not taking jobs away from the upper and middle class black or white people, but their children will be the ones competing, thriving and preferred over the "black" future generation in America. Its already started.
This is why I think black people in America need to concern themselves with issues that more concern us as a people, and stop expending energy on others who need to deal with their own issues. And for anyone that wants to say that AmeriKKKa will come for blacks next, let me remind you that black people have always been the target of harassment and discrimination. Everyone else is riding the coat tails and benefitting from the various civil rights movement.
I know I sound harsh and I sound like broken record, but I will revisit my position the day I see more of the non-black minority communities start blogging and concerning themselves over the discrimination and issues that black people have been facing everyday.
And why was Vince fighting like someone took away his lollipop? Were there not enough white strippers to share?
Please don't tell me whom I'm rooting for. We don't know each other that well Pork. What I'm saying is that instead of pushing the blame on the ILLEGALS let's take a look at the hiring practices of these companies.
You say black people have done all the masonry where you work. Well that is great, but guess what?? Mexicans have always done it where I'm at.
People are quick to jump on the HE STOLE MY JOB bandwagon..... But did he really??? or did your cheap lazy ass boss decide to take the ignorant way out?
I live in the great broke state of California, so I can tell you almost all the menial work labor jobs are done by Mexicans. Hell in my city alone all of the Fast food restaurants and eating establishments Mexicans are the employees. Do I blame them, no I give a side eye to the "MAN" for taking the easy way out. We all have mouths to feed and are hungry for the next job. Let's find a way to fix the problem, so we all can root for each other.
BTW, My vote will always be for the people and that is why I'm a proud bleeding heart liberal.
~J
I know I sound harsh and I sound like broken record, but I will revisit my position the day I see more of the non-black minority communities start blogging and concerning themselves over the discrimination and issues that black people have been facing everyday.
~~~~~~~
Not harsh at all..... Just honest. Thanks
~J
These "ILLEGALS" are not stealing these jobs from others. They are going into these places like any old regular person turning in applications and getting hired.
For how many generations will Mexican and South American immigrants be satisfied at working low skilled and no skilled jobs? What happens they want some upward mobility and find it nearly impossible to achieve?
The people that illegals and new immigrants are competing with now are mostly low skilled blacks; however, at some point, they will want the opportunity for greater education and a place in the middle class. The problem of course is that there aren't enough chairs at that particular table to go around.
Hell, those damned horns are so effing annoying I want them banned!
L
I need a vuvuzela so that I can use it as a ring tone for people I don't want to talk to , like my kids father. I think sound will make him hang up. And you are right there is no sex in the champagne, there are just a bunch of illegals trying to make a buck, like Catalina from "My Name Is Earl".
Peace, Love and Chocolate
Tiffany
J, there was one Mexican in my high school, she married the quarterback had a kid then divorced. I've been to LA for work, the owner was white and the 26 hourly's were Hispanic.
This is all anecdotal but it's true. Teenagers and low skill workers are competing with people who are here illegally and can work for some seriously low wages.
This just cannot work out well in the long run.
szpork
Awwwwwww
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/102893-obama-golfs-for-four-hours-in-sweltering-heat
Field,
If the vuvzelas are the worse thing that happens during this WC then the tournament will be an unqualified success.
I agree with J and SZ Pork. Our position on illegal immigration in California is untenable. I am old enough to recall when getting a job at McDonald's was in the purview of teenagers and retirees. Now it's almost always illegal immigrants. Sometimes they don't have enough English proficiency to take an order! The illegal immigrants do a lot of work that kids used to do and take pride in their ability to earn some pocket change with their 'soda water' jobs, as my Grandparents call them.
Along with the hiring of illegal immigrants in service jobs and agriculture, there are no manufacturing jobs available at all so lower educated people have to compete with ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS!!!
I know they have it tough and I've tutored some kids who had questionable status and kept that to myself. However, on a deeper level we have to take responsibility for this issue by acknowledging the drain on public resources and safety nets. Additionally, we need to acknowledge that the majority of the time, these assholes KNOW they are hiring an illegal with questionable paperwork.
I sometimes laugh at the irony of our situation in the US though. We are going broke quickly. I wonder if we'll be illegal immigrants to other countries one day, then get treated the way we treat illegal Mestizoes.
Let's be honest, I've never heard the rhetoric extend to illegal Canadian immigrants, although there are a few of them too!
This BP fiasco is turning the Gulf into an ocean of oil with millions of American jobs lost. Along with the out-of-control illegal immigrants, the massive layoffs of Policemen, teachers and firefighters, the economy and I would say things are looking pretty bad for America.
Too bad Palin isn't President. BP would be toast and illegal immigrants would be back in Mexico.
Field I'm more surprised you didn't include the article below in your post.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20100612/us_time/08599199606400
Re: "Also, they are raiding Sizzler Restaurants in Arizona. Why?"
Because the workers they were after are here illegally, that's why. Simple as that. They don't need to be terrorists in order for law to apply to them. Mexicans are only being targeted because the bulk of our illegal immigrants are Mexican. Their ethnicity and the economic/social reasons that brought to this country are irrelevant. The fact of the matter is illegal immigrant (Mexican or otherwise) are here illegally. Unless they were brought here against their will, they chose to commit a crime by living and working here without the proper documentation. They shouldn't be exempt from legal punishment just because their backstory is assumed to be pitiful. Supporting illegal immigration by giving them a slap on the wrist for breaking our immigration laws sends the wrong message to immigrants who entered this country through the proper channels (however cumbersome they are).
Re: This illegal immigration blame game.
I cannot understand why people think it has to be one or the other--either blame the Mexicans or the business that employ them. Not only are BOTH to blame, American consumers are to blame as well! Americans need to stop giving business to companies that knowingly hire illegal immigrants--who are here because of employment opportunities which exist because of consumer demand for the goods produced…...
(Slightly) Off Topic
Re: Mexico
The Mexican government needs to stop getting pissy with America and expecting our country to take care of THEIR responsibility (poor and unemployed Mexicans). They need to fix whatever problems in their country that is 'forcing' millions of its poorest citizens to enter America illegally.
OT: The pro illegal immigration crowd
Feel good, progressive liberals need to realize how offensive it is to say that if illegal immigrants weren't working here, things would be more expensive. Who in their right mind cannot see how offensive it is to say that illegal immigrant should continue to be paid pennies on the dollar just to keep our grocery bill low?
123, "I cannot understand why people think it has to be one or the other--either blame the Mexicans or the business that employ them. Not only are BOTH to blame, American consumers are to blame as well! Americans need to stop giving business to companies that knowingly hire illegal immigrants--who are here because of employment opportunities which exist because of consumer demand for the goods produced…..."
I like the boycott angle. Thanks. I plan to no longer support those businesses who clearly are hiring illegal immigrants.
MR, you are a teacher and YOU have said nothing about illegal kids in your classroom? What kind of a citizen are you?
CF, you need to check out the last few comments in the post about Greene. Field and some asshole anon have been trying to do a duo on you.
I disqualified anon, but I didn't touch Field because I know you like him because of your Christian background which says to love your enemies. Thank goodness you are Christian because Field confessed over the weekend that he just wants to be loved. However, I am finding it harder and harder to believe him. I think it is a Jamaican lie.
On the other hand, he DOES live in Philly- and they are definitely running short on love partly because of the Street Pirates in that town.
The plural of vuvuzuela is amaVuvuzuela, and thus not 'Vuvuzuelas'.
[/irritating smart-ass pedantry]
"Tell me, Filled Negro, exactly what policies do you support in regards to illegal immigration?"
There should be no such thing as an "illegal immigrant". I am an "open borders" advocate. (One more thing you can use against me if/when I run for office)Let the Mexican workers come and go as they please. If they are arrested or commit a crime while they are here, deport them. They won't be able to vote, but they will pay taxes on their wages. Companies that hire them won't be able to pay them $6 an hour under the table, because they (the immigrants) won't be afraid of arrest. Then the problems szpork and M. talk about in Cali won't exist. I could go on, I plan to present a position paper on this subject one day, so stay tuned. ;)
La~Audio, I disagree with you on this one. Two wrongs don't make a right. Just because there are ignorant immigrants who come to this country and buy into racism, doesn't mean that we should do the same thing to them.
"123, "I cannot understand why people think it has to be one or the other--either blame the Mexicans or the business that employ them. Not only are BOTH to blame, American consumers are to blame as well! Americans need to stop giving business to companies that knowingly hire illegal immigrants--who are here because of employment opportunities which exist because of consumer demand for the goods produced…...""
Anon 3:02 am, are you going to throw away your Iphone because of all the workers killing themselves due to poor working conditions in the Iphone factory? Are you going to throw away your nice suit or cotton shirt because of the way companies who employ people who make your clothes, treat them?
And how, exactly, will we know the companies who are INTENTIONALLY hiring illigals?
Redbonegirl...I love the idea of a vuvuzuela ring tone. :)
Thank you Purple Cow, I can always count on you to keep us straight.
Val, looke like your C's might take it. Although I saw Kobe after the game and he looked pissed. I think they are going to be a tough out.
Hey Anonymous 3:02AM, we all have our own crosses to bear in this life. Ethically speaking, I have tutored children who have questionable citizenship status. But my job is not to investigate the citizenship of a child; the schools are supposed to verify all of that information; I have absolutely no liability in such matters.
BTW I am a tutor, not a classroom teacher at this time.
In any event, the concept of 'affordance' is one I learned in an AIDS course I took years ago. This term means more than what a person can afford financially, it takes into account their life story and their obligations.
Had I ratted out a child who may or may not have been an illegal immigrant, the very tapestry of their lives would be unraveled. And for what?
What happens when you tutor a child of an illegal parent, but the child is LEGAL and is neither proficient in English OR the language of her parent(s)? Would ratting to the authorities about the citizenship of her parent(s) help that child in any way? Would it help the community at all?
In my personal experience...NO. When I make decisions to act or not, I consider my morals and ethics. My job as a tutor is to help children learn and to provide support to the child and their family to that end. I have no desire to ruin anyone's life by tattling on them and I refuse to do it.
I believe that we ought to attack the issue of illegal immigration through intense policy reforms, but I am not an INS agent nor should I be held accountable to INS creeds.
In my personal affairs, when me and my husband need yard work done we do not hire ostensible illegal immigrants. This is our way of taking action against such practices. But it certainly does not mean that we will call up immigration and tattle on someone we think is an illegal.
I don't believe in tattling unless someone has been killed, raped or a child has been harmed. I refuse to be part of the gestapo against members of my community. So later for your authoritarian lectures.
Field, I look forward to your white paper on this issue. Sometimes I am of the open border mind, except jurisdiction is a bitch in such matters. Frankly I'd much prefer to be under the US Constitution...
[quote]I sometimes laugh at the irony of our situation in the US though. We are going broke quickly. I wonder if we'll be illegal immigrants to other countries one day, then get treated the way we treat illegal Mestizoes.[/quote]
MR:
Here is the summary statement that shows the irony of it all:
Some of the very people that HATE THE ECONOMIC POLICIES OF THIS NATION.......are of those that DEMAND that this EVIL NATION open up and allow the masses IN TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OUR PROSPERITY.
Look at the difference between California and the west coast of Mexico. Both have a similar climate. We receive many of our winter-time vegetables from Mexico.
The Left-wing Revolutionaries who's voice is heard in this teacher says it all:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGqPo5ofk0s
IMPERIALISM AND CAPITALISM!!!!!
WHY can't Mexico take their land SOUTH OF CALIFORNIA and leverage it into the very same ECONOMIC POWERHOUSE that they HATE about America?
PROGRESSIVISM IS NOT ORGANIC!!!!!!
Instead it is a PERPETUAL PROTEST MOVEMENT!!!!
The WORST possible scenario for Progressivism is when they WIN CONTROL OVER THE LAND and are the LAST MAN STANDING, needing to PRODUCE the benefits that they have long STRUGGLED FOR.
The people need to have a carrot strung out in front of them to keep them from being depressed about the FAILURES of the land that they already control
[quote]There should be no such thing as an "illegal immigrant". I am an "open borders" advocate. (One more thing you can use against me if/when I run for office)Let the Mexican workers come and go as they please.[/quote]
Filled Negro:
"WHAT ABOUT THE NEGRO??????"
In your THEORY - how does the Negro American fare?
DIDN'T they need PROTECTION in order to have a viable chance at OPPORTUNITY in your past set of theories? How will he fare in your world when the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT worker (which is no longer ILLEGAL in your book) eviscerate the market opportunities?
The Mexican worker SHOULD HAVE JOBS AT HOME!!!! What about Mexico forces him to MOVE AWAY?
DO YOU NOT SEE FILLED NEGRO!!!!
The reason why this LEFTIST TEACHER IN THE VIDEO must focus on TEXAS, AZ, NM AND CALI as a means of MOTIVATING HIS LEFTIST TROOPS is because HE CAN'T point to Mexico City, etc as areas of PROSPERITY!!!!
Where do PROGRESSIVES look to as a means of organising the masses?
ANSWER: Where there is PROSPERITY and some EVIL SETH to blame!!!
PROGRESSIVISM IS NOT going to take a arid land and make it PROSPEROUS.
CF, I get you pointing out the progressives bitching and complaining; that is what they do. And GOPers do that whenever you say PRESIDENT OBAMA! In all seriousness, I think you've oversimplified the complex relationship that we have with Mexico via trade. You noted that we get a lot of produce imported from Mexico. But for whom is the produce being exported? In general are we dealing with small scale fair trade farm operations? OR international agribusiness? If the latter, the people are more than likely not going to be able to pull themselves up and leverage their land. Because some corporation OWNS or Leases that land and pays them pennies for working it. Not too different than what is happening in my neck of the woods; the Central Valley.
In concert with your localism spiel the other day (which I was feeling) how might you suggest that Mexicans take their power and better their lot? If things weren't so bad down there, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
[quote]how might you suggest that Mexicans take their power and better their lot? [/quote]
MR:
In Mexico, as will be seen in Detroit and other American cities that are pushing "urban farming", the first thing that they will have to do is to TAKE THEIR EYES OFF OF the "Index Of Capitalism" as they define what their desired Standard of Living is.
Urban Farming (or local farming) is a totally legitimate economic option. This world has a longer history of such "distribution of labor" than we do with long distance, international shipping.
The second part of this localization movement is the acceptance that these transactions are not going to generate the WEALTH that capitalism generates with reference to the fiat dollar.
Man is an creature of ENVY.
It matters not that the high quality land in Mexico "could potentially" produce the same abundance as does the land in Cali. The masses see all of the creature comforts of Cali and elsewhere and they want to live their life beyond that of a peasant that has to climb a tree to pick nectarines. This is even the case if it is for local consumption.
My recent visit to Cuba showed me that the main function of their closed boarder for emigration (exodus) is a necessary function to limit the visual scope of the human resources that you need focused upon WHAT IS IN FRONT OF THEM rather than lusting after what the world has to offer.
I ultimately try not to assign EVIL to one economic system over the other. Instead each system has its good points and bad. One good point about capitalism is its ability to generate a higher average wealth. One bad point is that it is going to have an imbalanced distribution of this wealth and lead to resentment. Mexico's challenge is to DO FOR SELF, making sure that it is a more economically viable nation with less corruption. Once that journey to the USA becomes more difficult due to guarded borders - they will have no choice but to print up the Post-Katrina t-shirts: "We All We Got".
RM, "I don't believe in tattling unless someone has been killed, raped or a child has been harmed. I refuse to be part of the gestapo against members of my community. So later for your authoritarian lectures."
You are the reason Street Pirates get away with their bad behavior. Coward!
PC, "The plural of vuvuzuela is amaVuvuzuela, and thus not 'Vuvuzuelas'.
[/irritating smart-ass pedantry]"
What a smart-ass! Get a life.
So, what's wrong with being smart?
What an ass-hole! Get an education.
I just wrote about Vince and the strip club deal... hey, we dealt with Pacman Jones here in Nashville, so we're just happy no one from Vince's entourage shot into a crowd or anything! Look for Jeff Fisher to say he is disappointed in Vince's behavior, but wants to withhold further comment until he's talked to Vince and gotten all of the facts...
The farthorns in South Africa, on the other hand, are horrible. Amavuvuzuela? Plural for vuvuzuela? Whatever they are, it's like being inside a hornets nest as its attacked by kids with rocks... beyond distracting, it's enough to make a soccer fan want to switch over to the Law and Order reruns (bonk bonk!)
PC
Thanks for the tip. The grammar, punctuation and spelling on blogs like this must keep the pedants busy.
Let's be honest, I've never heard the rhetoric extend to illegal Canadian immigrants, although there are a few of them too!
Canada is only a tenth of the population of the US and employment rates and the recession are not an issue in Canada as in the States.
HEY PURPLE COW!!!!
(I almost slipped up and called you "Purple ClOW". My bad)
I like your new avatar.
You say that Capitalism takes resources by use of force. This avatar has been used more frequently with "Socialism".
Is it your opinion that Capitalism involves more theft or that both systems are equally corrupt?
Which system do YOU presently live within?
[quote:C.F.Is it your opinion that Capitalism involves more theft or that both systems are equally corrupt?[/quote]
What do you mean by both systems?
[quote:C.F.]Which system do YOU presently live within?[/quote]
Depends if you are talking about a U.K. or European context.
The gap between rich and poor grew faster under New Labour (arguably the most right-wing administration since WW2) than under Margaret Thatcher, that trend is unlikely to be reversed under the new administration.
My hope is that European regulation will keep the worst excesses of neo-Liberalism under control.
Your position as an open borders guy is pretty untenable, Field. If you opened the borders up there's no doubt that millions of people would do whatever it takes to make it to this country. The vast majority of those people would be unskilled. Essentially you would flood the market with cheap labor. You'd make it that much easier for central and South American countries to offload their excess populations. Ultimately, the country itself would collapse under the weight.
"lower educated people have to compete with ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS!!!"
M. Rigmaiden,
That's the ultimate point. Of course most people on this blog are not low skilled, so they don't care. What they don't realize is that someday the children of all these immigrants will expect to be able to enter the middle class. It will be a rude awakening when they find that will be largely impossible for most of them. Already the hispanic population is very poorly educated in this country and only the very well educated will likely have much of chance in the future economy.
i HIGHLY doubt that mcdonald's is highering illegal immigrants.
just because someone's english is poor doesn't not mean they are here illegally. many people choose not to learn english when they come to america. it's a totally different mindset than immigrants had 100 a years ago.
when i meet someone, work with someone, talk to someone, meet their spouses, children, i never once consider whether they are here illegally. many independent contractors are here legally and simply aren't incorporated or are self-employed. like my daughter's math teacher. are they all illegal, too?
sounds like racial profiling, folks.
math tutor i meant.
Either you have to forcibly remove 10 to 15 million people from this country, which is impossible, Or you have to enact strict border controls while at the same time providing a path to citizenship for the immigrants that are here. This way, they can be made to pay taxes, which will partially cover the cost of the social services that they use, while at the same time, restoring wages to levels more in keeping with the markets when the "under the table" aspect is removed.
They are doing jobs that some of us won't do. Black and White alike.
The simple problem is that we want to take the easy way out, the intellectually lazy way out. All hispanics are illegal. All young black men are "street pirates". These thoughts, right or wrong, insulate us in our coccons of know-nothingness and wanton stupidity.
When you have a few people who think like this, you have a problem. When you have a lot of people who think like this, you have a Tea Party movement.
Consider this:
"There was a fever over the land. A fever of disgrace, of indignity, of hunger. We had a democracy, yes, but it was torn by elements within. Above all, there was fear. Fear of today, fear of tomorrow, fear of our neighbors, and fear of ourselves. Only when you understand that - can you understand what Hitler meant to us. Because he said to us: 'Lift your heads! Be proud to be German! There are devils among us. Communists, Liberals, Jews, Gypsies! Once these devils will be destroyed, your misery will be destroyed.' It was the old, old story of the sacrifical lamb. What about those of us who knew better? We who knew the words were lies, and worse than lies? Why did we sit silent? Why did we take part? Because we loved our country! What difference does it make if a few political extremists lose their rights? What difference does it make if a few racial minorities lose their rights? It is only a passing phase. It is only a stage we are going through. It will be discarded sooner or later. Hitler himself will be discarded... sooner or later. The country is in danger. We will march out of the shadows. We will go forward. Forward is the great password. And history tells how well we succeeded, your honor. We succeeded beyond our wildest dreams. The very elements of hate and power about Hitler that mesmerized Germany, mesmerized the world! We found ourselves with sudden powerful allies. Things that had been denied to us as a democracy were open to us now. The world said 'go ahead, take it, take it! Take Sudetenland, take the Rhineland — remilitarize it — take all of Austria, take it! And then one day we looked around and found that we were in an even more terrible danger. The ritual began in this courtoom swept over the land like a raging, roaring disease. What was going to be a passing phase had become the way of life. Your honor, I was content to sit silent during this trial. I was content to tend my roses. I was even content to let counsel try to save my name, until I realized that in order to save it, he would have to raise the specter again. You have seen him do it — he has done it here in this courtroom. He has suggested that the Third Reich worked for the benefit of people. He has suggested that we sterilized men for the welfare of the country. He has suggested that perhaps the old Jew did sleep with the 16-year-old girl, after all. Once more it is being done for love of country. It is not easy to tell the truth; but if there is to be any salvation for Germany, we who know our guilt must admit it... whatever the pain and humiliation."
Judgment at Nuremberg, 1961
Not much difference between these folks and the Far Right in this country.
Field, the open borders model relies on cooperation from the neighboring states. Right now, every US Citizen entering Canada is given a background check. If they have ever had a felony conviction, they can't enter much less live there. It's worse in Mexico and the people trying to migrate through Mexico to the US go through Hell to get there. They're raped and fined for thousands of miles
szpork
Shab-Azz, "So, what's wrong with being smart? What an ass-hole! Get an education."
Sorry to upset you Dr. Shab-azzhole. Do you and PC have a 'thing' going on? I really shouldn't call you "doctor", cause AB would never call you that.
Gregory, "PC
Thanks for the tip. The grammar, punctuation and spelling on blogs like this must keep the pedants busy."
Are you one of those pedants?
TSC, "When you have a few people who think like this, you have a problem. When you have a lot of people who think like this, you have a Tea Party movement."
The Tea Party Movement is a great movement of people who are exercising their rights. Left up to you, they would not be allowed to protest because they don't see things YOUR way.
TSC, "Judgment at Nuremberg, 1961
Not much difference between these folks and the Far Right in this country."
Oh, Pleeeze! Your mind is full of evil thoughts.
Field, do you really want to debate Angela? She is a pretty smart politician. How did you fare at your recent panel discussion?
a bit off topic but speaking of vuvuzelas or amavuvuzela.. glenn beck has said he hates the beautiful game. another reason why i love it. he's also compared the world cup to obama..the man truly is insane
"The Tea Party Movement is a great movement of people who are exercising their rights."
That much is true. I'm all for that. But......
Know what you're railing against.
Know what your talking about.
Most conservatives resort to the culture wars defense when they have no ideas on their side. Name one real idea that they have other than abolishing every agency that doesn't serve them or their interests, or being categorically against everything that President Obama does.
I been to a few Tea Party rallies here in SC. I can tell you that there is nothing about them that is analogous to a rebellion versus the tyranny of a King in another land. It's a bunch of assorted old people, on government assistance, railing on about the government simply because a black man is the head of it. Of course they can't say that, but that's the common thread among these folks. It's a bunch of old, selfish people who conveniently forget that they have put in the positions they are in by their predecessors, and they are too cowardly to do their fair share for the people who will come after them because too many of them will be brown. That's all the Tea Party is. A bunch of old, scared people.
If you ask them basic questions, about the U.S. Government, or the Constitution that they claim to revere so much, you discover that they are woefully uninformed about basic political ideas. They can't name all the supreme court justices, or the congressional delegation from their state, but they sure can tell you what they think socialism is.
P.S. They believe in dumb shit, like banning alcohol.
Anonymous said...
TSC, "When you have a few people who think like this, you have a problem. When you have a lot of people who think like this, you have a Tea Party movement."
The Tea Party Movement is a great movement of people who are exercising their rights. Left up to you, they would not be allowed to protest because they don't see things YOUR way.
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Just like that dude that got clocked in NC..
Sorry Maria I just had to
Maria, McDonalds and other businesses routinely hire anybody that will work for low wages. Many of these people are illegal and new immigrants. I mention the illegal status not from what I've heard but from what I KNOW. I have been out in the community on the South side of town where it is no secret that at least a quarter of all the residents ARE illegal. You may not live in an area where this is an issue but in the Central Valley of California, IT IS an issue and generally you can tell illegals because they are terrified of law enforcement and it is obvious.
Don't try to minimize someones personal experience and say its racial profiling when the obvious fact is that illegal workers are routinely hired in my neck of the woods and exploited for low wages.
When my parents were waiting for their house to be built, their home builder used UNION workers which meant they charged higher prices but their work was guaranteed and the citizenship of the union workers was legit. Right across the street another home builder had a generic McMansion development and they did NOT use Union workers; they refused to hire union workers and ONLY hired illegals. I went to the scene of a few houses for curiosity and not a word of English was spoken. The workers were paid far less than the union guys and you get what you pay for.
The workmanship on this one rotunda was so shotty, it had to be rebuilt a FEW times. This is what happens when construction companies are cheap and don't care about the long term; occasionally it can bite them in the ass. At least with the union workers there is a liability chain...not so with illegal workers.
And anonymous calling me a coward? Oh come on and get your head out of your ass. I am not an INS agent and I am not going to tattle on anyone. That isn't my job and frankly it isn't within my morals to try to ruin people like that.
when you apply at mcdonald's you have to show a social security card, right? i mean, speaking from your experience?
how can you tell an illegal from a legal? you see, that's what the whole fight in AZ is about.
RK--LOL!!
[quote]My hope is that European regulation will keep the worst excesses of neo-Liberalism under control.[/quote]
Purple Cow:
Why didn't you guys REGULATE the Government Entitlement Spending that has put so many nations over there in peril?
* UK
* Portugal
* Italy
* Greece
* Spain
= UPIGS
[quote] glenn beck has said he hates the beautiful game. another reason why i love it.[/quote]
Coffee/Cigs:
Its a good thing that evil/racist Glenn Beck did not say that he HATES people who jumps off of bridges.
HEY FILLED NEGRO!!!!
HEY FILLED NEGRO!!!!
HEY FILLED NEGRO!!!!
HEY FILLED NEGRO!!!!
HEY FILLED NEGRO!!!!
HEY FILLED NEGRO!!!!
Remember the John Gresham movie "A Time To Kill" with Samuel L Jackson? The Matthew McConaughey character set up a scenario about a father defending the honor of his daughter that was attacked?
The jolt to the "All White Jury" came at the end of his closing comments in which he said:
"JUST IMAGINE WHAT FILLED NEGRO WOULD DO IF THE YOUTUBE VIDEO BELOW WAS OF AN ELECTED REPUBLICAN ASSAULTING A YOUNG BOY".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oqIP9yagkQ
Field I feel you on the open borders idea. I believe that no one is illegal. But thats my position.
I wonder how folks who are the children of immigrants themselves would have preferred that the borders be closed before their parents could enter.
CF you are simplifying the reason that there is not much struggle going on in Mexico. There is a movement opposed to whats going on its just small and fairly underground since one of the characteristics of many poor third world capitalist countries is that they are lead by repressive and corrupt governments. And when they aren't straight up repressive or corrupt they hold a tight reign on civil liberties and make it very difficult to develop organized resistance.
I think MR also gave a good explanation of how big business and agribusiness operate in countries like Mexico. When she said this (ditto MR)
"In all seriousness, I think you've oversimplified the complex relationship that we have with Mexico via trade. You noted that we get a lot of produce imported from Mexico. But for whom is the produce being exported? In general are we dealing with small scale fair trade farm operations? OR international agribusiness? If the latter, the people are more than likely not going to be able to pull themselves up and leverage their land. Because some corporation OWNS or Leases that land and pays them pennies for working it. Not too different than what is happening in my neck of the woods; the Central Valley."
LA Audio said:
"This is why I think black people in America need to concern themselves with issues that more concern us as a people, and stop expending energy on others who need to deal with their own issues."
Are you suggesting that we as black folks shouldn't have an opinion about issues that are raised in the US unless they directly affect black folks?
I get where you are coming from but, do you really think that a lack of compassion for the plight of other folks is a good place for black folks to be?
CF said:
"My recent visit to Cuba showed me that the main function of their closed boarder for emigration (exodus) is a necessary function to limit the visual scope of the human resources that you need focused upon WHAT IS IN FRONT OF THEM rather than lusting after what the world has to offer"
CF sometimes you ought to stay with what you know. This is another one of your extraordinary lies. Cuba does not have a "no exit" policy I told you this before.
You are pretty smart you can look up the US policy toward Cuba. It is the US that limits the number of those who can emigrate through legal channels, thus forcing those who want to come to the US to take desperate and illegal measures.
And when they arrive here the US goes, 'Oh look at you poor Cubans running from oppression of course we will let you in'. Its called the wet foot dry foot policy. If the Cuban touches US soil he/she is allowed to stay.
Oddly the Haitian if he/she touches their black foot to US soil are deported. (of course they were granted temporary protected status during the quake, but dem days are over, its back to no blacks from Haiti allowed)
CF "Coffee/Cigs:
Its a good thing that evil/racist Glenn Beck did not say that he HATES people who jumps off of bridges."
ROFL...
@Mr. Field
You're right. The Lakers are hard to beat but I'd rather the Celtics go to LA one up than one down. And I think the Celtics have the antidote for Kobe; team basketball. Kobe doesn't understand what a team means.
Trapped in SC that Nuremberg quote was deep. I have tried to give the Tea Party folks the benefit of the doubt, but my encounters with most of them have not helped.
I was at a community meeting with a group of them and had to point out that their ideas were not at all useful in helping the solve the problem at hand. But it turned out that they were not really interested in bettering the community but chastising folks for their positions on homosexuality, abortion and even healthcare. They even tried to blame the entire foreclosure crisis on the homeowners. It was weird they really couldn't talk to the people about anything on a practical level that made sense to anyone.
I pointed out in the meeting when an actual debate broke out about the merits of Obama care and also universal health care. The Tea Party folks were opposed to any kind of regulated health care but I pointed out that the poor folks in the neighborhood really didn't care about ideology, but would not turn down universal health care and even Obamacare if they are able to sign up with going broke. That ended that conversation as everybody else broke into applause.
Val said...
@Mr. Field
You're right. The Lakers are hard to beat but I'd rather the Celtics go to LA one up than one down. And I think the Celtics have the antidote for Kobe; team basketball. Kobe doesn't understand what a team means.
Val and FN, say Word!! I watched the game last night and it looked like the Lakers fell apart unless Kobe put on his cape to save the day.
I think the Celtics will win in 7 because they understand that basketball is a team sport -- while the Lakers are simply a bunch of spectators watching Kobe pulling stunts.
MR,
I do think that the hiring of illegal Mexicans is dependent upon the locale.
Any retail job, including fast food chains, in Philly, you can expect to provide a birth certificate, Photo ID and give blood and urine. The only place where their might be someone illegal working would be busting or washing dishes in restaurants. They may be working in landscaping or housekeeping, but nowhere would you see them where they would handle money. There is an issue where other Hispanic Caribbean immigrants are stealing Puerto Rican birth certificates in order to enter the country illegally.
You noted about teenagers getting that first job at fast food places. The reason why there are not that man teenagers working at the places in the city is that the companies want adults. They want someone they can schedule anytime or call in at short notice.There are quite a few seniors working too.
LAC where is your faith? I think while I don't care much for Kobe I think he did what he had to last night. And it seems the Lakers have been playing team ball, but the rest of the team last night stood around and watched Kobe.
I think you have to give credit to the Celts they played it just right. Let Kobe and Gasol get theirs but limit everybody else.
Mellaneous, "I get where you are coming from but, do you really think that a lack of compassion for the plight of other folks is a good place for black folks to be?"
It might not be a good place for Blacks, but THAT'S EXACTLY where a lot of Blacks are. Look at what the Obama family has had to tolerate because they are Black. Does that make you feel like forgiving?
Some of the biggest racists I have ever met are Mexicans. They don't give a damn about Blacks and in fact, they discriminate against their own kind if they look to African. But hey, maybe we don't have enough people in A-merry-ca hating on us. Let's open the borders and let more in without a hitch like you and Field want.
You see, humans don't care for others unless other humans have cared for them. And folks ain't never cared for Blacks...including some Blacks. Just look at the Street Pirates. They are killing Blacks daily as if Blacks are throw-away lives...as if they are not human beings.
But hey, Mellaneous, if you have a formula on how to forgive while being insulted, despised, ripped off, and killed for generations, I am all ears. The Palestinians would like to know, also.
BTW, did you read BROTHER FIELD's comment about Israel? He shouted out loud that he fully supports what Israel is doing in the Gaza.
Please teach Field HOW to pray.
"JUST IMAGINE WHAT FILLED NEGRO WOULD DO IF THE YOUTUBE VIDEO BELOW WAS OF AN ELECTED REPUBLICAN ASSAULTING A YOUNG BOY".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oqIP9yagkQ
Definitely a 10-7 round for the Congressman! I especially liked the rear-naked-pimp-slap! And when he moved for the kamora!
mellaneous,
I'll go one step further. I just saw Obama's press conference in the gulf region. Immediately afterward, they had on one of the local mayors. He was incensed about the government response and wanted the Coast Guard to intervene, but within 10 seconds, he was saying that he wanted the federal government to "get out of the way".
Which is it. Do you hate the government only until you need it?
These were same folks that live in states that went overwhelming for candidates that were anti-government. Now they are BEGGING for it whenever a camera's not around, but the minute a reporter asks them a question on camera, they try to turn it into an indictment of Obama and go to great length not to criticize BP too much. Of course, they want to be compensated by BP, but they don't want BP to be pushed towards insolvency.
They are much more willing to see the end result of the oil spill as a government failure than the very occurrence of the spill itself being a failure of the private sector to safely be a steward of the environment.
Watch this funny ass shit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iQ7ZDUutU4
TSC, "Watch this funny ass shit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iQ7ZDUutU4"
That was a great commercial. It was moving and inspiring. He brought me out my depression. He will easily win.
"Also, they are raiding Sizzler Restaurants in Arizona. Why? Are the undocumented workers busting it in the kitchen going to make the steaks into weapons of mass destruction?"
LOL!!!!!!!! For that statement, Attorney Bennett, you are the FNOTY (field Negro of the YEAR :0) Nice, very nice line.
About our buddy Vince, I believe has was Valedictorian of the high school he attended (and the drum major on the band....I catch wind of things in, uhhhhhhh, "funny" ways). Anyway, all I have to say about that is "Magic wasn't the first, and he won't be the last."
Maria, you are naive. Haven't you heard of fake SSI cards? For God's sakes you used to could get them walking down market st in san francisco rather easily.
Now, if you work with the right people you can get all sorts of documents with watermarks and they look legitimate.
Hathor noted that folks were stealing Puerto Rican birth certificates, definitely an East Coast thing but applicable to what I'm talking about.
Hathor, in some parts of the Valley, they have illegals working in most service positions except at high end places. And your point is well taken about the fast food places and glad that you still see senior citizens working there in your neck of the woods.
The last few times I've gone to fast food, there was some diversity among ethnic groups but I didn't see any elderly people at all. And it used to be teenagers and retirees! Now it's immigrants whether illegal or not and high school dropouts.
Maria, since you are a journalist I trust you will do your research on this topic. Here is a start. Just on June third of this year a group of folks were busted because they had an interstate document forgery group.
Field said: "La~Audio, I disagree with you on this one. Two wrongs don't make a right. Just because there are ignorant immigrants who come to this country and buy into racism, doesn't mean that we should do the same thing to them."
That's the thing Field, some of them are not being racist. They are trying to secure a better place for themselves, and more so for their future generation in this racial American totem pole. They have their priorities of self preservation and self interest, a real goal. Nothing wrong with that right? So why can't black people, and black looking people in America concentrate on securing the same status and security before they worry about others who will eventually compete against them economically, academically and racially? That is all I am saying. If black people want to go out their way to help others who clearly have no vested interest in our betterment, make sure at least we are first in a better place for ourselves. And at least make sure there will be reciprocation from others after we lift them up on our bare backs in good faith.
If only more black people/black Americans would put this much energy and concern in helping dark skinned illegal/immigrant Haitians and Africans to stay and thrive in America. Yeah right, LoL. The hypocrisy is staggering. These groups of black people get sent back on a daily basis without so much of an outcry from Mexicans, South Americans, Asians and even black Americans/black immigrants.
Furthermore, Mexicans and South Americans have better support systems and productive organizations right here in America to represent them, they don't need you all, LoL. Get a clue people, before I too start ranting about the deadly street pirates, our internal vices, and our low academic scores etc etc.
Mell said: "Are you suggesting that we as black folks shouldn't have an opinion about issues that are raised in the US unless they directly affect black folks?"
Of course we should have an opinion, I just shared mine.
"I get where you are coming from but, do you really think that a lack of compassion for the plight of other folks is a good place for black folks to be?"
Why in tarnation do some people still act as if black people OWE somebody a favor??? I mean really. The only place and mind-set the "happy helping" negroes in America need to be in right now, is called Quid Pro Quo. If you can't understand that, then mind your business and go tutor and mentor some disadvantaged black youth somewhere and prepare him/her for the Latin Boom to come.
Wheel bend, story end.
i'm not naive. i am aware of forged IDs. i never said this didn't happened. i don't need to do any research. i haven't made any claims that have been challenged.
but you flat out stated that you KNEW people were illegal immigrants who'd been hired, and i asked how you knew other than that they didn't speak english.
i don't think you've added anything to support your statement. and i stand by what i said, which also was repeated by hathor.
Maria, I don't need to justify anything to you. Since your reading comprehension is lacking, let's just end this conversation. I already stated that personally I deal with people with questionable citizenship. No need to delve further into my personal experiences.
Stop trying to start something with me. I don't have the time.
LA, "...That is all I am saying. If black people want to go out their way to help others who clearly have no vested interest in our betterment, make sure at least we are first in a better place for ourselves. And at least make sure there will be reciprocation from others after we lift them up on our bare backs in good faith.
If only more black people/black Americans would put this much energy and concern in helping dark skinned illegal/immigrant Haitians and Africans to stay and thrive in America. Yeah right, LoL. The hypocrisy is staggering. These groups of black people get sent back on a daily basis without so much of an outcry from Mexicans, South Americans, Asians and even black Americans/black immigrants."
You are very very very right. In fact, you have laid out the solution in very clear terms what is needed for Blacks as a race to survive. Without it, we remain fractured and fragmented, which eventually is leading to our doom, imo.
What bothers me deeply about our race- is that Blacks continue to ignore this age old unchanging truth, and still go about helping others but ignore how desperately we need to help ourselves.
We are 'willing' to help illegal aliens, mainly the Mexicans- WHO ARE SOME OF THE BIGGEST RACISTS ON THE PLANET- but we 'LACK the WILL' to stop Street Pirates who are terrorizing and murdering Black brothers and sisters everyday.
What does that say about us? Who in their right mind would do that? Blacks..that's who. But don't think for a minute Mexicans or anybody else in this country is going sacrifice themselves for us.
Why should they when we continue to prove over and over again, that we lack the will to help ourselves?
Let me stop. LA, you hit the nail on the head and it burns me up...sorry.
here's what you said:
"I'm old enough to recall when getting a job at McDonald's was in the purview of teenagers and retirees. Now it's almost always illegal immigrants. Sometimes they don't have enough English proficiency to take an order! The illegal immigrants do a lot of work that kids used to do and take pride in their ability to earn some pocket change with their 'soda water' jobs, as my Grandparents call them.
Along with the hiring of illegal immigrants in service jobs and agriculture, there are no manufacturing jobs available at all so lower educated people have to compete with ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS!!!"
and:
"Maria, McDonalds and other businesses routinely hire anybody that will work for low wages. Many of these people are illegal and new immigrants. I mention the illegal status not from what I've heard but from what I KNOW."
i'm not trying to "start" anything. all i asked was how you knew they were illegal since you said you "KNOW". i guess you can't really say.
Maria, "but you flat out stated that you KNEW people were illegal immigrants who'd been hired, and i asked how you knew other than that they didn't speak english."
Yeah, well that is proof enough in America. Illegal aliens are spewing across our borders like the oil spewing into the Gulf and you want to minimize the problem? Get real, Maria.
[quote]I have tried to give the Tea Party folks the benefit of the doubt, but my encounters with most of them have not helped.
I was at a community meeting with a group of them and had to point out that their ideas were not at all useful in helping the solve the problem at hand.[/quote]
Mellaneous:
In all seriousness man I have a question for you.
DO YOU THINK that you could ever pen the very same message after you had a meeting with the "Least Of These" people in your community? You documenting THEIR ulterior motives in their politicking?
I have to give credit to my good friend Filled Negro who last week told us about his "Noisy Negro" moment with people who turned out to be "down wit the cause" but only if it didn't cause them to miss their nail appointment with a Korean OR game 6 of the NBA Finals.
With all due respect I can't see you going to a "Tea Party Meeting" but for any other reason than to reinitiate the COINTELPro operation on behalf of "NetRoots" or "Organizing for America/Obama"
hey no_slappz, how ya doing!
did i say we didn't have an immigration problem? nope. but the fact is, illegal immigration has actually declined in recent years, not increased. racial profiling, ala RM and AZ, are up.
http://www.cis.org/trends_and_enforcement
http://immigration.about.com/b/2010/02/11/undocumented-immigrant-numbers-decline.htm
Fake IDs like these:
http://www.withintheblackcommunity.com/videos/Illegal%20Alien%20Paycheck%20Schemers.flv
Maria, "did i say we didn't have an immigration problem? nope. but the fact is, illegal immigration has actually declined in recent years, not increased. racial profiling, ala RM and AZ, are up."
Oh I see. Since illegal immigration has declined in recent years(by your research), we should open our borders to everybody. Right?
You need to lay off the sauce.
You are trying to start conflict and I don't like it. If you read what I wrote before, you'd see I have personal experience with people who have questionable citizenship. I cannot state whether they are illegal or not because this is a public forum.
Do some more research and put on your journalist hat because if you lived where I live, you'd understand the problem because it'd be staring you in the face every time you left the house.
And racial profiling? You must be out of your mind! Acknowledging the truth is a far cry different from racial profiling.
you said you knew people at mcdonalds were "almost always" illegals. you have no proof. you ASSUME they are because they can't speak english well enough in your opinion.
THAT is the definition of racial profiling.
again, i'm not denying anything. and you have no idea what i see where i live.
[quote]It is the US that limits the number of those who can emigrate through legal channels, thus forcing those who want to come to the US to take desperate and illegal measures.[/quote]
Mellaneous:
I take it that you never allow REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE ever trump the times when you DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
Think about it Mellaneous - ME walking along the road and sea wall that skirts the northern coast of the island. As we are walking we see this ONE COMPOUND that is surrounded by a 10 foot tall IRON FENCE. Guards are placed every 20 feet apart, standing at attention in the sweltering heat.
"What is so special about that building?", we evil imperialists ask ourselves. "It must be the presidential palace where Fidel lives".
A few blocks down we get into what amounts to be a motorcycle with a hard shell back for the passengers to sit in. We go back up the street.
The driver asks "Do you know what that building is?"
"ITS THE US EMBASSY"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mellaneous - the Yoda-like character who knows it all!!! The guards were not to KEEP THE EVIL AMERICANS INSIDE THE BUILDING so they cannot commit espionage against the (Permanent) Revolution!!!!
The guards were there to keep CUBANS who thought about making a dash for American soil that the embassy is considered in Havana OUT!!!
As IF there is an open exodus policy in Cuba. Please!
Why don't they vacate for Jamaica or Cayman or elsewhere?
WHY did every airport embarkment and disembarkment feel like I was passing through a Soviet checkpoint in the old East Germany since they are so free and open?
Anony said: 'What does that say about us? Who in their right mind would do that? Blacks..that's who. But don't think for a minute Mexicans or anybody else in this country is going sacrifice themselves for us. "
Exactly. Thank you.
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