Thursday, July 01, 2010

A diss, the "N" word, and folks behaving badly.


Mrs. Field and I were at a very high end store in the King Of Prussia Mall once, and the clerk in the store (one of my cousins) told us a very interesting story: Seems that some folks would come in and use their welfare debit cards to buy certain items. (handbags) And before you say; "field, either you or the clerk is lying, they can only buy food with those cards." Think again. At first that's what I thought as well, but here in Pistolvania, that is not necessarily the case.

Now I mention that story because of what has apparently been happening out in Cali. Seems that folks out there have been using their welfare debit cards to gamble. Yep, gamble. Now I am not like one of those evil conservatives who do not believe that folks deserve a helping hand. I do. And when folks hit hard times the government should be there to give them a helping hand. Just like it does when certain big banks and corporations need bailouts. But gambling? Oh lawd help us!

And speaking of help: folks, what kind of sick individual does this? (h/t Gwell) Hey, I am just putting it out there, because I honestly cannot comment on it tonight.

Finally, I do want to comment on the little dust up between Aaron McGruder and Tyler Perry. First, a disclaimer: I met McGruder, and I liked him. And, I am a fan of his work. I never met Perry, and although I don't have a problem with him like some folks, I am no big fan of his work.

Having said that; I am not sure if it was cool for McGruder to diss Perry the way that he did. (Although I am not sure if the motives that some folks are ascribing to the diss is true.) There are plenty of folks that he could be dissing besides his partner in corporate crime. And, as for Perry; he needs to lighten up (no pun intended) just a little. When you are large like that people are going to take shots at you, it comes with the turf. And when you think it's getting too hard for you to deal with, just start counting your money; I promise you that you will feel a little better when you are through. (h/t Jason)

I know I said finally up above, but I have one more thing to say: Once again a famous person has been exposed for using a word in private that they would never dare say in public or around decent company. (Unless, of course, they were posting on this blog) That's alright, Mel. So you used the N word. Hey, you didn't use it around a black person, so at least you know the rules.

(h/t Sharon)

Now I am out.





85 comments:

sams said...

field, bro you got somethin to share, you blog a lot about penises and gays...man it's cool if you wanna quit hidin behind the mrs fields thing (cause we all know she's a chic wif a dick). just saying man, we all not from jamaica so we don't all hate on you gays. it must be hard coming out and being from the jamaica. peace man, we wif ya.

Val said...

I saw the Boondocks episode. I'm not a fan of the TV Boondocks (not a fan of the N word) but that was hilarious! And so on point. Tyler Perry is nothing but a modern day minstrel and he needs to be called out as much as possible.

And is anyone surprised the Mel Gibson uses the N word?

Carlos said...

I bet Danny Glover is wondering what the hell is up. And comments about a man's wife will get you killed where I'm from...I'm just sayin'

hennasplace said...

I have to see the episode, I lost track of the Boondocks TV because the air date keep changing. I like Aaron McGruder's satire, and his use of the word nigger is fine within the context of the show. I do not use myself until in it is a discussion forum such as this There is also the matter of free speech. I think saying or writing "N" word gives it too much credence. I am not for banning anyone for using the word including banning books because some people are uncomfortable. Best way to deal with something is to confront and fact it. It is reason why McGruder uses the word nigger in his comic strip and show, the word is used everyday and it is going to disappear because many African American use it frequently.

I think McGruder has a right parody Tyler Perry on his because he does with everyone else including famous rapper and other entertainers. I think Tyler Perry is modern day minstrel and his movies are not thought-provoking because there was not a lot of thought put into his films in the first place. Spike Lee made better films because you did walk with something to think about. The reality is many black people will not see such films like Bamboozled or Get on the Bus because there are issues within the films we do not like to deal with. However, people will pay money to see Madea in a car chase with the police. Tyler Perry will continue to make those films as long as people will run to the movies to them. I went to see Just Wright, but I am telling not a lot of us did not support that film because it only grossed $21,241,068. I am afraid of what Perry is going to do with the upcoming film out of his studio "For Colored Girls Who Considered Suicide When the Rainbow is Enuf". Although, Whoopi Goldberg did sign on to act in the film, but wished he gotten the playwright to write the screenplay and Casi Lemons (Eve's Bayou Director) to direct the film instead of Tyler doing. It is my hope he does not butcher that play was it is a great play, but I still cringe. We the public have to support better films and producers will produce excellent films.

La♥audiobooks said...

Ok wait a minute, LOL. So now we are supposed to get upset because Tyler, a black man, has a preference for light skin brothers? LOL. Do these same somebodys get upset about all those light skinned black women casting preferences by all those black male producers and others?

(And no I am not dark skinned with a dark skin complex. Let me stop before the thin skinned abused housewife with the vaginal itch attacks me for no reason.)

I kind of have mix feelings about Tyler, at times I think he also tries to give back a little bit of positivity, even after he does his damage.

You know, I am not surprised about that jilted washed up Gibson. What do you expect from a has-been man who always looks like he's in need of a good dirt and Rosacea scrubbing.

As for those demented waste of humanity raping that poor 10 year old girl (I wish their mothers had terminated them from day one), I am going to hold off on my ranting for now. I need to get some pleasant sleep tonight.

LACoincidental said...

This episode had me on floor laughing, McGruder pulls no punches.

The fact that Perry's in a huff shows just how immature and suspect he is. Come on, McGruder & Co. has dissed gangster rappers (especially 50 Cents) and BET. The man pulls no punches. He's like Bill Maher, Dennis Miller (Back in the day when he was funny and not a Rush wannabe), PJ O'Rourke and David Chappelle -- he's an intelligent, hip, social satirist who doesn't really care what sacred cow he destroys.

Race Traitoress said...

I'm not a big fan of TV Boondocks either; I always thought McGruder was masterful in his use of understatement in the comic strip but the show seemed much more heavy handed.

kid said...

"I went to see Just Wright, but I am telling not a lot of us did not support that film because it only grossed $21,241,068."
_____________________________________

That's $21,241,068.00 more than Rupert Murdoch needed. Yes it was a Fox film. Common and Queen Latifah should have known that.

Basically black people are being held hostage by Tyler, they won't greenlight a "real" black movie.Tyler's movies are basically a Gospel play, nothing more. It's not like it's "School Days" or "Do The Right Thing".

Smashed The Tiny Black Box said...

I took the infamous Boondocks episode to be more of a commentary on the absurdity of the Black Conservative Christian Community spending good money on Perry's Madea movies, (a man acting in drag) while voting down gay rights. Hence the song "It's ok to cross dress..."

I guess Perry could be upset because it "points out" his cross dressing, something typically associated with the gay community, to his conservative base and also hints it the possible true nature of his sexual identity.
.
..but hey, in traditional Japanese theater, European opera in previous centuries, and Shakespeare the women's roles were filled by men.

Again, I personally have no issue with anyone's sexuality. I know that gay folks can be Christians. Some people find this thought to be scandalous.

As for Mel, McGruder and everyone else this applies to....

Not a fan of any "artist," "elder" or "community member," especially a member of the conscious community, that uses the N word. You can put a "a" on the end to replace the "er." The word is the same. Like jail and gaol. Color and Colour. I have no respect or love for anyone who chooses to be willfully ignorant of that word's history and meaning. Don't give me that garbage about "we're taking our word back" or "sanitizing the meaning." Excuse my language, but BULLSHIT. You loathe yourself and believe the lies of inherent inferiority and ugliness. You mistreat yourself, your family, your friends, other members of your race, and especially your ancestors whose identity was erased by savages who did not care if your forebears were Muslim, Christian, Jewish, pagan, atheist, educated, city dweller, farmer, Ibo, Yoruba etc., They chained them together, stripped of identity, clothes and culture them, and perverted the Spanish or Latin word for Black. That was the label! That's the only way those intellectually lazy heathens bothered to label our brothers and sisters.

Every ugly stereotype ...cowardly....lazy...stupid...ignorant...whorish...immoral....cheat...thief...lascivious...is attached to that beloved "N" word too many of you use easier than the words please and thank you. Shame.

Pls. excuse any mistakes...I'm tired, but needed to say this.

kid said...

STTBB

It does seem like Perry "pimps" his Christian Conservative audience to make money just like Donnie McGurkin. That being said, it is kind of cold for McGruder to "out" him like that. Openly people have been questioning Perry's sexual identity.When he plays a male role in a movie , it's not as credible as when he plays Medea.

Cocoa_Goddess said...

Aaron McGruder has been on a tear lately, that's for sure. I did feel like the Tyler Perry parody was a bit over the top and meaner than his usual parodies (except maybe the BET parody). Tyler Perry gets crap for his work, but did Soul Plane get the same flack? What about BAPS? That being said, The Kickball episode and "Smoking With Cigarettes" were great!

That being said, it is kind of cold for McGruder to "out" him like that.

Kid, I agree with you 100%. Outing people is not cool at all

Mel Gibson has drank himself into a permanent stupor - I'm thinking a full-fledged alcoholic induced mood disorder. After his drunken rant about Jews almost dies down, he messed up again. He terribly insults his ex-girlfriend by calling her a c**t and then uses the N-word. I'll bet his ex-wife is feeling like she dodged a bullet (probably literally) when she left him. I thought Mel was supposed to be a Christian. He needs Jesus!

field negro said...

"And comments about a man's wife will get you killed where I'm from...I'm just sayin'"

sams, do you live in Philly?
I have some people who would love to meet you. Wait...let me check that ip address again; I might want to meet you myself. "If you want something done right..." Tell you what; since you know who and where I am, why don't you reach out to me? We can get it on for charity.

"You know, I am not surprised about that jilted washed up Gibson. What do you expect from a has-been man who always looks like he's in need of a good dirt and Rosacea scrubbing."

Ouch!


"Mel Gibson has drank himself into a permanent stupor - I'm thinking a full-fledged alcoholic induced mood disorder. After his drunken rant about Jews almost dies down, he messed up again. He terribly insults his ex-girlfriend by calling her a c**t and then uses the N-word. I'll bet his ex-wife is feeling like she dodged a bullet (probably literally) when she left him. I thought Mel was supposed to be a Christian. He needs Jesus!"

Ouch again!


La~audio, I co-sign about those two scumbags. :(

Constructive Feedback said...

Not sure if it is BIGOTRY or IGNORANCE in some people.

[quote]That's $21,241,068.00 more than Rupert Murdoch needed. Yes it was a Fox film. Common and Queen Latifah should have known that.[/quote]

Damn I wish "Thinks Like A Kid" would look up the record company that stands behind:

* Young Jeezy
* TI
* Other rappers that threaten to murder any Black person that "steps to them"

and works aggressively to deny them blood money.


[quote]It does seem like Perry "pimps" his Christian Conservative audience to make money just like Donnie McGurkin.[/quote]

WHAT are the attributes of this BLACK CHRISTIAN CONSERVATIVE audience "Thinks Like A Kid"?

Are they

1) Hosting Sarah Palin at their church?

2) Rallied AGAINST Barack Obama?

Some of you can't see that REGARDLESS of the INCUMBENT POWER that the "Black Quasi-Socialist Progressive Fundamentalist Racism Chaser" cabal has over our community - SOME PEOPLE will draw into their own bigotry and hatred as they point to THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO DON'T THINK LIKE THEM as the problem with our community.

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]I took the infamous Boondocks episode to be more of a commentary on the absurdity of the Black Conservative Christian Community spending good money on Perry's Madea movies, (a man acting in drag) while voting down gay rights.[/quote]

Smashed:

* So Flip Wilson, Martin Lawrence, Eddie Murphy, Richard Pryor and Wesley Snipes all were executing secret "Homosexual Indoctrination Conspiracies" as THEY ALL played a part where they dressed in DRAG?

It is interesting that if you were to draw a circle to represent the Black population and then draw a circle INSIDE of that first circle to represent these "Black CONSERVATIVE Christian Hypocrites" that you speak of that the area OUTSIDE OF the inner circle representing the other parts of the Black Community would STILL take up more than 90% of the space.

Despite this fact - as we look at all of the OTHER pressing problems that our community faces and compared to the MESSAGES that are propagated about them - we will NEVER hear YOU label this misalignment as HYPOCRISY.

For you HYPOCRISY is an attribute of your ideological adversaries only.

Why don't you talk about how Black talk radio was debating "Obama vs McChrystal" last week BUT FAILED to note the DEAD AFGHANIS that have been rendered as.......what did he say "As the general FOLLOWED MY ORDERS as Commander In Chief"?


In the masturbatory effort to go after the conservative adversary's hypocrisy so much of your own gets overlooked.

Constructive Feedback said...

Some important notes:

1) Every time the word "Nigga" is said on "The Boondocks" some SOUTH KOREAN cartoon animator had to sync the character's lips with Regina King's vocalization of this word that is so offensive to Blacks.....depending on WHO says it.

2) The paper yesterday told of Tyler Perry's efforts to get Turner Broadcasting to "make things right with him". Turner produces Perry's shows and it owns "The Cartoon Network" where "The Boondocks" runs. It goes to show you that IF AN "OFFENDED PARTY" is truly OFFENDED - they can go to the company that "green lighted" the project and have something done. IF ONLY the establishment did the same regarding the ignorance of "Hip Hop Voice Of The Street Pirates".

3) The Season Premier which had the "Dick-riding Obama" video was the tops. McGruder - a LEFTY - sees through the empty "self-chumming" that was orchestrated by operatives within the Black community and called it out. He pointed to the LYNCH MOB mentalist cast against anyone who failed to worship everything about Obama and the crazy expectations they had.
After that episode McGruder has been hit or miss. McGruder should stay focused on the hard hitting social commentary. The "fear of being anally raped" bit is getting a bit worn out.

4) Tyler Perry is now a FAR MORE PROFICIENT PRODUCER than is that hater SPIKE LEE. While I agree with the senselessness of the Madea character her has a franchise of other shows and movies in which "she" does not appear in. (The "Married" series of movies, for example).
Despite it all - the seats are always full as there is a gap between what the community "hates on" but what they prove they want to see per the DOLLARS SPENT.

4b) "Ahkelah And The Bee" and "Pride" (movie about swim team in Philly) were critically acclaimed movies putting Blacks in a good light but failed to gain blockbuster status BECAUSE they didn't tap into that which proves appealing to the audience (which Perry is delivering upon) but many are ashamed to admit (otherwise known as the "Chicken Bone Circuit" / "Chitterlings Circuit" )

Smashed The Tiny Black Box said...

CF,



t is interesting that if you were to draw a circle to represent the Black population and then draw a circle INSIDE of that first circle to represent these "Black CONSERVATIVE Christian Hypocrites" that you speak of that the area OUTSIDE OF the inner circle representing the other parts of the Black Community would STILL take up more than 90% of the space.

Is that why the illegitimate baby rate is allegedly at an all time high? They/we/90% of us all must be snoozing though those sermons on fornication, adultery and whoremongering X)

Just because you say you're a Christian doesn't mean you are. I'd hardly call most of the black community "Conservative Christian." The majority MAY loosely identify with Christianity...but I'll leave it alone for now.

Who is the target market for Perry? Black women ages 25-60 with some sort of non-Cathlolic and non Mormon religious Christian leaning... These ladies are yukking it up at Perry's work.

Most of the churches are filled with women...not men, or at least not many under age 50. I would think that for young men, with all males about 49% of the population, to be counted as a Christian Conservative...they would have to go to a church or something. No. Not 90%



* So Flip Wilson, Martin Lawrence, Eddie Murphy, Richard Pryor and Wesley Snipes all were executing secret "Homosexual Indoctrination Conspiracies" as THEY ALL played a part where they dressed in DRAG?

To a Christian Conservative or Fundamentalist...the answer to your question is yes... Larger conspiracy or agenda... definitely. What and why? I'll leave it to you to investigate their line of thinking on this topic.

Now CF...don't jump to the conclusion that I'm a fundie or prairie muffin.


Even from a non religious point of view it is easy to see that Hollywood is no friend to black men.


A reference for you to ponder...The King James Bible States :

Deu 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so [are] abomination unto the LORD thy God.

A double standard for religious conservatives, no? They really should be burning their tellys coz even Flip Wilson is scandalous ( not to mention degrading to black women) Since the religious and social conservatives are still laughing, is it now ok cross dress?



Rambling a bit...really tired...my bad.

Smashed The Tiny Black Box said...

OK, CF,
as a film buff and screen writer ( aspiring of sorts), I have to take issue with your view of Spike Lee.

Do the right thing...bamboozled... if you mean hater of white people...I'd disagree. Malcolm X had to be taken in context and DTRT and Bamboozled was a very ugly portrait of the some (many) of community's mentality. People won't come to appreciate him until he is gone.

4b) I saw one of those. No doubt that I rather take the kids to see those rather than Soul Plane. But they'll see none of these films until they are older with discernment skills. Look deeper. There are hidden negative, permissive social messages for black kids in these seemingly "positive" films i.e. no clear winner in ATB, share with the son a racist to make a better day. Wait...you can get your's another day.

"Oh sure, you're crazy. There no hidden social messages." Disagree if you wish. Movies and tv influence us even if we don't know it.

Show some respect for the chitterling circuit. They were there when folks could sit where they want in a theater or had no admittance at all....let alone place FOR US.

Yes the Dick riding Obama was funny and true.

uptownsteve said...

STTBB

"Just because you say you're a Christian doesn't mean you are. I'd hardly call most of the black community "Conservative Christian." The majority MAY loosely identify with Christianity...but I'll leave it alone for now."

Ain't that the truth.

Black folks and God. A complicated relationship for sure.

After attending the Million Man March I got involved with the Alliance of Concerned Black Men in the DC area and did counselling and referrals for former offenders and drug addicts.

You would not believe how many of these admitted rapists, assaulters, and attempted murderers would reference their belief in God and how God "works through them."

One dude told me that "Even if I say FUCK YOU, that's God talking."

alicia banks said...

fn:

i adore am!!!

and i love tp too
and i love his films
i also love spike lee

and am has NEVER lied on hobama or tp...the truth hurts even in a toon...

happy 4th of u lie!
we have a blackish prez
and yet we are more enslaved to poverty and crime and religion than ever b4...shame!!!

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/video/6a0123ddb39306860b0123de3438ab860d.html

chicago dyke said...

nope, no apology, attention or explanation from me. sorry, i just don't care. poor people gaming the system? so what. the MIC, the banksters, the endless wars, the oil mobsters... big corporations are the ones costing us money, you and me. real money. let's focus on them, and shutting down their trillion dollar rackets. every poor person in America could steal $10,000 a year from the government, and it would still cost us trillions less.

alicia banks said...

cd:

ditto!!!

i am so repulsed by how the small time gamers can owe IRS $1000.00 and go to jail....small timers can pay casinos that always win MORE money than they ever pay out... let poor people be like all the other suckers who throw away cash at casinos yet cause no such outcries...

hobama and his banksters can rob us all of BILLIONS and we adore him incessantly...enron execs can retire on yachts while their elderly employees live in homeless shelters until they die and no one says a word....

rich people have gone buck wild on america...it is time the poor join in!!!!

chicago dyke said...

reading the comments, heh, clearly sometimes i really should click the links. :-)

Who is the target market for Perry? Black women ages 25-60 with some sort of non-Cathlolic and non Mormon religious Christian leaning... These ladies are yukking it up at Perry's work.

DING DING DING! we have a winner, Folks.

i have never seen a Tyler Perry media product. you probably think i'm a freak, but it's true. i don't watch TV or go to most corporate american movies. i think i know who he is, and have seen a few ads for his shows when i'm at a friend's house and the TV is on.

but television is, very simply, mind control and propaganda. you probably think it's about ad revenue, but it's not even about that anymore. /insert long political and economic explanation here/ television is, today, about putting ideas in your head and getting you to agree with the opinions and behaviors your masters want you to have. any person, black or otherwise, who appears on television is chosen. for the express purpose of controlling the minds of one or another social group. perry speaks to black religious women over 25? well, guess what? who are the most regular voters in black america.

exactly. so whatever Perry is telling those women, you can bet that some white rich man wants them to think it. perry knows this and doesn't care, also.

alicia banks said...

cd:

i agree

and i hate tv and commercials

i am a film buff who lives on dvds
in my own living rm

but the reason i adore tyler's films is:

i do not see guns and drugs

i see educated successful black people in lovely homes

i see black love

i see many ideal feminist roles

i see people of all skin tones

i see positive morality plays

some of the best soundtracks in the world
i am addicted to music
music is my escape from the world

etc

these alone make me adore tyler p
i will always be a fan

i adore am MOST and respect his differing opinions as he is a chi town homeboy rebel who despises hobama as i do!!

Moi said...

Now I mention that story because of what has apparently been happening out in Cali. Seems that folks out there have been using their welfare debit cards to gamble. Yep, gamble.

Yup, yup...I was sittin' in a gov't training when they first told us that shit. The WTF? moment which followed was epic.

Don said...

Aaron McGruder definitely drew blood when he called out Tyler Perry. As much as Perry has been called out over the last couple years it's a wonder that it took The Boondocks episode to stir the coals.

Good point @ Tyler Perry should count his money and perhaps feel much better. That always helps.


I really didn't get upset with Mel Gibson using the N-word. Why? I hear it every day from people the same skin color as I.

EBT cards are the devil.

alicia banks said...

am and i use the word nigger because it expertly describes so many people of all races who still exist...

i am not offended by the word

i am deeply offended by the people it so very accurately describes...

and i bought the DVDs because i am convinced that the few decent tv shows that do exist are deliberately sabotaged by racist execs who want tv to be mindless fodder for drones

am is too deep and political and rebellious etc...so his show is constantly bounced around to frustrate his fans and keep people watching the moronic shows that keep the stable time slots....shame!!!

i will buy all
they are all classics to me

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Ddvd&field-keywords=boondocks

alicia banks said...

and i find NO mere word as offensive as real ills ie:

ignorance

absentee bio parents

hatred

delusion

denial

poverty

illiteracy

hypocrisy

etc....

Shabazz said...

sams said...

field, bro you got somethin to share, you blog a lot about penises and gays...man it's cool if you wanna quit hidin behind the mrs fields thing (cause we all know she's a chic wif a dick). just saying man, we all not from jamaica so we don't all hate on you gays. it must be hard coming out and being from the jamaica. peace man, we wif ya.

You stupid hick, when did you hear field talk about penises in this post? It appears to me that you seem to be overly engrossed with the male member you faggot. Watch your fucking mouth I happen to be a Jamaican and I don't roll like that.
Run along now, go back behind your trailer and finish fucking your goat!

Eddie said...

I saw the Tyler Perry episode and it had me dying laughing like all the Boondocks episodes this season. I mean the Rocky Horror Picture Show dance number still has me rolling anytime I think about it. The thing is that it's it's true.

So let me get this straight: a grown man puts on women's clothing to present a powerful, Christian message which always seem to be that a black woman should get the great man she deserves. I give Perry credit because at the end of the day, he knows how to talk to his audience and his shows are entertaining, but I leave it there instead of taking an ultimate truth from it. If he's mad, he needs to just get over himself.

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]Is that why the illegitimate baby rate is allegedly at an all time high? They/we/90% of us all must be snoozing though those sermons on fornication, adultery and whoremongering X)
[/quote]

Smashed:

Please allow me to articulate 2 points of clarification.


1) It appeared that you were seeking to make an indictment against "Christian CONSERVATIVES" - that magical force that apparently has so much power that people like UptownSteve and BETUncut talk more about them than they do the Black folks with real and enumerated power within our community per their popular standing.

MORE IMPORTANTLY:

2) When I see someone self-identify with a group yet FALL SHORT of some standard - instead of using this individual's failure as a means of a global indictment of the group - I look at the GROUP and scrutinize the group's effort to MANAGE the individual and the group back toward its PRINCIPLES.

It is MANAGEMENT/GOVERNANCE that is our problem in this society. NO HUMAN BEING IS PERFECT. (Run some naked booty by a male on the sly and there is a good chance that he is going to 'bite'. :-) )

At the same time it is up to the GROUP to uphold its integrity by managing all who claim to be apart of it back toward a certain standard. The CREDIBILITY of the organization rests on these processes - NOT the number of "hypocrites" that have sinned.

In turn some groups of people pride themselves in having FEW STANDARDS that they hold those who identify under their banner to. Instead they are free to go out and "Hypocrite Chase", carrying out their main sport of Indictment Rendering.

The state of "freedom from rules" is ANARCHY - not FREEDOM.

Ironically some of these "Black Conservative Christian" churches that people like to point out as hypocrites are compromised BECAUSE they have one foot IN on their doctrine and the other foot OUT because they have responded to political correctness.

In short it is their CRITICS who demanded that they LIBERALIZE and these these same CRITICS attack them as they see people within this group that are soiling the integrity of the group.

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Constructive Feedback said...

Whoa there Chicago Dyke - you made a hefty logical leap there. I want to make sure that I can span it before I jump to the other side with you.

[quote]** perry speaks to black religious women over 25? well, guess what?

**who are the most regular voters in black america.

**exactly. so whatever Perry is telling those women, you can bet that some white rich man wants them to think it.
[/quote]

I get the sense out of you that Tyler Perry (and every other BLACK entertainment operative) is INFERIOR to the whims of this amorphous RICH WHITE MAN that he is employed to do the bidding of.

* NO MATTER how many millions and movie productions studios Perry owns (right behind Greenbriar Mall in the ATL)

* NO MATTER that JayZ was an ENTERTAINMENT EXECUTIVE and is worth more than $300M

* Same thing with Jermaine Dupree - except with less cash

* "LA" Reid - President of a label

NONE OF THESE BLACK PEOPLE will EVER, EVER, EVER be EQUAL to that WHITE RICH MAN who calls the shots REGARDLESS of how much money their BLACK AZZES have as their net worth.

I do wonder one thing though - since these Black women DO VOTE, as you say, and they too voted in record number for OBAMA - with all of the campaign commercials, bumper stickers and t-shirts at the urban malls with Obama's picture on it DO YOU THINK that this was a "mind control" exercise in the same way that you speak of in your post?

Maybe in 2012 Obama should enlist Tyler Perry to be the new "Obama Girl"?

hennasplace said...

I just saw the Pause episode and it is funny. McGruder nailed the psuedo-christianity theme very well. There is an air of superficality to Perry's movies, and it is always the same them and it does and will not unless the consumer demand something more. His films does lack depth and I certainly do not run to theater to pay a dime. McGruder's episode is more about Perry being gay, but creating an movie empire selling poorly made films which by the way is always has the same theme just some of the actors replaced. Perry is laughing all the way to bank once again we as black people allow him to sell us crap because he is one of us, unbelievable.

LACoincidental said...

Aaron McGruder has been on a tear lately, that's for sure. I did feel like the Tyler Perry parody was a bit over the top and meaner than his usual parodies (except maybe the BET parody). Tyler Perry gets crap for his work, but did Soul Plane get the same flack? What about BAPS? That being said, The Kickball episode and "Smoking With Cigarettes" were great!

Season 2, Episode 1 completely rips Soul Plane and most Ice Cube movies -- which is funny because John Witherspoon (Grandpa Freeman) was a co-star in almost all of them.

I do love the first episode though -- I think McGruder's point was that too many Black folks were jumping on the Obama bandwagon had no clue about politics. They were just happy to see a Black man make it. That's great, but to his point -- the Presidency is deeper and substantial than one day.

As for Tyler Perry's hissy fit -- dude, you're no different than a bunch of Muslim converts going after the South Park creators. Its a cartoon, a parody so get over yourself Negro. Does he not expect for someone to blatantly call out the "How you doin' " moments when he built his fortune dressing in women's clothing?

McGruder called 50 Cents a faux-thug closeted queen -- TWICE!!! He's lampooned many of the hip-hop stars who regularly guest star on his show.

I'm happy TP is making his dough and my girl and my mother loves his stuff.


But let's keep it real folks, there's deeper Black & Christian theater out there that simply won't see the time of day because self-promoting coons like Tyler Perry. How many Black folks have every read of seen performed James Baldwin's "Amen Corner"? Hell, Jesus Christ superstar has more depth than a Tyler Perry play.

Now, I think that the Black intelligensia has become too self absorbed and haughty to reach common Black folks through art -- which gave Tyler Perry an opening. But that's another post.

(Speaking of that cultural divide, Spike Lee virtually screamed about that divide in "Mo' Better Blues". Probably the most important piece of that film was between Bleek Gilliam (Denzel Washington) and Shadow Henderson(Wesley Snipes) In this case, Spike is Bleek, stubbornly holding on to Black thought and critical analysis of craft and Tyler Perry is Shadow, arguing that adapting to your audience is the only means of not just surviving, but thriving in entertainment.)

alicia banks said...

lac:

then why attack tyler for "adapting" to his own audience too????

alicia banks said...

lac:

if tyler was het or out, would that make his films any better?

no

it would only lose his holy homohating fan base

it is why his films never have any gay characters...the one thing i do hate about them

tyler is being hated on because he is rich and successful. period.

envy is like oxygen to most people...especially blacks

alicia banks said...

lac:

ie

will smith is not holy and he has made some of the best films in the world...he has never crossed dress and his scripts are brilliant

ie

enemy of the state

ali

and he is hated on even more than tyler

why?

because he is the rich and famous and is the alpha male of a rich empire. period.

and he is a box office golden boy!
period!

most blacks feel that hating is a life skill....shame!!!

alicia banks said...

lac

excuse all the typos
rushing as always

successful people are hated on period.

especially when they are rich and famous.

especially by most perpetually broke and incessantly envious blacks!

if any of his films start to flop, tyler will be left alone. but never until then....

i wish him eternal success!!!

LACoincidental said...

AB, Spike never dumbs down his movies for his audience and Black folks still go to see the films.

You don't have to make a self-important, convoluted head trips like Oprah's "Beloved" that only a handful of English Lit and Af Am studies majors will fully understand. (Morrison tends to write really convoluted stuff. Its like reading James Joyce or Faulkner)

But you don't have to build a fortune off modern day minstrel shows with a hokey faux Christian message like Tyler Perry either.

I don't hate TP for being rich; I simply don't like the fact that this outright hack can write pedestrian high school plays and make a fortune but my friends in the industry -- you know, people who studied film and theater, can't make enough to pay rent.

If anything, I'm more ticked off at the legions of Black women who flock to this tripe and push out intelligent artist who something important to say.


Also, my friends in theater hipped me to the fact that the cult-like nature of the Tyler Perry cast is totally on point, as is the fact that his actors get paid peanuts while he stacks cake.

(And btw, I've been to the premiere of 'Why did I get married?" and the God awful sequel -- both women I dated are Tyler Perry fans. Hell, I've sat through a TD Jakes movie because my lady likes that type of stuff. My girl knows I hate Perry's body of work. But then again, she hates horror and sci-fi, so we're even.)

alicia banks said...

lac:

when oliver stone makes a film

he could not care less what adam sandler is filming too

there is room for ALL genres among black film makers too

but it is EASIER to whine about one's failure than to COPY what tyler has done for HIMSELF!

displacement is a symptom of envy...blacks have mastered both...shame!!!!!!!

alicia banks said...

lac:

u do not have to like him

but u do have to stop pretending that there is only room for 1 star/genre etc

ie

i watch all kinds of films fanatically

i watch all that spike/mcgruder/tyler produce

i also watch tons of french/foreign/documentaries etc

ONLY blacks divide and conquer by pretending that any fare is limited!

alicia banks said...

comparing spike and tyler is like comparing

malcolm x and flav a flav

senseless

irrelevant

unrelated etc


whites never compare john huston to the jackass crew/johnny knoxville

we should not do so either

why???
there is room for all visions/genres/niches/
"adaptations" etc

alicia banks said...

lac;

to each their own

that includes tyler and his fans too

ie

i adore toni morrison
and i love horror films too

alicia banks said...

lac:

i love political sci fi like

soylent green
thx 1138
they live
stargate
etc

but i hate bubble gum cosmic stuff
ie
i have never seen any star wars etc

alicia banks said...

lac:

the best black films i have ever seen have all flopped at the box office...

films like:

to sleep with anger
brother from another planet
american violet
stranger inside
sankofa
etc

because holy mindless homohaters and ghetto thugs will always pass over them for silly bs

that is not tyler's fault

LACoincidental said...

alicia banks said...
lac:
when oliver stone makes a film, he could not care less what adam sandler is filming too


You're right AB; but if Adam Sandler acts like an idiot -- white America doesn't assume all Jewish guys in their mid 40's from Brooklyn are stupid overgrown frat boys. And though he's not in the same genre, Adam Sandler's buffoonery isn't taking off out of Oliver Stone's mouth.

Every dollar spent on a Tyler Perry flick is a dollar not spent on movies like "Akheela and the Bee" or "Eve's Bayou" (both of which I've watched numerous times)

As a Black radical, you should fully understand that how we present ourselves personally reflects on our people collectively to the greater society. Sad, but true.

And if the world only knows Tyler Perry movies -- they think that the only thing Blacks are good for is shucking and jiving.

And more importantly, McGruder has lampooned Rev. Al, R. Kelly, Ludacris, BET, Obama, Ice Cube, 50 Cent and even one of his show's stars -- John Witherspoon. Those guys seem man enough to laugh it off (ok, maybe not Sharpton or Reggie Hudlin).

If Tyler wants to play with the big boys (no pun intended), he's got take Big Boy heat. As nuts as Mel Gibson is -- he's not threatening the South Park guys with libel.

alicia banks said...

lac:


please do not play as uts and change the subject!

what?
i praised am for lampooning tyler!

ditto

am lampoons everyone
andi adore him as he does so superbly

my issue with you is that you cannot blame tyler for the racist refusal of movie execs to greenlight your friends'/superior black films

no single black person can carry the images of the entire black race...it is unfair of anyone of any race to demand that that do so

even the buffoonish madea has
many redeeming qualities
even as the comic relief among hr STELLAR black feminist casts!

nor can u blame tyler for the HORRID tastes of most mindless drones

this is not tyler's burden!

it is the burden of moviegoers and movie moguls!!!

tyler has his niche on lock!

that is why he is hated!

alicia banks said...

it is unfair of anyone of any race to demand that THEY do so

ie

i do not expect tyler to make spike films & vice versa

i support them both

spike has blasted mindless black audiences long before tyler blew up!

it was SPIKE who chose to begin making WHITE films because blacks did not go se him films!!!

ie

25th hour

son of sam

alicia banks said...

lac:

i think spike's BEST film of all was

get on the bus

with 2 of the best REALISTIC black gay roles ever on film

and it FLOPPED at the box office!

it was too political and deep for most mindless homohating black movie drones!

http://www.amazon.com/Get-Bus-Ossie-Davis/dp/B000051YMP/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1278099185&sr=8-1

alicia banks said...

it was SPIKE who chose to begin making WHITE films because blacks did not go SEE HIS films!!!

long before tyler p!

alicia banks said...

lac:

"Every dollar spent on a Tyler Perry flick is a dollar not spent on movies like "Akheela and the Bee" or "Eve's Bayou" (both of which I've watched numerous times)"


ditto

i love and own both films

BUT

most people prefer mindless bs to both

and that is NOT tyler's fault

nor should it have any bearing on his films

it is not
either or

it must be
ALL & MORE!!!

we need more choices
and more people making more choices
not less!

alicia banks said...

lac:

i cannot even imagine a world where oliver stone is bashing the makers of "american pie" because they grossed more cash...

every image/film will never suit/rep every black person in america!

clint eastwood makes superb films that often to do not gross much...yet i never hear him bashing adam sandler either....


blacks need to stop hating and dividing and just make MORE BLACK FILMS that present MORE BLACK images by any means necessary!!!

LACoincidental said...

AB -- Huh?!
Tyler, like Oprah, Bob Johnson, Jay-Z and a few others have garnered a level of clout that they could use to promote intelligent Black film. They choose not to.

This topic isn't a linear point -- its a deep, multi-layered issue about Blacks, media and change.
For brevity, I'll folks on three points.

Now, the first part of the issue is that too many Black folks in media simply feel that so long as they're making paper -- who cares if they insult and degrade their own people? Bob Johnson is the king of making Black folks look like idiots.

A second level is the so-called 'Black Intelligensia' and Black upper class thinkers who have long ago abandoned our responsibility as public intellectuals. Simply put, every educated Black person (myself included)who bitches about Black children not reading but has never tutored a child is as much a part of the problem as BET. Just as get on folks whine about Obama, the Democrats, Republicans who whatever political caste isn't doing things their way but can't name their local city councilman, let alone vote or participate in real community organizing (and not BS protest marching for one day and nothing the other 364 of the year).

Third is the audience itself. Sure my mother and my girlfriend like Tyler Perry, but my mother also reads the new york times and my lady enjoys the newspaper and the opera. The problem is that too many Black folks (mostly women, in the case of TP plays) expose themselves to intellectual cotton candy only. Now, this is where we advocate for Black folks educating themselves -- but this tier won't change until we deal with tiers one and two -- which would be Du Bois' "Talented Tenth".

And as for Spike making so-called "White" films -- good for him!! No one looks shocked that Spielberg made "The Color Purple" or "Amistad". Spike Lee isn't just a 'black director' -- he's one of the most talented film makers of his generation.

alicia banks said...

ditto

the deeply rooted complex anti-intellectual mindlessness of ALL americans of all races RULES all box office fare

it is not tyler's creation or burden

the burden is for black people to MAKE and PAY to see more black films with MORE black images!!!

any blame directed solely at tyler p is simply envy. period.

when white sleepers fail at the box office they do not react with flame wars against richer white directors....they just keep making special films...hits or no...

we ALL need to do the same

keep hating his films all u wish

but do not hate tyler for his success or blame him for all you hate inside a racist industry that caters to drones

alicia banks said...

ps:

i am not an oprah fan

but i love all of her films

even the botched sabotaged
"beloved"

and the painful and prophetic though blatantly colorist
"precious"

"their eyes were watching god"
is a classic black love story

and

"the women of brewster place"
features the best realistic black lesbians on film too
etc...

i hate her show but
thank god oprah makes films!

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/precious-a-colorist-classic.html

http://webspace.webring.com/people/rm/monicasass/BELOVED.htm

alicia banks said...

ditto on

the color purple

but i depised amistad for its racist revisions

http://webspace.webring.com/people/rm/monicasass/AMISTAD.htm

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]Speaking of that cultural divide, Spike Lee virtually screamed about that divide in "Mo' Better Blues".[/quote]

LACking:

Spike Lee can kiss my Black azz - (No Homo).

He is a bully
He is an ideologue & partisan
HHe is a bigot

BULLY - There is only room for other Black film makers that meet HIS standard.

Ideologue & Partisan: Per his Essence interview (the one where Essence was going to REMAKE THE BLACK MAN.....by having us all be made into the image of BARACK OBAMA) Spike Lee told of his son: "He is very protective of the president. If he hears someone criticizing Obama he will break into the conversation and ask 'WELL WHAT ARE YOU DOING besides criticizing the president?"

He coined the term "B.O. and "A.O." - "America will be defined in two periods BEFORE OBAMA and AFTER OBAMA."

BIGOT -
BEFORE OBAMA Mr Lee said "I don't like interracial couples. When I see one I stare them down."

AFTER OBAMA: Since Obama is the fruit from an interracial copulation session AND since Obama has some value to him, We haven't heard Mr Lee spout off at the mouth about WHO people should date.

In regards to Obama and the Oil Spill instead of CRITICIZING Obama he wanted to SPEAK THROUGH Obama, telling him to GET ANGRY!!

When a person who CLAIMS that he has the Black community's interests in mind in all that he does YET he becomes so ideologically and politically compromised with his attachment his basic integrity and value to his permanent interests must be questioned.

alicia banks said...

cf:

i disagree

i love and respect spike lee

he was a hobama nazi

but he too is waking up

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b0137e00b8b64860e.html

alicia banks said...

cf;

did u know spike lee has dated many biracial women?

including halle berry and veronica webb?

alicia banks said...

cf:

i do not think spike is a racist

i think he is a realist who tells rebel truths about racism just like me

i am an anti-racist and often slandered as a racist too...

and

spike also dated rosie perez
and hsi been adm

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]....too many Black folks in media simply feel that so long as they're making paper -- who cares if they insult and degrade their own people?
Bob Johnson is the king of making Black folks look like idiots.
[/quote]

LACking - the frustrating thing about your analysis is that despite your truth you STILL are targeted at "safe enemies".

Bob Johnson is a safe "whipping boy".
Yet as we look at the various Black political operatives that have enlisted "Hip Hop Voice Of The Street Pirate, tapping their CONNECTION with the Black community to turn out VOTES for the Democrats you seem quite silent on this outrage.

http://withintheblackcommunity.blogspot.com/2010/03/did-people-with-official-jobs-do.html

The truth is, LACking - GREATER than the faux outrage over the content is the question of "HOW CAN WE USE THIS OPERATIVE FOR OUR ULTIMATE ADVANTAGE". Since our community has no real CHECK AND BALANCE system within it - IF the popular balance is fine with something it won't be called out as a SELLOUT ACT.

[quote].....the so-called 'Black Intelligensia' and Black upper class thinkers who have long ago abandoned our responsibility as public intellectuals.

Simply put, every educated Black person (myself included)who bitches about Black children not reading but has never tutored a child is as much a part of the problem as BET.[/quote]

Do you notice the QUALIFICATIONS that you added to your indictment so that the IGNORANT PARENTS are absolved from the responsibilities that come along with a functioning set of "sperm or egg" collection?

How can we have BLACK INTRAMURAL EQUALITY unless you can bring the "IGNORANT WHO ARE BLACK" into the solution set - detailing THEIR OBLIGATION LACking?

I for one seem to not get along with anyone who calls themselves a "Public Intellectual". This self-branding is more for self-importance. They do a better job impressing the ignorant with their elocution (Dyson & West) than they do in putting forth a WORKABLE PLAN that will make anyone "UNignorant".

[quote]
Third is the audience itself. ....The problem is that too many Black folks (mostly women, in the case of TP plays) expose themselves to intellectual cotton candy only.
Now, this is where we advocate for Black folks educating themselves -- but this tier won't change until we deal with tiers one and two -- which would be Du Bois' "Talented Tenth". [/quote]

I 1000% REJECT the notion of the Talented Tenth as a SUPREMACIST tool!!

The Talented 10% leaves behind:

* The Get In Where They Fit In "Marginal 55%"

and

* The "Inferior & Hapless 35% Least Of These"

We need people seeing themselves as 100% EQUAL HUMAN BEINGS!!!!!

If they are POISONED to believe that they are INFERIOR - grab them by their shoulders and SHAKE IT OUT OF THEM. Teach them to PUNCH IN THE MOUTH anyone who calls them "The Least Of These"!!!

You are taking Euro-centric colonialist constructs and adopting them as your own.

We need DISTRIBUTED COMPETENCIES and FUNCTIONAL GOVERNANCE, both applied toward a DIRECTED OUTCOME.

You fail to see that the "Least of These People" begin to see the game and LIVE DOWN to your standards that you have for them.

(I am not arguing with you for the sake of argument. Your theories are UNWORKABLE!!!)

alicia banks said...

cf:

that was:

and spike has been very admirably candid about his own colorism and sexism too...

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]did u know spike lee has dated many biracial women?[/quote]

AB:

This only proves that he has two sets of RULES

* One for him

* Another for everyone else

He is on record expressing his revulsion toward interracial dating.

Spike Lee falls out with jazzman dad Bill Lee over mixed marriage
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_n2_v86/ai_15456367/

[quote] Filmmaker Spike Lee, whose seventh feature-length film Crooklyn opens in theaters across the country this week, is on the outs with his jazzman dad, Bill Lee, who scored his son's first four movies.

"I don't have anything to do with Spike now," Lee told New York Newsday in a recent interview. "We haven't talked for two years."

The jazz musician with a history of heroin abuse said their problems started with his son's intolerance of his interracial second marriage. The family feud began in 1976, when Spike's mother Jacquelyn died of cancer and Susan Kaplan moved in with Bill. Spike has been quoted as saying, "my mother wasn't even cold in her grave."

Bad feelings intensified with Jungle Fever, the younger Lee's film on Black-White romance. "That's directly talking about me and my wife in a negative way," said Lee, who has a young son, Arnold Tone Kaplan Lee, by his current wife. Mrs. Lee countered, "I've never been a Spike Lee fan."

Things got ugly in 1992, when the father asked his son for a few thousand dollars to cover household expenses. Spike turned him down "and his attitude was very insulting," said Lee, 65.

The rift came shortly after the father's heroin arrest, but he says that didn't contribute to the split. "I'm glad I was arrested," said the elder Lee, "It woke me up."

Asked if he would give his side of the story, Spike didn't have much to say: "Why should I dignify comments my father said, or play it out in a public forum?"[/quote]

DESTITUTE FATHER ASKS HIS MILLIONAIRE SON FOR A FEW DOLLARS.

SON TELLS THE MAN WHO BROUGHT HIM INTO THIS WORLD..................

How does one suggest that Spike Lee is working to bring us CONNECTEDNESS into a higher level of thinking when HE WASN'T ABLE TO see past the CONFLICT with his own FLESH AND BLOOD and share some of his ABUNDANCE?

PEOPLE OVER PROFITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

alicia banks said...

cf:

i love him anyway

i do not think a racist man would have made "jungle fever"...

alicia banks said...

cf:

i never judge family rifts

they are always too deep

we agree to disagree

i admit i am biased
i adore spike...

and

family is not WHO you are
family is HOW u are

friends can often be much closer and better than family

maria said...

that article was from 1994!

maybe spike didn't want to give his father money in 92 following his 91 arrest for heroin???

he has not been that involved in spike's movies; that role has gone to terence blanchard:

'After performing on soundtracks for Spike Lee movies, including Do the Right Thing and Mo' Better Blues, Lee wanted Blanchard to compose the scores for his films beginning with "Jungle Fever" (1991). Blanchard has written the score for every Spike Lee film since including, Malcolm X, Clockers, Summer of Sam, 25th Hour, Inside Man. In 2006, he composed the score for Spike Lee's 4-hour Hurricane Katrina documentary for HBO entitled When the Levees Broke: A Requiem in Four Acts. Blanchard also appeared in front of the camera with his mother to share their emotional journey back to find her home completely destroyed."

hennasplace said...

LA:

I think there a few themes are in the Pause episode along with cross-dressing theme. One is pseudo-Christianity or the very least the superficiality of it. The second point is the occult-like theme that some people in the black community will spend money to see Perry's films, the third point is the treatment of actors who cannot find work and how Perry pays them very little money. There is another point that some people do know what Perry is doing, but are willing to condone it because they consider him to have influence to make films for blacks that appear somewhat positive, in other words they suspend rationale for the larger goal of a successful black person in Hollywood. McGruder does an excellent job with bringing out social commentary. As for some people who seem to be offended because he uses nigger a lot in his show. Take a closer look on the people in the show who uses the word as there are a few characters who do not say nigger, one is the protagonist, Huey the socially - conscious 10 year-old, Jasmine and her parents. He is making the point that those who do use the world are ignorant and have no awareness of how they are. McGruder does not hold back any punches and he does make you think.

alicia banks said...

hp:

how does that work if aaron is the one writing the word nigger and broadcasting it ad infinitum as an integral part of his very own show?

again:

niggers of all races are more real than the word itself

and i am certain that am knows a real nigger when he sees one just as i do...

kid said...

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]did u know spike lee has dated many biracial women?[/quote]

AB:

This only proves that he has two sets of RULES

* One for him

* Another for everyone else

He is on record expressing his revulsion toward interracial dating.

Spike Lee falls out with jazzman dad Bill Lee over mixed marriage
___________________________________

First CF, I don't think you're CIA,gotdamnit I KNOW IT!

Now unless you're Benjamin Banneker, most of the damn Black people here are BI-RACIAL! Also called in America Ni***rs.

CF the Willy Lynch shit has played out.

alicia banks said...

hp:

ie

am lets the world know that he thinks BET run by niggers and that hobama is a nigger running the world...every chance he gets on tv and in person...

and that is why i adore am!

kid said...

Hey people; folk in Toronto are saying that it might not be safe to come up there for Caribana. Too much static.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone seen the Tyler Perry production in which the character Mr Brown totally degrades the beautiful Miss Edna. Every time she walks into the room he starts with ‘how ugly she is‘, calling her names, telling her she looks like an animal, not wanting to be touched by her or he‘ll get the cooties, brushing off her touch. It is juvenile, ignorant attempt at humor and I am sick and tired of it.

Black women have a hard enough time finding any positive images of themselves in the media, and we have Tyler Perry co-signing this nonsense. I‘m disgusted and sickened. It's a non-stop degradation of this women and it goes on and on, every scene, every show. This has to stop.

I’m totally protesting anything Tyler Perry.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Smh!

kid said...

Hi Granny ! Glad to see you.

LACoincidental said...

CF-- Wow man, just wow. Dude, you're arguing the whole 'pull up your bootstraps' and 'do for self' thing but then blast me for actually calling for those of us who can to help those who can't (i.e. to do for ourselves as a people)?

If the government shouldn't help our people and those who have the means and knowledge shouldn't help our people, should we just let them die like animals in the streets? Wait for the minimal possibility that one of two of these people will see the light and do better for self without any help or external force driving changing? Should we with the means, who have escaped the horrors of poverty and ignorance, leave another generation to languish and grow up to be the 'Street Pirates' you rail on about?

Maybe UTS and Kid are right and you've got some Uncle Ruckus level haterade for Black people. Negro, You....Have.....Issues!

HP - I concur, McGruder goes on multiple level in his satire. People primarily noticed the 'Tyler Perry is gay' meme because its the easiest to pick up.

Jay said...

I am a cashier in a supermarket. I have some information about the "welfare cards" you mentioned. They are called "Electronic Benefit Transfer" (EBT) cards. The state uses the same card for two different programs. (1) food benefits (what used to be called Food Stamps) and (2) cash benefits. Two different funding sources, two different sets of rules.

Food benefits are strictly limited to actual grocery food products. No soap, paper products, energy drinks, or hot prepared food.

Cash benefits are the same as an old fashioned welfare check. You can spend cash benefits on anything you want. A person might get cash benefits from TANF. My state also puts child support payments that the state collects on the card. Similar cards are also used for unemployment benefits.

People feel like they have the right to tell folks who get benefits what they can or cannot spend them on. For example, I personally hate to see customers buy soda (Mountain Dew, usually) and candy, and I would rather they were forbidden from this but allowed to buy toothpaste and vitamins.

I consider state subsidized gambling to be a tax on the hopes of the poor. Your legislators know that too much of the money spent on lottery tickets comes from the desperate hope of the hopeless.

field negro said...

Thanks Jay!

alicia banks said...

hp:

i also adore

the last poets
&
x-clan

because they also know as much about niggers as am and i...

peace


http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/video/6a0123ddb39306860b01347f0e2422860b.html

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/video/6a0123ddb39306860b0137a59eed06860d.html

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/video/6a0123ddb39306860b0123de3438ab860d.html

Constructive Feedback said...

LACking:

I was going to reply with words that started with "U" and "F" but not in that order but this is a critical point to set you straight.

[quote]Dude, you're arguing the whole 'pull up your bootstraps' and 'do for self' thing[/quote]

You did not hear me say ANYTHING about your molested view of "Pull Your Self UP".

Instead I argued that more effective HUMAN RESOURCE MANAGEMENT strategies are needed. If you recall I have been saying for the longest period of time - the FUNDAMENTAL REQUIREMENT for any movement is that EVERYONE IS CONSIDERED EQUAL!!!!

Telling someone "Pull yourself up by you bootstraps" is like saying "Let them eat cake". I did not say this.

HOWEVER - I am saying that I refuse to allow those who are in NEED of change to GO ALONG FOR THE RIDE rather than them being the most important person in their own SALVATION.

It appears to me that with your "Talented 10th" theory - AS WITH "Holy Roller Christians"....you are not sure about somethings but you DO KNOW that YOU are going to heaven and are a part of this "10th".


[quote]
but then blast me for actually calling for those of us who can to help those who can't
(i.e. to do for ourselves as a people)? [/quote]

LACking - let's put aside YOU for a second - the "Greatest of These".
Instead let's talk about YOUR "The Least Of These". Specifically focusing on otherwise fully formed Black Adults - can you specifically articulate to me why you think that they are DAMAGED GOODS and thus "can't help themselves"?

Do you see that when I call out certain people as "Transacting Black Inferiority" that THIS is what I am talking about?

You are so convinced in their inferiority that you need to WORK ON THEIR BEHALF more than WORKING WITH THEM as they do their part because they have FULL BUY IN.

I suspect that with you the issue is that you know that you have no traction with "The Least Of These". Those who live an "I Don't Give A WHAT" life aren't prone to listen to management theory from Yale or Dartmouth or Brown - or where ever you attended.

[quote]
If the government shouldn't help our people and those who have the means and knowledge shouldn't help our people
, should we just let them die like animals in the streets[/quote]

LACking - I am not so sure that YOU don't look at them like fauna.

My issue with you is that YOU can't articulate a strategy when YOU/THEY are the "GOVERNMENT" per your victory at the local level.

When you do slip up and become the "government" in the context that you struggled for and won you merely EXPAND OUTWARD to find the next rung by which you can render and indictment against.

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]People feel like they have the right to tell folks who get benefits what they can or cannot spend them on.[/quote]

Jay:

This monetary benefit that these individuals are receiving are SOCIALIZED. These are private funds that were collected by the government as taxes and then redistributed to these individuals based on their needs.

IF you see people seeking to tell the banks who received money from the government why is it any surprise that the individual who receives money from the same trough to be subjected to the public whim?

I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU ALL CAN'T SEE THAT "MULTIPLE TAXPAYER PAID HEALTH CARE" is going to trigger the same "Your body is owned by the state" consciousness.

That Twinkie that Gregory eats and adds to his waist line also increases the risk that the government will have to pay for his care. The regulation of individual behavior will be seen as preemptively "protecting the government's investment"


[quote]I consider state subsidized gambling to be a tax on the hopes of the poor. Your legislators know that too much of the money spent on lottery tickets comes from the desperate hope of the hopeless.[/quote]

Once again you are inferiorizing the poor. THEY got the cash in hand and chose to spend it on the lottery tickets. AT LEAST the same state that gave them the money in the first place is receiving it back and "regifting" it for other purposes - usually education or services for the elderly.

La♥audiobooks said...

Jay said: "People feel like they have the right to tell folks who get benefits what they can or cannot spend them on."

True. And in all fairness, some people who pay those taxes feel they too have the right to spend their hard earned money on what they want to spend it on.

Also AB, you made a point at 2:02 PM

alicia banks said...

thanks laa!

mostly rabid and her cloned drones demo that same pt herein daily

have a great weekend!
ab

classysbf said...

Dang,Hennasplace! Not a Perry fan,and I'm shuddering to think what he'll do to "For Colored Girls Who Have Considered Suicide When The Rainbow is Enuf."I'll have to keep on top of that to see how things proceed.Thank you for that information.

classysbf said...

Race Traitoress,I feel you about MacGruder's strip versus his TV show.
Could be my age :-).T took along "A Right to Be Hostile," a collection of the strips,on a trip with a former flame. I was laughing so much,he noted that I'd be sad when the book was over.
He was right.