Thursday, February 10, 2011

Black History Month.


I wanted to blog about Black History Month so I went looking over at HuffPo (since they are reserving a section for us black folks now) and found this. Needles to say I was disappointed. More liberal guilt from a white woman named Helen Davey, ( that's not Helen in the picture) who just read "The Help" ,and as is to be expected with these sort of things; it brought back all types of childhood memories for the poor woman:

"My first best friend was Elisabeth Darity. I have an old, black and white photograph of the two of us, dated September 1943, when I was six months old. Nestled in Elisabeth's lap, I'm resting my tiny white hand on her large and comforting black one. My memories of Elisabeth begin when my older brother and sister went to school, and I felt left behind and lonely. Elisabeth was chosen to look after me, and I had no idea that I was her job -- I thought she was my friend who came to play. She was the first person who listened to me and took what I said seriously. My brother and sister, being older, would laugh at me, run away from me and call me a "crybaby." Elisabeth empowered me by pointing out that my siblings actually needed me as a third person to play most games. If they ran away from me, then I wouldn't play with them anymore. It worked! "

No Helen, Elisabeth didn't come to play. She came to work. Taking care of you was how she fed her family.

Anyway, I changed my mind about the Black History Month post. Every day is black history for me. I don't need a month that was set aside for me to reinforce A-merry-can exceptionalism. "See how we love you black folks? We even gave you your own month".

Let me start with Governor Kripy Kreme and go down from there. My man was in my city today to get an award from the very Blue Blooded Union League. The award is called....wait for it....."The Lincoln Award". Yes, the same Lincoln who freed the slaves. Maybe freeing people from their money and their jobs is the Republican version of Lincoln type values these days. That is certainly what the good Gov. has been doing in Jersey.

And speaking of the party of Lincoln; it looks like the GOP infighting has started already. Seems that former Senator Rick I should be in a Sanitarium called out Sarah:

"I have a feeling that she has some demands on her time, and a lot of them have financial benefit attached to them,"

Are you saying that it's all about the money with Sarah, Rick? Well she has a little something for you:

“I think the reports were much worse than what he really said. I think some things were really taken out of context. So I will not call him the knuckle dragging neanderthal that perhaps others would want to call him. I’ll let his wife call him that instead.”

Ouch! A "knuckle dragging neanderthal"? Now now Sarah, is that anyway for one future presidential candidate to talk about another?

O man, if they are treating each other with such contempt and derision, I shudder to think what's in store for you.

Finally, if this Negro isn't the slave catcher of the year I don't know who is. You would think that with all the problems his flock might have to deal with this pastor would find other things to occupy his time than to save white men.

Come on Rev. I am sure that the white men of A-merry-ca appreciate the effort. But take my word for it when I tell you that they will be just fine.






143 comments:

Karen said...

I hated "The Help". Living in the deep South was the first place I lived when I moved to the US, so the systemic racism still in place was a bit .... overwhelming at times. And everyone was so blase about it.

However, "The Help" struck me as exactly the type of novel that an overwrought Liberal from New York would write, who had never lived in the South. It didn't disappoint in that respect. Predictable. Tired. Cliched.
My book club loved it, though. I was the sole dissenter.

As for "Black History Month", I have always wondered why we have to separate out "Black History" -- when isn't "black history" part of the very sinew and bones of "American" history? It confuses me, much the same way academics insist on teasing out "womyn's history" as a separate issue.

The whole revisionism thing in modern history is deeply disturbing. We need to make sure our children have access to ALL of history -- including original source material -- the good, bad and the very ugly -- so they can make their own judgments and opinions.

I think "Black History Month" just lets too many people off the hook, too easily.

Anonymous said...

I saw a photo recently (sorry but I can't find the link or the name of the famous African photographer)of a black nanny holding a little white girl. The caption read something like 'I love you little girl but you will grow up to think of me the same as your mother does'. Sad

La♥audiobooks said...

OMG Field, why did I click on that video? Please tell me that Rev. Manning is early for April Fools Day. Please.

And he looks so normal, you can't even tell how certifiable he is just by looking. That scares me the most.

Karen said...

@LAA
Hey, leave Rev Manning alone.
If it weren't for him, I never would have known what a "Long-legged Mack Daddy" was. He's very educational.

La♥audiobooks said...

Anony 8:28, what saddens me is how the black mammies had to take better care of the white children than they did their own. In other words, whenever some of the mammies got the chance to go home, they didn't have the time, energy, nor patience to deal with their own black children. Sad.

Anonymous said...

That was ANOTHER powerful video of Rev Manning. He has produced countless such videos regarding Obama and Blacks such as uts, PilotX and mellaneous.

As a bm I agree with everything he has said, esp his opinion about the black community.

I know Field chose this video to be funny, but we must get beyond the laughter and see the wisdom of this righteous man. I am glad he is speaking out, like he normally does.

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Anonymous said...

Dear Field, why haven't you attacked this bm like you have spent so much time attacking Beck and Limbaugh? He is every bit as radical and dangerous as Fox.

How can you claim to NOT be a racist pretending to be a racism chaser? Btw, I see all of your white Field Negroes have abandoned your ass. Rev Manning is right...Whites can't trust a bm.

field negro said...

Dear President of Anon Inc. Please see the post by one of your own at 8:46 PM, and tell me why I should take your organization more than anything but a joke.

La♥audiobooks said...

Anony 8:46, I was waiting for you to say something like that :). You have got to admit that he has gone too far with the "poor white man" part of it, I mean really. He's practically comparing his imaginative "castration" of white men today with the actual enslaved and oppressed black people of yesterday. Doesn't that alarm you?

field negro said...

"Btw, I see all of your white Field Negroes have abandoned your ass. Rev Manning is right...Whites can't trust a bm."

"Toots Shore's restaurant is so crowded nobody goes there anymore".
- Yogi Berra - ;)

Anonymous said...

LAA, "Anony 8:28, what saddens me is how the black mammies had to take better care of the white children than they did their own. In other words, whenever some of the mammies got the chance to go home, they didn't have the time, energy, nor patience to deal with their own black children. Sad."

Yeah, a lot of black children got whipped a lot because the mammies were so angry from taking care of those white kids all day. It is also true that a lot of those white kids learned to treat mammy in condescending ways like their parents did.

Let's face it. NOTHING GOOD comes out of slavery or a Jim Crow society. It is a terrible thing which requires a denial of a great Sin against humanity.

Both the perpetrators and the victims LOSE their true humanity and connection to God. That is horrendous KARMA that God only knows will take a long long time to cleanse minds and hearts.

uptownsteve said...

KKKaren

"As for "Black History Month", I have always wondered why we have to separate out "Black History" -- when isn't "black history" part of the very sinew and bones of "American" history? It confuses me, much the same way academics insist on teasing out "womyn's history" as a separate issue."

Maybe you should ask the white male historians who have been ignoring the contributions of blacks and women toward the establishment and power of America.

Ya think?

La♥audiobooks said...

Ok, he's right about hairdo Sharpton, OOW baby daddy cheating Jackson, and the black community. I'll give him that much.

And it seems he's coming from a Christian angle in which he thinks white men are oppressed by not being able to worship God in America as compared to other worshipers. Yet, he doesn't seem to see how his words can be twisted and used to promote/encourage further racism by the wrong set of people. Sigh. Maybe others will have a better take on this.

Karen said...

O/T:
I clicked on Field's "FNOTD" and read this statistic:

"Pennsylvania is second in the nation in the rate of black homicide victims behind Missouri, according to a study released last month by the Violence Policy Center. Of the 449 black homicide victims in 2008, roughly 89 percent were killed by guns."

Missouri? Are you serious? What is up with MISSOURI and why is it not on anyone's radar in the MSM?

:>(

Karen said...

@LAA:

I put Rev Manning and the others (Sharpton, Jackson, Wright et al) in the same category as their counterpart white religious hucksters. (too many to list!)

Stir the pot, to line their own pockets and feed their own egos.

People who cherry pick facts and twist them don't need a "Rev Manning" to help them with their cause.

uptownsteve said...

LAA sez

"Yet, he doesn't seem to see how his words can be twisted and used to promote/encourage further racism by the wrong set of people."

Right after she claims this buckdancing Tom is "right about the black community."

And how is Manning fundamentally different than Sharpton or Jackson?

Al and Jesse are media hustlers for the left and Manning is a shuffler for the right.

uptownsteve said...

"And it seems he's coming from a Christian angle in which he thinks white men are oppressed by not being able to worship God in America as compared to other worshipers."

How are white men prevented from worshipping their God?

The real deal is that the Christian right wants to force their beliefs on everyone else.

Wesley R said...

Field,

Fake ass Pastors like Manning litter African American communities throughout this country. I bet he became a 'Reverand/Pastor' because he was too lazy to get a job. I remember in the movie Blues Brothers when Jake said 'I don't want to hear what some jive ass Pastor has to say' Kudos Bro.

Anonymous said...

LAA, "Anony 8:46, I was waiting for you to say something like that :). You have got to admit that he has gone too far with the "poor white man" part of it, I mean really. He's practically comparing his imaginative "castration" of white men today with the actual enslaved and oppressed black people of yesterday. Doesn't that alarm you?"

To tell you the truth, I was ROFL as the video went on. Sometimes I find it hard to take him seriously. lol..On the other hand, what he says about the black community is true. But as far as his view of what's happening to the wm, he's off the chart.

He kept saying the wm was being "castrated" but kept correcting it with "neutered".lol Rev Manning always goes too far when it comes to supporting Whites.

I am surprised that the black community has remained silent about the Rev because he has attacked the black way of life, Obama, Sharpton, and JJ and others for some time.

He is the flip side of Mellaneous: he sees a lot wrong with how we Blacks are living, how we treat out bw, while Mellaneous(and uts) see nothing wrong with the way Blacks are living.

Take a look at this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1sJDhJ-6iE

La♥audiobooks said...

LOL at anony 9:49, if someone had told me it was a parody, I'd believe them. There were things he said that had me laughing. But yes, he's taking it too far.

Karen said: "People who cherry pick facts and twist them don't need a "Rev Manning" to help them with their cause."

When you say "cherry pick facts and twist them", I hope you are not one of those white people who are accusing Tawana Brawley of being a liar. Please be careful.

Steve you have some points, but I'm trying hard to ignore you. I have a long day ahead of me tomorrow. Good night.

Anonymous said...

Laa, "Steve you have some points, but I'm trying hard to ignore you. I have a long day ahead of me tomorrow. Good night."

LOL.

uptownsteve said...

"Steve you have some points, but I'm trying hard to ignore you."

I feel ya LAA.

Just like white racists, there is nobody you black protofemmes hate more than a proud indominatable brother.

Anonymous said...

Hey fields, don't knock liberal guilt!! Its what got Obama out of the fields and into the house.


SPC

Rev. Right said...

"a low-life snail eating white woman"

I'll have to remember that one.

Anonymous said...

"don't knock white liberal guilt!! "

I should have typed.

SPC

Karen said...

@ LAA @ 10:08:
"When you say "cherry pick facts and twist them", I hope you are not one of those white people who are accusing Tawana Brawley of being a liar. Please be careful."

I'm sorry ... is there an implied threat in that statement? Why do I need "to be careful" ? That statement, in itself, was rather disturbing, and provides a window into your mind and groupthink.

And I'm not sure how Tawana Brawley got dragged into this.

I'm entitled to my opinions about a wide ranging variety of topics, as are you.

I don't feel the need to be "careful" about expressing my opinions, even if they are "politically incorrect" within some corners of the black community, as long as they are rational and respectful.

Which is more than I can say for "some" of the commentors on FN.

uptownsteve said...

Yeah Karen,

You white righties is so oppressed.

You can't get up in people's faces and vent your race hatred anymore without repercussions.

"Nobody knows da trouble I see."

Anonymous said...

Karen, in regards to LAA, you stop while you're ahead. lol

Reverand said...

LAA @ 10:08:
"I hope you are not one of those white people who are accusing Tawana Brawley of being a liar. Please be careful."

You can count me in. That one is pretty defintively settled, I'd say.

uptownsteve said...

Why are we still talking about Tawana when we've seen Susan Smith, Charles Stuart, the chick in Pennsylvania and the McCain campaign worker all scream about about the black boogeymen who attacked them and were proved to be liars?

huh Rev?

PilotX said...

My dad believes Rev. Manning is really Ced the Entertainer. I won't go that far but he is on some serious comedy tip. Who could take what he says seriously? But since he's coming from a religious angle I'll give him a bit of leeway but those other right winged dingbats who aren't religiously brainwashed seem to be a bigger problem. That being said he still should be in the running for coon of the year.

Anonymous said...

uptownsteve said...
Why are we still talking about Tawana when we've seen Susan Smith, Charles Stuart, the chick in Pennsylvania and the McCain campaign worker all scream about about the black boogeymen who attacked them and were proved to be liars?

Is that all you got? You bring up bad white behavior to explain away bad black behavior? Thats the kind of arguments racist and uneducated people make. Which one are you?


SPC

PilotX said...

That's kinda not Steve's point. What he was pointing out is why are we atlking about one case when the other side has hundreds of cases to sift through. This goes both ways, one of our most popular racists on this site will go through a laundry list of Black disfunction while ignoring all of the same disfunction in all other ethnicities. If one brings up Tawana the most likely reason is to highlight her as a Black woman and as a Black person of course our first response is "this ain't just us". The larger point is that if this is a tit for tat game he just added the tat.

Karen said...

@Pilot X:

Isn't the so-called "tit for tat" game getting a bit old?

And how does it help anyone solve the very real problems facing us today?

I always thought the real thinkers on this blog were bigger than that.

AgentX said...

I wonder how big the slave catcher's congregation is. 2, maybe 4 people?

Black history is alive and ongoing; while occasionally messy (DC Snipers, Jay Z, the football drug addict) it is exciting to learn and follow.

One lesson we should all learn come from the slave revolts. Don't be afraid to rise up and fight back! If you gain allies, you can even win.

Anonymous said...

PilotX, "That being said he still should be in the running for coon of the year."

I resent what you have said about Rev Manning. He is a "real" Reverend who speaks the truth about how sickening and embarrassing Blacks can be. Whites are suffering because of black folks demanding more and more without contributing shit. Like the good Rev said in his #1 video, being a bm is an embarrassment in America.

As the good REv said, "I am sooo ashamed, dear God relieve me of this agony cause these Negroes won't do right!"

I thank God for Rev Manning because he is willing to stand up as a man and be counted. Some of you weak ass bm who attack LAA and FP and AB are a sorry lot who need to be banned from the black race and America.

Anonymous said...

AgentX, "I wonder how big the slave catcher's congregation is. 2, maybe 4 people?"

No fool, his congregation is one of the biggest in NYC. I bet he has Whites in his congregation because of his ability to accept people of all colors and to see the injustices done to bw and the poor wm who has done nothing to deserve such treatment from jackasses like uts and pilotX!

Roderick said...

Karen said
"@Pilot X: Isn't the so-called "tit for tat" game getting a bit old?

And how does it help anyone solve the very real problems facing us today?

I always thought the real thinkers on this blog were bigger than that."

Aren't you the same one on another thread who was swooning over the fact that Republicans had only cut $30 billion from the budget saying it was at least a start.

Of course you didn't note that this years budget was over $3 trillion with a $1.5 trillion deficit.

The only way that I'm going to take the Republicans seriously is if they propose cuts to Medicare, Social Security, and the defense budget.

But ideologues like you are more impressed when Republicans cut programs for poor Americans.

Anonymous said...

I am very disappointed in Field NEVER giving the wm a fair break. What kind of lawyer does that? smh

As a black conservative, I am embarrassed and apologize to Whites for Field's behavior.

Field, I highly recommend that you attend Rev Mannings church. I guarantee you will be transformed. Take that schmuck uts with you when you go. Who knows, maybe he will lay his hands on you and you will be healed for the rest of your life?

Anonymous said...

Rev Manning has never had anything good to say about Obama. Please Maria, show some guts and give your opinion of the anti-Obama Rev Manning, but remember that he is a man of God. Hence, show some respect for the Divine.

Anonymous said...

Does anybody know what Rev Manning thinks of gays and lesians?

Karen said...

@Roderick:

I already explained that defense cuts are coming, and I support more.

I also support bringing home our troops from the ME -- something Zippy promised to do "first thing".
I know -- words, just words.

I also support completing closing down the Fed Dept of Ed, NEA, HUD, EPA and Dept of Energy -- which has never met its mandate or goals since its inception. And that's just a warm-up.

Why are "poor Americans" "poor"?

Why should I continue to support choices, such as individuals deciding to have an unlimited number of children, that they can't afford, out of wedlock, and which a high percentage end up in foster care?

Why should I continue to be coerced and compelled to support programs that do not assign any accountability for individual's personal choices?

Sorry, I'm not signing up for "more of the same".

You, however, seems to revel in your status as a "victim", therefore, they will NEVER be enough handouts to keep you happy.

Karen said...

"The only way that I'm going to take the Republicans seriously is if they propose cuts to Medicare, Social Security, and the defense budget".

Well, at least we agree on something.

I don't know any conservative that takes the cucumber and mayo sandwich crowd seriously, either.

However, me thinks you are being disingenuous. Your kind would never give Republicans props, even if their solutions worked.

You're too indoctrinated to even consider alternatives aside from the ones that have been drummed into your head.

Pray tell, which Progressive-socialist state is a "winner" -- where all these nanny state policies/wealth redistributive schemes have proven to work splendidly for more than a generation without ever having to transition to any type of free market reforms. High productivity, a growing GDP, full employment, balanced budget, etc.

I'll wait.

Dubbr0259 said...

The Right Rev. Manning That ...... is crazy!
I hope y'all are joking about him making sense.

Roderick said...

Karen said: I already explained that defense cuts are coming, and I support more.

The point I was making is that the Republicans are not going to make substantial cuts to the Defense budget because they receive too much money from lobbyists and it would adversely impact their constituents.


"I also support completing closing down the Fed Dept of Ed, NEA, HUD, EPA and Dept of Energy -- which has never met its mandate or goals since its inception. And that's just a warm-up."

Oh yeah let's have dirty air, water and soil. I guess we will still have to fund NASA because we would have to find another planet to inhabit.

The reasons that these departments haven't met their mandates is because Republicans aided and abetted by big business have brainwashed Americans like to you believe that regulations cost jobs although they like to ship jobs overseas or use illegals.

"Why are "poor Americans" "poor"?

Why should I continue to support choices, such as individuals deciding to have an unlimited number of children, that they can't afford, out of wedlock, and which a high percentage end up in foster care?"

Honey I don't know if you've been paying attention since 2008 but there are a lot of people who are very well educated who have been laid off from jobs. Many of them are in their 50's and won't be able to find jobs which pay anything close to what they were making in their last jobs.

"Why should I continue to be coerced and compelled to support programs that do not assign any accountability for individual's personal choices?

Sorry, I'm not signing up for "more of the same".

You, however, seems to revel in your status as a "victim", therefore, they will NEVER be enough handouts to keep you"

You sound foolish. The rich in this country has been systematically been dismantling the Middle Class since Reagan came to power in 1980.

If you don't see what's happening you need to wake up before it's too late.

"Pray tell, which Progressive-socialist state is a "winner" -- where all these nanny state policies/wealth redistributive schemes have proven to work splendidly for more than a generation without ever having to transition to any type of free market reforms. High productivity, a growing GDP, full employment, balanced budget, etc."

It's ironic that you would mention that but you're the typical conservative who only looks at the surface.

Let's dig deeper shall we?

Even given all of it's financial problems California is the 8th largest economy in the world. The reason California is broke is because just in 2008 it sent $20 billion more to the federal government than it received. Other blue states like Illinois, New York and New Jersey paid more to the federal government than they received in benefits.

Now a red state like Alabama received $1.63 for every dollar it sent to the federal government.

So maybe the blue states are the ones that need to seceed from the Union.

Mack Lyons said...

Pastor David Manning. I've never heard much of him or his ideology. From what I hear of him, he sounds like the kind of guy who denigrates his own people for the entertainment of conservative White America.

But I digress. I'll listen to this guy and see what he's about before coming with a conclusion here.

"The point I was making is that the Republicans are not going to make substantial cuts to the Defense budget because they receive too much money from lobbyists and it would adversely impact their constituents."

The cuts you'll see to the defense budget will be nominal, at best. There's simply too much money being thrown at politicians by defense contractors and too much vested interest within the military to make any meaningful budget cuts.

Besides, you know how most everyone loves taking the knife to welfare and education. Roads and bridges, too, in a pinch.

"Now a red state like Alabama received $1.63 for every dollar it sent to the federal government."

Yeah, Jeff Sessions and Dick Shelby both know how to whore it up for those government dollars. Probably explains why we're among the most corrupt states in the nation, with all that slush money sloshing about.

focusedpurpose said...

Anon 9:49pm-

i, too, am laughing like crazy at the way Pastor Manning keeps saying castration, er excuse me, neuter. LOL. you know, i have not yet successfully made it all the way through a single video of his. will you PLEASE help me understand why he and other preachers talk like that?! i really need to know. i get a case of the giggles that results in tears. is he serious? when he throws that little chubby hand up with the wedding band-another bout of giggles. does he talk to his wife like that? LOL. i know i know, i need to stop. for real though, HE CRACKS ME UP.

some things he says are true. he just gets so busy doing the moooooooooost that it is hard to do anything but laugh. hard.

PilotX, Cedric the Entertainer? now, see...

LOL @ LAA opting to get rest and ignore.

field negro said...

"So maybe the blue states are the ones that need to seceed from the Union."

Co-sign.These red states folks are always ripping the blue state and yet take a look at the state of affairs in those red states. Sad.:(

Karen, I am still waiting for those 100 billion cuts the tea party folks and new republiclowns promised. Somehow I get the feeling that those proposals won't be forthcoming. You see, it's called poli-tricks. No matter what they tell you, always remember that they are just trying to get elected like the next guy.

Let me give you a PE quote: "Don't believe the hype."

If we cut all those programs and agencies you mentioned, we wouldn't recognize your beloved A-merry-ca in a year.


"I am very disappointed in Field NEVER giving the wm a fair break. What kind of lawyer does that? smh

As a black conservative, I am embarrassed and apologize to Whites for Field's behavior."

Hi Rev. Manning. Thank you for reading my blog. :)

maria said...

the woman in the lee scandal gave an interview to the washington post. turns out she's a single mother of a pre-teen son, which makes this description of her all the more questionable. "She's a professional, single and successful, 34-year-old African American woman, dating and socializing in "the diamond district." Her weekends are spent sharing cocktails in posh spots and chatting about the latest news and gossip with friends. Having lived in the area for eight years now, she's a regular scenester in D.C. nightspots and didn't feel like getting her name dragged into the fray."

guess she changed her mind.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/reliable-source/2011/02/the_woman_who_met_a_married_co.html

maria said...

and, yeah, she's deep.
http://thisweekinblackness.com/blog/2010/05/26/lace-front-wigs-the-real-epidemic-affecting-black-women/

Anonymous said...

Tawana is the nooz piece racists keep waving about hoping we never notice the vastly greater number of 'Strom Thurmonds' on BW. It's spin...and designed to deflect attention. Plus, the widdle boys who like repeating the Tawana story can go back to their room with the st reagan posters and pretend to be 'striking' a blow for freedom...and that they like girls.

chritianists want the entire world to be as stoopid and as opportunity-free as they are.

Before we de-fund per 'Karen", I propose we end all faith-based subsidies. We can also cease propping up the rural and suburban lifestyles with hard-earned urban cash. Odd that a 'woman' claims that we need to end SS. Seeing as how that is what many, many working women have as their ONLY retirement. Oh, you might ask who pays for their medical care.
Since 'Karen' wants fwee market solutions..can we let her backers go under? When we remove all those pesky regulations...will we be able to freely sue those who do us damage? Or will 'tort reform' preclude our seeking redress? History of regs is that most were sought by business...as the lawsuits were valid.

Rev Wite, this may come as a surprise to you...but many cultures eat snails. I'm sure your recent ancestors partook of easily digested protein.

UTS, what...is there more to the Tawana case?

Mold

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La♥audiobooks said...

Ok, I'll play nice. I don't need the "you ain't musta gotta man" speech today.

LOL FP, and it was well worth it too. Girl, I was so tired even Maria could have beat me down, so you know.

Mold at 7:52, I'm with what you said, especially about the SS. What is it with these arrogant conservative cyber troopers? Is there some sort of blog rotation program? As one takes a break another shows up?

And Karen, I've been around long enough to sense code words or vibes that certain people may throw in at the mere mention of Sharpton. Please know that I did give you the benefit and asked the question first. Several times on this blog, others have had a flesh eating frenzy on Brawley's expense, as well as other black women who never get the benefit of being believed after a sexual assault.

Please consider my irritation at its peak, especially anything coming from a white female. Now how is that for being PC? So just continue to be careful, I don't want to open that window any bigger. Thank you.

uptownsteve said...

Roderick 1:27 AM

Nice smackdown on KKKaren who seems to be back with her "I won't walk on eggshells with you blacks" routine.

Hey LAA and FP just for the record....

Karen is a Polar-Bearilla with no man.

og said...

Manning is hard to figure out , I think you have to really listen to what he is saying. I am not sure, but there is a lot of sarcasim in the things he says.I think in a way he is saying if the white man is so great and founded the country and all , always been running shit why is everything so messed up now. We did buy Obama lock stock and barrel I have always said be careful what you wish for.He has made a few valid points about his O-ness from the start.I always marveled how OBAMA goes out of his way to sound like a preacher whenever he is addressing us Black folk. I had an aunt who was for lack of better words a mamie , I guess at the time in the rural south that was the only job she could get , besides cutting tabacco once a year. The White children she raised thought more of her then their parents in the end.

LACoincidental said...

uptownsteve said...
And how is Manning fundamentally different than Sharpton or Jackson?

Al and Jesse are media hustlers for the left and Manning is a shuffler for the right.


Steve, the difference is that at least people, Left, Right and Center listen to what Rev. Inc. actually say. They know their hustle and actually stumble upon occasionally doing good work.

Manning is a coon of the highest degree. Obama and Oprah are the anti-Christ? But some how George Bush starting two wars was cool, right? The sad part is that he has enough self-loathing porch monkeys following him to sustain his 'ministry'.

Guys like Manning, Allen Keyes,
Alan West, James Peterson and Niger Innis are trotted out by people like Limbaugh when they need a Black apologists for their Klan-rally BS. And then their quietly put back on the lawn to hold that lantern with a big ol' grin!

Hell, even Hip-Hop Mike has more self-respect than this buck-dancer.

uptownsteve said...

LAC

I totally agree.

What's really funny is that our two resident protofemmes LAA and FP think that much of what Manning says is true but they seem to have a problem only with his style.

Self-hatred is so lame.

Anonymous said...

Needles to say

I imagine that this is a typo, but I really like it. I have to come up with a meaning for it now. Thanks. (If it's not a typo, I hope you'll explain it in the next day or two).

PilotX said...

Well Karen sure the tit for tat game is getting old now that you ask. So why do racist posters continue to come onto Black sites and regurgitate racist crap day after day? I would love to have a site where highly intelligent Black people can discuss issues but alas it does not seem to be possible. Most people do not like to let misinformation and downright racist stereotypes sit unedited therefore you get the game. I would love to hear any suggestion you would have to solve this problem but keep in mind that unlike most conservatives we here do not see things as mutually exclusive. We can play tit for tat games and solve the world's problems.

Karen said...

"You sound foolish. The rich in this country has been systematically been dismantling the Middle Class since Reagan came to power in 1980.

If you don't see what's happening you need to wake up before it's too late."

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I beg to differ.
You're the one who sounds foolish.
You seem to think that people who have some cash and are innovators are just got to idly wait around while you pick their pockets.

I'm inheriting a nice sized company that is innovative and has patents that are cutting edge technology. The company has the cash set aside for all the new equipment and upgrades for the new products and services, but hasn't spent/purchased yet.

We're still deciding where we're going to move the company to. And we have lots of people giving us incentives to move to their location and set up shop.

I'll be on a junket for a month or so to look at some of those sites when my son gets home from China -- he reads/writes/speaks fluent Mandarin-- and he'll be running the company, so his input is important -- but -- None of them are in the US.

The top winner so far is a country that has already gone through the economic pain that the USA refuses to face, and is now on the upswing. GDP is growing and healthy; their economy is strong, and they have made huge strides in reducing poverty and creating a robust middle class.

It's a country with strong European bones and great infrastructure and a world-class medical system.

Employers only deduct 10% of wages for a self-directed private retirement plan, and 7% for a self-directed private market health plan. There is no "employer matching". Employees are responsible for filing and paying their own federal and state taxes.

No employer FICA withholding, SS, medicaid, etc. No burdensome regulations, paperwork, etc.

And corporate income tax is less than 1/2 of what the US wants to grab, before state income and property taxes are payable.

I was at a little get-together in McLean about a month ago, with a large number of immigrants such as myself.

All have moved their assets and companies out of the US, or are planning to do so soon -- for the same reasons I mentioned.

That money is going .... or gone ... and isn't coming back.

Conservatively, I added up a minimum of $40 mil in small business entrepeneurship/innovation has left or is leaving. In one small get-together.

Now, what is your plan to "make them pay"?

Maybe if the rhetoric wasn't so vile, people might be interested in investing here.

I listened to Obama's hectoring to the Chamber of Commerce about what business "had to do" and laughed my behind off.

Good luck with that.

Karen said...

"Even given all of it's financial problems California is the 8th largest economy in the world. The reason California is broke is because just in 2008 it sent $20 billion more to the federal government than it received. Other blue states like Illinois, New York and New Jersey paid more to the federal government than they received in benefits."
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If you honestly believe that, you're a bigger fool than I originally took you for.

Karen said...

"So why do racist posters continue to come onto Black sites and regurgitate racist crap day after day?"

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Fascinating how any outlook which doesn't parrot the failing progressive meme you've all enjoined makes one a "racist".

It's amusing, since you know nothing about me, really.

I don't have a problem with black people. I have a problem with delusional progressives of any stripe.

Field is a progressive, but he is reasonable and rational. Not everything is about race; many times it's about attitudes and factors that are more socio-economic other than race.

But at least you can comfort yourself in the belief it's all skin color.

PilotX said...

Just a quick question Karen. With no EPA how would you suggest we as a nation monitor the environmental well being of the nation? Without the department of Ed how would we monitor the well being of our students across the nation? I hear the conservative argument that education is best left to the parents and local school boards but for one this scares me because many of those proposing this have a religious axe to grind and this is all about getting rid of that evil evolution. I might go along with that idea if the educational standards were being set by educators and experts in the field of concern, for example if were talking about Texas if a committee composed of professors from UT, Rice, Texas Southern, ect. came up with the base standards and add in a few high school teachers and industry leaders we might have something. My problem begins when Billy Joe and Lucy Joe who have a third grade understanding of science want to change the curricula because the Family Research Council or the ACLJ fill up their heads with non-sense and they feel they have the right and knowledge base to change the education for all students. But I digress and await your solutions. And just for the record, I do not dismiss good ideas just because they are from someone with a different ideology.

Tony said...

that's not Helen in the picture

OK, that made me laugh hard.

PilotX said...

Uh, Karen I was not referring to you when I mentioned racist posters. You're right, I don't know you so why should I assume that just as I ask why did you assume I was referring to you?
Anyhoo you ask how do we get companies back on U.S. soil and hiring U.S. workers? It's simple, we as citizens, not the government, withhold our money until said corporation does what we want it to do. I too believe in free markets and as the largest market on the planet I think we should have a say in what we purchase and from whom. Wonder why Toyota and BMW are trumpeting the fact their vehicles are made in the good old U.S. of A? Well, they are smart enough to know that sooner or later even the dumbest among us will see that we are cutting out own throats and if we want a return to prosperity we have to do it ourselves. You're right to say Obama was laughed at but will these same corporate honchos laugh when we stand up together and say we won't buy any of your products unless you build and invest here? You want to outsource? Fine but understand we will not buy your crap. Go ahead and base your plant overseas and hope for the best because we may be slow here but we do eventually catch on. And I agree with you that the GOP should cut social services because that will bring the economic revolution we need that much sooner. If you think what is happening in Egypt is something just wait until you stop bribing Americans.

PilotX said...

"But at least you can comfort yourself in the belief it's all skin color". Ms. Karen you see this is the root of the problem as I tried to explain with the tit for tat comment. I do not see race in all matters or not even most and I would love to discuss politics, sports and economic matters without the interjection of race but the problem is that it is being injected by racist posters and trolls. As a Black man I will not let someone disrespect us without setting the record straight. The tit for tat game exists when people like yourself accuse others of being race conscious and/or myopic without seeing your own blindspots and limitations. Read some of the older posts and some of the comments by some posters that will remain nameless and see if their comments strike you as racist. So many conservative posters blame us for being sensitive and completely ignore the evidence that we may be correct. You seem no different than most conservative commenters I see on numerous blogs that blame people of color for being too sensitive and actually being the real racists while ignoring some of the most vile and racist comments. Go read some older posts and let me know if you think some of them are racist towards Black people and maybe then we can have an honest discussion. Get rid of that type of crap and we can talk politics and economics all day long with no distractions. I would actually like that.

maria said...

pilotx, karen is an old poster. a racist teabagger. she's come back for whatever reason. maybe she's really no-slapz, who seems to have disappeared.

uptownsteve said...

I'm just sitting here in the bleachers watching Pilot tee off.

BAM!!!!! There goes another one!

Roderick said...

uptownsteve said: Karen is a Polar-Bearilla with no man.

You mean she's a white version of Alicia Banks

Karen said:If you honestly believe that, you're a bigger fool than I originally took you for.

Let's see. Texas which has had a Republican governor since 1995 and a Republican dominated legislature for even longer has even longer yet they have a budget deficit projected to be between $10 billion and $25 billion.

Florida, where I live has had a Republican governor since 1999,the Republicans have dominated the state legislature since 1996, Florida has no state income tax, and very business friendly environment yet the unemployment rate was 12% for December.

Go figure.

PilotX said...

Uh Maria, is there any other kind of tea bagger?;-) But I can't just dismiss them outright because they did vote against the P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act so maybe they aren't the worst thing to happen.

maria said...

well, i know one. m. r, who is black. she's def. not a racist and sometimes posts here.

what i meant was that karen isn't a new poster.

i can't forgive the patriot act vote when she also wants to eliminate the EPA. who cares if you're wiretapped when you've fucking burned to death thru global warming, or drowned?

uptownsteve said...

Roderick,

It's all right here for KKKaren if she's truly interested in facts.

http://www.attorneycenter.org/hey-blue-staters-are-you-sick-and-tired-of-subsidizing-red-state-welfare/

Anonymous said...

uts, "Hey LAA and FP just for the record....

Karen is a Polar-Bearilla with no man."

How do you discern that certain bw and ww who have a mind of their own have no men? It sounds like you only approve of women, Black or White, who remain silent or at least agree with every word you say. Back in the 60's & 70's they called you a male chauvinistic pig.

What do they call jerks like you today? Well, I'll leave that to the women to decide. AB seems to have a laundry list of names for you. lol They ALL seem to fit you well, too.

Anonymous said...

maria, "i can't forgive the patriot act vote when she also wants to eliminate the EPA. who cares if you're wiretapped when you've fucking burned to death thru global warming, or drowned?"

i can't believe a nice Catholic Italian girl like you used the word "fucking".

maria said...

i am not a girl and i am not catholic and that happens to be one of my favorite words.

Anonymous said...

FP, "Anon 9:49pm-

i, too, am laughing like crazy at the way Pastor Manning keeps saying castration, er excuse me, neuter. LOL. you know, i have not yet successfully made it all the way through a single video of his. will you PLEASE help me understand why he and other preachers talk like that?! i really need to know. i get a case of the giggles that results in tears. is he serious? when he throws that little chubby hand up with the wedding band-another bout of giggles. does he talk to his wife like that? LOL. i know i know, i need to stop. for real though, HE CRACKS ME UP."

Isn't he a hoot? Like you, he brings me to tears laughing. His video builds and gets more outrageous as it progresses. Sometimes I think he is putting me on, but I realize that he is serious, and it makes me laugh even more. He reminds me of the country preacher from a small town somewhere in Arkansas.

He does speak some truth about our folks but he sounds so funny telling it. Black comedians are missing a wealth of material. LOL

west coast story said...

I am so tired of cheese eating negroes whining about black history month. No one gave us anything. A black man started black history month as a celebration of black accomplishments. If we didn't have it, you'd be complaining about how mainstream America ignores black contributions. Because if Black History Month did not exist, black accomplishment would be ignored. The fact that black people are too stupid to know that Black History Month grew out of Black History Week, which was created by Carter G.Woodson, a black man, is evidence of how much we do need black hisotry month.

All black people do is whine and complain about anything and everything. Black people have now managed to be victims of Black History Month. Nothing makes you happy unless it's a new way to be a victim. We are afraid of and threatened by everything. If we were a single person, we would have to be instituionalized for paranoid schizophrenia.

Anonymous said...

Maria, "i am not a girl and i am not catholic and that happens to be one of my favorite words."

Oh Lawdie! Pray AB doesn't read this.

uptownsteve said...

Oh geez, they're coming out of the woodwork.

"I am so tired of cheese eating negroes whining about black history month"

Earth to WCS.

It was white teabagger Karen who whined about Black History Month.

Anonymous said...

I really don't appreciate some of you Negroes like uts calling Karen names. I will let Rev Manning know how you Negroes are acting. When he finishes telling you black people about yourselves and how ashamed he is to be a bm, you will wish you were never born.

Anonymous said...

WCS, I have missed you and your insightful comments. Where have you been? Did you move?

As you can see, uts is still the idiot he has always been. In fact, he has gotten worse. That's what happens to a deteriorating brain which didn't have much to begin with.

uptownsteve said...

Anon

"How do you discern that certain bw and ww who have a mind of their own have no men? It sounds like you only approve of women, Black or White, who remain silent or at least agree with every word you say. Back in the 60's & 70's they called you a male chauvinistic pig."

As usual you have it backwards.

Whether it's protofemmes like FP and LAA, or racists like Karen and No Slappz, or Toms like you and BigMac, if you think that you are going to freely slander, demonize and stereotype black folks, I am serving notice that I for one will be up in yo ass.

Plain and simple.

If you want to debate civilly, I'm all for it.

But people like you just come here to vent your anger and resentments and AMAZINGLY resent any challenge or retort.

As we used to say back in Boogie Down..."Don't start no $hit, won't be none."

Anonymous said...

I liked how 'Karen' will inherit a fantastically useful company with plenty of assets. It is quite nice that the Duchy of Grand Fenwick has the exact wonderfulness so dreamed of by those who beleeverate in the fwee market. It is almost if the country was founded by "if we assume that...."
Though, I confess my surprise at the Duchy of Grand Fenwick speaking Mandarin.
The curious inability of 'Karen' to read a budget is troubling. How can one be an actual businessperson and not a basement-dwelling teenager without basic mathematical concepts? Oh, the subsidizing of the South and West is one of very long standing. I suggest that 'Karen' read up on the Founding Father, George Washington about subsidies to Western interests.

PilotX, kudos

Mold

Anonymous said...

I think the Corpulence of Jersey received the award for putting icky workers in their place. Uppity drones. How dare they set aside their own pay for Social Security, Medicare/medicaid and protective regulations. Why, that money is actually the owners...and they know best what is best for the best thing in the World.

Mold

Anonymous said...

Summary of today's contributions from PilotX, UTS, and that Maria girl:

"We don't want to hear anything that contradicts our predetermined viewpoints."

"Any white person that disagrees with us is a racist!"

"Any black person who disagrees with us is a Tom!"

"We are free to use made up facts, dispute anything to the contrary, demand proof, and then ignore the proof provided."

Anonymous said...

uptownsteve said... "As we used to say back in Boogie Down..."Don't start no $hit, won't be none."

what a dick. a limp one at that.

Mack Lyons said...

Steve, I don't see how you deal with these folk. The only thing that unites them is their extraordinary hatred of you, myself and others willing to call them out on various issues. You're never gonna please these folk. Probably not a good idea to please them, either.

"The top winner so far is a country that has already gone through the economic pain that the USA refuses to face, and is now on the upswing. GDP is growing and healthy; their economy is strong, and they have made huge strides in reducing poverty and creating a robust middle class.

It's a country with strong European bones and great infrastructure and a world-class medical system.

Employers only deduct 10% of wages for a self-directed private retirement plan, and 7% for a self-directed private market health plan. There is no "employer matching". Employees are responsible for filing and paying their own federal and state taxes.

No employer FICA withholding, SS, medicaid, etc. No burdensome regulations, paperwork, etc.

And corporate income tax is less than 1/2 of what the US wants to grab, before state income and property taxes are payable.

I was at a little get-together in McLean about a month ago, with a large number of immigrants such as myself.

All have moved their assets and companies out of the US, or are planning to do so soon -- for the same reasons I mentioned.


Which country is that? Ireland? I heard it was going the whole "austerity" route: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/8187576/Irelands-austerity-budget-puts-the-squeeze-on-public-sector-workers.html

"That money is going .... or gone ... and isn't coming back. "

Those jobs aren't coming back, either. Is that a good thing for the American economy? I doubt it.

"All black people do is whine and complain about anything and everything. Black people have now managed to be victims of Black History Month. Nothing makes you happy unless it's a new way to be a victim. We are afraid of and threatened by everything. If we were a single person, we would have to be instituionalized for paranoid schizophrenia."

It's amazing how much Whites whine about Blacks whining about Whites. This sort of fixation isn't good for one's health.

BTW, you left out a "t" somewhere in "institutionalized". Just wanted to throw that out there.

PilotX said...

@anon 1506, show me EXACTLY where I stated I don't want to read any viewpoints that contradict my own. In fact I wait with interest to the answers to my questions. A white person that disagrees with me is a racist? Like whom do you speak of...show me proof.
Now on to your best line about making up my own facts. Show me ONE instance I made up a fact. What was I wrong about or is this just hyperbole because you dislike the X man. Put up or shut up. If you can't prove your point it is pointless right?

Anonymous said...

uts, "Whether it's protofemmes like FP and LAA, or racists like Karen and No Slappz, or Toms like you and BigMac, if you think that you are going to freely slander, demonize and stereotype black folks, I am serving notice that I for one will be up in yo ass."

You still didn't answer the question. Again, HOW DO YOU DISCERN WHO ARE HATERS OF BM AND WHO ARE RACISTS? CAN YOU GIVE SPECIFIC EXAMPLES, OR IS THE QUESTION TOO HARD FOR YOU?

Btw, Rev Manning a bm is ashamed of bm like you. He would call you a bunch of nice so nice Negro names. I am starting to laugh just thinking about it. And, he would be speaking the truth about you. LOL. You are such a clown.

Why don't you try to get up his ass? When it comes to NOT LISTENING TO EACH OTHER, you two would be a good match...lol

Mack Lyons said...

"Now on to your best line about making up my own facts. Show me ONE instance I made up a fact. What was I wrong about or is this just hyperbole because you dislike the X man. Put up or shut up. If you can't prove your point it is pointless right?"

X, these anons don't care about any of that. They just want you riled up so either you won't be able to think with a clear, calm mindset or you shut down and shut up. It's how they roll.

Fuck those people. Keep running rings around these bozos like you usually do.

Rottnkid said...

i know one thing. i've learned a lot by reading todays comments..

Anonymous said...

Mack Lyons, "It's amazing how much Whites whine about Blacks whining about Whites. This sort of fixation isn't good for one's health.

BTW, you left out a "t" somewhere in "institutionalized". Just wanted to throw that out there."

You say the same things on every thread. Don't you get tired of saying the same words like a mindless parrot?

You really need to come up with something new, dummkopf. Btw, WCS is not White. I am constantly amazed that you are unable to discern who is Black and who is White. You, UTs and PilotX are some pathetic black folks...you are the kind that Rev Manning claims are not worth a shit.lol

Mack Lyons said...

"You still didn't answer the question. Again, HOW DO YOU DISCERN WHO ARE HATERS OF BM AND WHO ARE RACISTS? CAN YOU GIVE SPECIFIC EXAMPLES, OR IS THE QUESTION TOO HARD FOR YOU?"

"BM"? There's that abbreviation again. It's almost as though you're scared of typing out "Black men". It doesn't take up that much time or space to type out.

As for the discernment, Black folk have been denigrated enough by forked-tongued individuals such as yourself to know when they're geniunely concerned with Black progress and when they're being verbally stabbed in the back. Like the whole "BM" thing. Pardon if I'm reading too much into this, but here goes. The first thing that comes to mind to most people when that abbreviation is used is the word "BOWEL MOVEMENT". One has to wonder if you're covertly associating Black men with human fecal matter....

"BM", "BW"....I'm sorry. I'm not going to verbally and mentally condense Black women and men into abbreviations that take away the full impact of their humanity. That's been done too many times in the past. Yeah, yeah, I know FP and others use "WW" and "WM", too. Still, it just doesn't sit right with me at all.

"Btw, Rev Manning a bm is ashamed of bm like you. He would call you a bunch of nice so nice Negro names. I am starting to laugh just thinking about it. And, he would be speaking the truth about you. LOL. You are such a clown."

Check my previous post about Manning. I'll take a listen to him at some point tonight and give my thoughts on this or another blog post.

uptownsteve said...

Anoymous,

Calm down son. It's only a messageboard.

Jeez.

"You still didn't answer the question. Again, HOW DO YOU DISCERN WHO ARE HATERS OF BM AND WHO ARE RACISTS? CAN YOU GIVE SPECIFIC EXAMPLES, OR IS THE QUESTION TOO HARD FOR YOU?"

First off pantload, that WASN'T the question.

You orginally asked:

"How do you discern that certain bw and ww who have a mind of their own have no men?"

As to your second question, it's easy enough to determine who the bigots and bm haters are.

Those who make stupid assed remarks like "if employers want hard working industrious workers, they won't pick bm (fp)" or "He is a "real" Reverend who speaks the truth about how sickening and embarrassing Blacks can be."

Is it clear now or do I write it in crayon for you?

Anonymous said...

Mack Lyons, "X, these anons don't care about any of that. They just want you riled up so either you won't be able to think with a clear, calm mindset or you shut down and shut up. It's how they roll."

Mack you are imagining again. Did you take your medication today? make sure you take the right amount.

Mack said, "Fuck those people. Keep running rings around these bozos like you usually do."

OMG! you really are sick. Please go lie down. Take a rest. PilotX couldn't run circles around a dog. lol

uptownsteve said...

Mack Lyons.

Right on.

Anonymous said...

"you would like a dick, wouldn't you faggot boy?"

Anonymous 3:16 PM is a homophobic piece of FILTH.

Google the Rev Manning. I believe you will find that he has a FELONY conviction in his past.

LACoincidental said...

You know what bothers me -- given that we've watched Egypt chase out a tyrant after 30 years of rule, Tunisia doing the same a few weeks before, the British protest over ridiculous tuition hikes and the French taking to the streets over cuts to their national pension it makes you wonder when Americans are going to stand up and be counted?

The rest of the planet is 'taking it to the man' and we just let Obama cut a ridiculous tax deal so Lil Wayne and T.I. can post bail for the next two weeks. We allowed the Marlboro Tangerine become speaker of the house.

We sat silent as we let a ignorant bunch Medicare recipients in Tri-corner hats scream down single payer healthcare, and watch as they try to overturn the few good things we got out of HRC.

We let the banks off the hook. Why weren't we protesting in the streets for help in the mortgage crisis.

We continually allow the President, Congress and the military to lie and scam us into two un-winnable wars.

The sad part is that we can fix all these problems and don't need to set ourselves on fire or storm the White House (although a few foolhardy folks think that's exactly what we need to do). Unlike Egypt, our leaders aren't preventing us from voting.

When are we going to demand our leaders listen to us? When are more than corporate fat cats and flat earth morons vote?

Right now, only corporate America, the military industrial complex and the most crass, myopic and outright stupid (on both sides of the aisle, but mostly the Right) are willing to demand what they want.

The rest of us sit around and bitch.

Sorry, but thinking about what Egypt was able to do (force out a dictator) makes me sadden that in free nation, we get so little done.

Anonymous said...

Mack Lyons, "As for the discernment, Black folk have been denigrated enough by forked-tongued individuals such as yourself to know when they're geniunely concerned with Black progress and when they're being verbally stabbed in the back. Like the whole "BM" thing. Pardon if I'm reading too much into this, but here goes. The first thing that comes to mind to most people when that abbreviation is used is the word "BOWEL MOVEMENT". One has to wonder if you're covertly associating Black men with human fecal matter...."

No, I was not 'covertly' associating bm with bowel movement, although Rev Manning has certainly called some of you irresponsible bm exactly that. However, the thought never occurred to me until YOU mentioned it. Thanks for pointing that out about "bm". It's rather comical. Are you and Rev Manning related or maybe attended the same black school for the self-righteous? lol

Anonymous said...

LAC, "You know what bothers me -- given that we've watched Egypt chase out a tyrant after 30 years of rule, Tunisia doing the same a few weeks before, the British protest over ridiculous tuition hikes and the French taking to the streets over cuts to their national pension it makes you wonder when Americans are going to stand up and be counted?"

Lac, this is America. we don't do shit like that, esp Blacks and you know it. As a bm, YOU need to question your thinking...GET A GRIP.

Anonymous said...

LAC, "We let the banks off the hook. Why weren't we protesting in the streets for help in the mortgage crisis.

We continually allow the President, Congress and the military to lie and scam us into two un-winnable wars."

Sounds like you are a progressive liberal black dem who has lost his way in America. We live in a capitalistic society.

That means the money makers rule the system. It's always been that way; it's set up to function that way...Obama and Congress and the corporate world understand that, why can't you? Where have you been?

PilotX said...

@LAC, Americans by and large have been bought off. Sure, we're cheaper than our European sisters and brothers but one day we'll get the message. SS, food stamps and the few safety nets we have to prevent the average joe from falling into complete poverty keep the rioting at bay for now. If more tea baggers get into office and actually get their wish and all forms of social programs are cut then you will see the uprising you are calling for. There's a reason companies pay for advertising, it works. My bet is most Egyptians aren't hooked on tv as much as we are. It may take a while but the scales may fall from our eyes but we have a long history of cutting our own throats, for example look at the love for Walmart even though the majority of their products are made in China(full disclosure: some posters here believe most products sold at Walmart are made in America). This is one reason we should elect more tea baggers and Republicans, let's get the revolution going.

PilotX said...

Also LAC, you know that updating our Facebook pages are more important than affordable college tuition and a thriving middle-class. I hate to co-sign anon but where do you think you live?

uptownsteve said...

LAC

"We sat silent as we let a ignorant bunch Medicare recipients in Tri-corner hats scream down single payer healthcare, and watch as they try to overturn the few good things we got out of HRC.'

Ain't THAT the truth!

mellaneous said...

Field I feel you about Black history month. But you know it used to be a week. And it was significant because at the time there was no mention of black folks or Africans in the history books. Their/our accomplishments were completely left out of the history books and US culture for that matter.

Many black folks during those times really thought that black folks had not done anything of significance and were embarassed that they were of African descent.

That week may not seem like much now, but when Carter G Woodson launched it meant a lot. And it went a long way toward establishing black consciousness and gave us as a race the confidence to fight and eventually over turn Jim Crow.

Anonymous said...

Umm...how about the idea that most TeaBaggers/wingnuts are 'poor me' drama queens? They only know enough from skool to claim they am victim and it was the studious black chile that done victimerated them.

'Mericans used to riot. Read any history of union efforts not wiped from the buttocks of a wingnut welfare draft-dodger and you see that we have indeed endured mass killings of those seeking redress. More than a few were women and children...just because those icky folks weren't gawd-fearn' christians.
Part of it stems from the ideer that bush was a heroic and brave leader, leaderating from well behind the lines of VietNam. Or st reagan was so studly, playing the role of 'dancing boy' for those equivalents of the Founding Fathers. Or Cheney heroically and bravely accepting multiple deferments.

We are gamely hanging on by eating with credit card debt and hoping the home equity loan we used to pay bills won't be called. When the options run out and wingnuts are still calling on us to sacrifice for the greater good of continued profits...maybe we'll French Revolution a few economic weasels. Wonder how much they likes stealing from widders n orphans?

Mold

obi1wenthome said...

Black History Month has become a joke. We know get to hear Miss Anne and the Man express how they feel about experiencing our blackness. Or they lecture us on how to get over being black and how to be more of a human being.

Like Dr. King's birthday, the whole thing has been commercialized. It is digusting.

Looking to share some Black history with your children? Get Kadir Nelson's We Are the Ship. It is a magnificent children's book about the Negro League. The illustrations are breathtaking.

Oh, and remember the story Audre Lorde's mother told her: Lorde's mom was pushing her down the street in baby carriage. Little white girl saw baby Audre and remarked to her own mother "Look Mom, a baby maid."

Anonymous said...

Odd, if wingnuts don't win...they call others names. Was there a 'wingnuts allus wins' clause to this blog? Unlike the Ds of Congress, most folks prefers them the Facts and the Truth. If'n you don't likes them, go to a wingnut blog and daisy chain each other.

Mold

mellaneous said...

Pilot X ditto brother. You are really lucid today.
Pilot X said:
"LAC, Americans by and large have been bought off. Sure, we're cheaper than our European sisters and brothers but one day we'll get the message. SS, food stamps and the few safety nets we have to prevent the average joe from falling into complete poverty keep the rioting at bay for now. If more tea baggers get into office and actually get their wish and all forms of social programs are cut then you will see the uprising you are calling for. There's a reason companies pay for advertising, it works."

And brother the solution lies in what the Egyptian working class is doing. WE the people know what we want given the opportunity we could and would organize a just society that would allow everyone to have their due.

And your response to Karen ( who Maria is right about) was on the mark as well.

"I do not see race in all matters or not even most and I would love to discuss politics, sports and economic matters without the interjection of race but the problem is that it is being injected by racist posters and trolls. As a Black man I will not let someone disrespect us without setting the record straight."

uptownsteve said...

Mellaneous,

I goes even deeper than that.

I went to a Jesuit Catholic grammar school and I'll never forget a 5th grade project from Sister Jacinta requiring us to do a report on a Saint. I asked if I could do a report on St. Martin De Porres because he was black. My aunt had given me a book on his life and I was excited about his story.

Sister looked at me and said, "Steven there were no Negro Saints."

Even after I submitted the report with illustrations, no apology or acknowledgment of wrong.

Just a snide expression and resignation.

A person of the church.

uptownsteve said...

Anonymous

"Lac, this is America. we don't do shit like that, esp Blacks and you know it."

Maybe you never heard about that Civil Rights Movement thang.

Pretty revolutionary.

Anonymous said...

fields place, where the unemployed hang out and banter about nonsensical crap that has no impact on the lives of black folk and everybody knows your name....

LACoincidental said...

UTS, PilotX and Anon -
I'm fully cognisant of our capitalist system and the tools the powerful use to distract us. Hell, we're using one right now (no offense, Field).


That means the money makers rule the system. It's always been that way; it's set up to function that way...Obama and Congress and the corporate world understand that, why can't you? Where have you been?


That's the point Anon, we have a history of taking on the powerful. As Mold pointed out - labor reform and the New Deal came about because folks were out in the streets, much like Egypt. The Civil Rights Act had just as much (if not more) to do with the work and sacrifice of MLK and Malcolm X than LBJ signing it into law.


It was massive groundswells that gave us many of the progressive reforms and electing competent leaders who cared more about their job than the next election we benefit from today.

"Power concedes nothing without a demand." - Frederick Douglass

mellaneous said...

Steve I feel you I have heard those stories before.

A member of my church was raised in a white Lutheran church where her pastor at the time told her that Jesus was white. And according to her he wouldn't budge on it and added that God was white as well.

Black History month seems to have served its purpose, but many of our young people are as clueless today as we were in yesteryear.

Its still true that if you don't know where you come from you're likely not to know where you are headed.

Oh and there is nothing racist inherently or otherwise in learning about and celebrating ones heritage.

PilotX said...

Ok, no more picking on FB even though it is evil. But seriously social media was a factor in the uprisings in Tunisia and old Kemet. This will also be the undoing of alot of the conservative principles in effect here. by conservative principles I do not mean in the political sense I mean in the original definition of the word. My buddy is an economics professor and has a blog http://econprofaj.blogspot.com
and we discuss economic boycotts and their effectiveness. After listening to the owner of Jimmy Johns shops get reamed by a conservative host for wanting to move his headquarters to Indiana from Illinois because of increased taxes (he asked if he expected his former employees now jobless to buy his sandwiches). That was insight into the future. We are fed up with people who operate like Karen, educate their children in our country/state, use our police/fire and military to protect their profits and then abandon their country/state to make more profit. This comes down to what LAC suggested and it isn't too hard. We put on out FB page or whatever that we will no longer support X brand because they relocated and left people unemployed. This type of thing can go viral and no amount of advertising can stop this movement once it starts. It may seem good at first when these companies relocate but when they meet the wrath of the trillion of dollars in American spending power my bet is they will come running back to our shores. Just look at the media blitz by the Fire Fighter's union and their fight they are taking to people like Chris Christie. This ain't rocket science, whenever we get fed up enough this will change. Sign on to the future, if these fat cats take away our jobs we take away their profits. Hear that Karen?

uptownsteve said...

mellaneous

Ethnic celebrations were all the rage when I was coming up in NYC.

Italian this. Irish that.

Polish this. German that.

Jewish this. Slavic that.

Seems it only became "divisive" when black folks got rhythm.

mellaneous said...

-LAC I agree with this statement completely. Of course you know I have making this point all along, while some folks have been extremely hostile towards my dream of a just society.

Change never occurs without a fight or a struggle of some sort. Eventually the Obama's are not going to suffice and we average folks are going to have to take to the streets just so humanity can survive. Oh yeah the day is coming!

LAC said-

"labor reform and the New Deal came about because folks were out in the streets, much like Egypt. The Civil Rights Act had just as much (if not more) to do with the work and sacrifice of MLK and Malcolm X than LBJ signing it into law.

It was massive groundswells that gave us many of the progressive reforms and electing competent leaders who cared more about their job than the next election we benefit from today.

"Power concedes nothing without a demand." - Frederick Douglass"

alicia banks said...

mareally miss anne:

how dare u bash any type of euro wig when bfs only wear them to get the same attn from nappy headed wigless black men that u do!!!

the arrogance of your brazen white supremacy is surpassed only by your arrogant ignorance!
____

karen:

welcome back!

i missed u!

peace

http://aliciabanks.xanga.com/732752506/tom-joyner---hobamas-favorite-masochistic-minstrel/?page=1&jump=1517661358&leftcmt=1



http://www.amazon.com/Thats-Angry-Mob-Mom-Talk-Radio/dp/1596986190/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1297461439&sr=8-1

mellaneous said...

touche Steve touche

Steve said:
"Seems it only became "divisive" when black folks got rhythm."

PilotX said...

Also the FN blog is a place to plant the seeds of revolution. I disagree that it is just a distraction. Where else can revolutionary brothers from all over the world meet? If Denmark Vessy had a blog like this he would have had much more success. Imagine sisters and brothers like Harriet Tubman, Nat Turner, Mariah Stewart, ect. all able to throw ideas off each other. Can't blame new revolutionaries for not living in the times of slavery or Jim Crow.

PilotX said...

Tell it Steve, Mack and Mell!

alicia banks said...

fp:

ditto

but i love pastor manning

when he is not being insane/sexist/colorist/homohating etc like most preachers/buybull hucksters

he does indeed drop much science!!!

ie

see his best work at my channel
always

http://www.youtube.com/user/aliciabanks?feature=mhum

ie

pastor manning was telling truths about hobama and his gentrification of america long before blacks were being moved out of american cities etc

http://aliciabanks.xanga.com/733479129/hobamas-elitist-gentrification-of-america---the-re-emergence-of-psycho-ward-connerly/

&

he crucifies clones of uts and maria incessantly!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erL6BtXJJHQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtuarbauFSA

LACoincidental said...

OK, so how to sow the seeds? I'm a project leader, I go from idea to implementation, and in the corporate turnaround must be quick and efficient. What can we do to turn this from a bitch fest (again no offense Field) to vehicle for change.

alicia banks said...

pastor manning has been clairvoyant re hobama

just as cornel w & harry b & tavis s etc...

Estimates put the remaining African American population for the city of San Francisco at around 3.9 percent! I hope that is just a low-ball estimate and those numbers will be revised upward, but still, my question is how did we get to this point?

Why are we leaving this city in such droves? Why isn’t City Hall doing more to stop the mass exodus of African Americans from this city? There was “The African American Out-Migration Report” commissioned in 2009 by Mayor Gavin Newsom’s office and the San Francisco Redevelopment Agency, but there has been little in the way of policies by either of the two to stem the tide. If this was taking place with any other ethnic group, a citywide state of emergency would have been declared.

http://sfbayview.com/2011/black-population-drops-to-3-9-in-san-francisco/

Mack Lyons said...

What does anyone make of this:
http://firedoglake.com/documents/hb-gary-email-dam-it-feels-good-to-be-a-gangsta/

To wit: A consultancy of some sort was hired by the Chamber of Commerce to presumably work on the image of the chamber. One of these tasks include the hiring of a "social media SME":

experienced in social media link analysis. Personna development. Content management. Social media exploitation techniques.

"Social media exploitation techniques". Hmmm.....

http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2011/02/11/hbgary-fees-dam-it-feels-good-to-be-a-gangsta/#comments

Anonymous said...

Ah, I see AB is back.

The dog must have finally gnawed that pork chop off from around her neck and quit playing with her.

mellaneous said...

Pilot X you are right about Facebook.

I think what Karen said about her company and how they were going to decide wherae to locate speaks volumes about the real values in this country.

Karen is playing by the rules of the free market. Of course she should shop her company around and find the deal that is going to be most profitable for her country.

She is correct to do this by the standards of captalist business.

However the business community tries to make the average worker believe that they and the worker are in this together, so to speak. When of course nothing could be further from the truth.

WE are not the same people. That is the ruling rich, the bankers the corporate heads, the captains of industry and the rest of the non-producing class of parasites, are not the same as the average worker or average citizen.

They wave the flag while picking our pockets!

Business is concerned about the profit motive, period. They are not concerned about country first, or God, or goodwill or any of that other nice touchy feely stuff they spew in commercials.


Bottom line is that no matter how much we want to believe it, business especially Big Business doesn't care about the average person. We are only important as consumers and workers.

But what folks like conservatives and some liberals try to do is make us believe that while business gets dollars handed to them and get to eat from the federal trough that it is poor workers many who through no fault of their own are struggling to make ends meet are the problem.

Its just a game. They try to make you look in the direction of the poor while all the while the rich and their cronies are running off with the goods.

Its a great game because the US working class continues to buy it. Its what the conservative anons and others spew on a regular basis. Its the poor who are robbing you, they say, while trying to take even more from the poor to give to the rich.

alicia banks said...

cannibal pig assnon:

profundity trumps pork

your mindless posts will never be bacon herein.

alicia banks said...

hilarious vdlr:

a proudly illiterate vulgar brain dead turbo breeder like u telling anyone they are NOT profound is akin to hobama telling anyone they are not honest/authentic/afrocentric/noble/brave/humane...

ha!!!

Anonymous said...

Umm...why do assume 'Karen' is a female, a parent, a business owner, or aware of what 'she' claims? The words are simple boilerplate. Like the talking points off a list.

If it was all about the taxes, all businesses would have moved to low-tax areas...like Somalia or Afghanistan.
So, they are not being...exactly honest...about why they move.
If it was all taxes...NYC, Philly, and Chicago would be ghost towns. What is depopulating are the Real Mericas of Sarey Palin. Who wants to suffer in a burg that where the pay is dreck and has the area has nothing to do and the elected/appointed leader is the Mean Cow from High School whose daddy ran from Texas the moment the State passed the 'No Teacher Sex with Student Law'?

Mold

Mack Lyons said...

"Ethnic celebrations were all the rage when I was coming up in NYC.

Italian this. Irish that.

Polish this. German that.

Jewish this. Slavic that.

Seems it only became "divisive" when black folks got rhythm."


At one point or another, these ethnicities were all shat on by the so-called "WASP" (White Anglo-Saxon Protestant). These people eventually "blended in" by intermarrying with WASPs, papering over or playing down their ethnic heritage. Being the same skin tone as the WASPs helped out tremendously, too.

Soon enough, the Italian/Polish/Jewish/Slavic/German/Irish heritage ceased being a threat to WASPs and become innoculous enough that celebrating it became relatively harmless, just as long as there weren't any strong, ethnic/nationalist celebrations going on. Since the aforementioned melted into the WASP collective and became "Americans", that wasn't gonna happen on their end anyways.

On the other hand, WASPs have spent so much time and energy on keeping Negros seperate in as many social arenas as possible, that when Negro ethnic celebrations happen, the WASP shit their pants out of fears of the Negro gaining enough ethnic/nationalist fervor to start making demands. And bashing together WASP skulls.

WASPs fear Black folk celebrating their ethnic differences, yet they seem content to use those differences to exclude Blacks from as many social arenas as possible. Boggles the fucking mind.

Mack Lyons said...

"But what folks like conservatives and some liberals try to do is make us believe that while business gets dollars handed to them and get to eat from the federal trough that it is poor workers many who through no fault of their own are struggling to make ends meet are the problem.

Its just a game. They try to make you look in the direction of the poor while all the while the rich and their cronies are running off with the goods.

Its a great game because the US working class continues to buy it. Its what the conservative anons and others spew on a regular basis. Its the poor who are robbing you, they say, while trying to take even more from the poor to give to the rich."


Spot on, mel. Spot on.

Anonymous said...

you people are morons.

poorly educated, puppets on a string morons, waiting for your socialist revolution.

idiots

PilotX said...

@ LAC, I gather you are active in your community, so am I . What we do is what all activists do, compare ideas and grow the most interesting/successful. I won't go into much detail here as this is the wrong forum but in the larger context it works like this. I am a member of a social media site, I put as my status "X company is outsourcing/leaving and I will no longer buy their products" or start one of those like pages and get maybe 100 hits, you do the same, someone else on here does the same and added up we get 1,000 people to do what we suggest. Those 1,000 people know some folks. You're to young to remember but it's like the old Pert shampoo commercial "I told two friends and she told two friends and so on and so on and so on". It doesn't even have to involve a corporation it could be "buy American, check the lable" or "tuition at X school is too high". Post a youtube, you know this stuff better than an old man like me. I'm not saying Chicago will look like Cairo tomorrow but every revolution started as an idea somewhere. Populism isn't dead, just look at the Tea Party.
Mell, you are correct that Karen wants to maximize her profit by minimizing costs but capitalism is a two way street. If she wants to ignore the world
s largest market then she will do so at her own peril. For example, Walmart wants to locate stores in Chicago and New york. They can/will make huge profits but they don't want to play by those city's rules so in the end who is really being hurt? Same thing we as buyers tell corporations, you want our money you play by our rules. The way I see it it's a win win, you get access to a large market, we get good jobs and anothe source of goods.

field negro said...

OK, so how to sow the seeds? I'm a project leader, I go from idea to implementation, and in the corporate turnaround must be quick and efficient. What can we do to turn this from a bitch fest (again no offense Field) to vehicle for change."

Start in your own communities. Volunteer to help youth organizations, become a mentor. For those of you who can afford it; give money to causes you trust.

And communicate. I am here in Philly. La~ is on the left coast UTS is in Md. and so on. Folks read this blog from all over who are doing some great things here and oversees. I know because they e-mail me. They don't comment because they choose to be lurkers.But folks are out there doing the damn do.

Don't worry about the haters who leave comments and try to discourage folks. They are always going to be out there.

PilotX said...

Right on Field!

alicia banks said...

fn:

hobama has crusaded to save white male banksters

and hobama is still robbing poor black mongrel fans as he does so..

and hobama is prez/the global blackish nask of a new white imperalism


so...
is pastor manning's powerless periodic harmless insanity truly any worse?

http://aliciabanks.xanga.com/733047926/hobamas-africom--afri-con---the-african-american-mask-upon-the-new-world-order-inside-africa/

Og said...

Whats really a trip is how everyone gets on this blog and try to out talk or use bigger words then the next person. What I see is that there is not one way to think Black or be Black. I read a lot of opinions and they all have some merit we do not have to all think a like or share the same veiws.Maybe we overcame and just did not realize it , words are just words and opinions everybody has them. I do not say much because I know that someone will have something negative to say but I think all you all are wonderful and have your own thoughts and that is what yall should focus on. Stop dising each other or at least agree to disagree.

Anonymous said...

I read the letter you posted carefully. There were some comments made by the author I found as status quo isms of racism, including all races. I also felt the writer was authentically attempting a dialogue with you, with his own purpose of understanding what your mission here is. After I read your response, I just felt disappointed that his effort, however you may frame it, was sadly shot down without true understanding of the small steps people sometimes must take to move forward. In your response to the writer, the sarcasm, blaming posture, the degrading comments you made, were not congruent to this man's honest attempt to express his frustration though willingness to add something positive to his perspective. I don't believe this writer will make much of an attempt again. He made himself vulnerable to you because he apparently believed you were the real thing, a true seeker of peace. You let him, and those of us who do seek understanding and movement to higher ground, down. You are a race baiter. What you did was to attack an honest effort, with relish, not to proove you are equal. But to make a clear statement as to your superiority. This is the very nature at the heart of racism. You acted out the basis of being racist, with a sort of malicious glee. What you have written here, what you do here, will not enlighten, inform, hold accountable or result in anything constructive or healing where racism is concerned. You don't print the obvious haters comments; you did print this man's struggle to understand, though you seemed to take pride in shaming him for his attempt. Shame on you, for your prejudice disguised as activism. Shame on you for posing as someone who cares about racism when what you are really wanting is a forum to project your flagging self-esteem onto others and then beat them up for participating. Yours is a narcissistic endeavor, carefully constructed based on your beliefs and having the ability to manipulate what people say as proof that you are right. You aren't. You hurt people just as all racists hurt people. You are a perpetrator of racism and it's continued scarring of the face of our entire world. You will fend off these comments quite succesfully, because this is what you do to hide behind your own sinister motives, to make it the issue of other people, split off your own terrible racism, refusing to allow your owning your own racial anger. I'm sorry you hate yourself, and punish others for the misery you inflict upon yourself. I'm sorry you will not print this, because it does expose you. And I don't believe you will risk that.

Anonymous said...

I read the letter you posted carefully. There were some comments made by the author I found as status quo isms of racism, including all races. I also felt the writer was authentically attempting a dialogue with you, with his own purpose of understanding what your mission here is. After I read your response, I just felt disappointed that his effort, however you may frame it, was sadly shot down without true understanding of the small steps people sometimes must take to move forward. In your response to the writer, the sarcasm, blaming posture, the degrading comments you made, were not congruent to this man's honest attempt to express his frustration though willingness to add something positive to his perspective. I don't believe this writer will make much of an attempt again. He made himself vulnerable to you because he apparently believed you were the real thing, a true seeker of peace. You let him, and those of us who do seek understanding and movement to higher ground, down. You are a race baiter. What you did was to attack an honest effort, with relish, not to proove you are equal. But to make a clear statement as to your superiority. This is the very nature at the heart of racism. You acted out the basis of being racist, with a sort of malicious glee. What you have written here, what you do here, will not enlighten, inform, hold accountable or result in anything constructive or healing where racism is concerned. You don't print the obvious haters comments; you did print this man's struggle to understand, though you seemed to take pride in shaming him for his attempt. Shame on you, for your prejudice disguised as activism. Shame on you for posing as someone who cares about racism when what you are really wanting is a forum to project your flagging self-esteem onto others and then beat them up for participating. Yours is a narcissistic endeavor, carefully constructed based on your beliefs and having the ability to manipulate what people say as proof that you are right. You aren't. You hurt people just as all racists hurt people. You are a perpetrator of racism and it's continued scarring of the face of our entire world. You will fend off these comments quite succesfully, because this is what you do to hide behind your own sinister motives, to make it the issue of other people, split off your own terrible racism, refusing to allow your owning your own racial anger. I'm sorry you hate yourself, and punish others for the misery you inflict upon yourself. I'm sorry you will not print this, because it does expose you. And I don't believe you will risk that.

alicia banks said...

kidding:

why does it vex you so much more that i call hobama a ho than the fact that he actually is a corp ho does????

Anonymous said...

A part of black history is the story of Toussaint L’Ouverture from Haiti who fought against the French oppressors and the slave trade. A dramatized clip of his last moments in prison is found here: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2468184/ This is from the film “The Last Days of Toussaint L’Ouverture.”