I think Mr. Bumbles meant that the Law-yer is an ass.
Stay with me. I am giving you the following little anecdote for a reason.
Today I am getting on the elevator on my plantation with an African American security officer who works with me. There was a well dressed young lady (she seemed to be in her early thirties) in the lobby with us, and she walked behind us to the elevator. The guard and I got on, but girlfriend stopped short. The guard, to his credit, held the door open, looked out at her, and asked her if she was going up. (The elevator only went up, we were on the first floor and this elevator does not go down.) The poor child got on and seemed both embarrassed and terrified at the same time. Face pressed against the door; never looking back even once; even when the guard tried to make small talk with her. (Oh field, stop it, maybe the poor girl was afraid of elevators. Ever though of that Mr. Racism Chaser? ) So anywhooo, turns out the young lady was a lawyer and she was going to my floor to have a hearing in front of one of my colleagues. -I was kind of hoping it was me.- Hey, not that I would not have been fair to her client. Unlike Radio Rwanda, I really am "fair and balanced". I never let personal biases or outside influences affect my decisions. Strictly by the book for the kid. It just would have been interesting, that's all I am saying.
So I tell this story about this young lawyer to tell you another one about future lawyers at one of A-merry-ca's finest legal institutions. Sadly, my friends, even those among us who are supposed to be "enlightened" can't seem to shake themselves from the shackles of bigotry and ignorance.
The following *article is by Kashmir Hill writing for AboveTheLaw.com:
"Every time you put something into an email, please remember that someone you send it to may hit Forward. If your email makes the case for a biological reason for racial disparities in intelligence, someone might hit Forward and send it to Black Law Student Associations across the nation.
That’s what happened to a Harvard 3L yesterday. We’ll call this 3L CRIMSON DNA. According to our sources, DNA made some controversial comments about race at a dinner held by the school’s Federalist Society. CORRECTION: This dinner was not an official Fed Soc dinner. [FN1]
After the dinner, DNA felt the need to send an email to a few friends clarifying those views. Here’s an excerpt:
'I absolutely do not rule out the possibility that African Americans are, on average, genetically predisposed to be less intelligent. I could also obviously be convinced that by controlling for the right variables, we would see that they are, in fact, as intelligent as white people under the same circumstances. The fact is, some things are genetic. African Americans tend to have darker skin. Irish people are more likely to have red hair.'
One of the 3Ls to receive that email, available in full after the jump, was very upset by it. We’ll call this student CRIMSON OUTRAGE. OUTRAGE arranged for the email to be sent out to the Harvard Black Law Student Association list-serv, including DNA’s name and the fact that after graduation, the author will be doing a federal clerkship.
After that, the email went viral, apparently circulating to BLSAs across the country. There are now plans to try to go after DNA’s clerkship….
UPDATE: We’ve added a statement from the president of the Harvard Federalist Society below, a statement from Harvard BLSA over here, and a statement from Dean Martha Minow over here.
We got the email multiple times last night, from lots of first-time tipsters horrified that a person at Harvard Law School with a federal clerkship offer in hand holds such views. The person sending out the email to the Harvard BLSA wrote:
I am saddened that a current HLS student holds such antagonistic and archaic views about our people and that the potential impact of her ignorance is only strengthened by her prestigious affiliations and credentials." [Article here]
A "federal clerkship"? Oh Lawd! O man, please do not select that Judge this person will be clerking for to the supremes. Although, to be honest, I bet they would feel right at home in Washington.
*Thanks for the story, "A". ;)
116 comments:
One wonders what this "genetic predisposition" might be? In which chromosome or one what gene might such an elusive and mythical expression be found? [smacks forehead]
This crap is from a Harvard student. I wonder, what was Dipshit DNA's educational background prior to law school? I certainly didn't include much science.
One thing's for sure. He didn't get this far along without others knowing what his views are.
No, the email is not "racist" its patronizing, the author is racist.
Filled Negro:
1) Thank you. You just reminded me that I need to update my series "Racism That Wasn't" series on my "The Parallel Hood" blog. This does the opposite of what you did did with the elevator. It sets up a scene where ME as a Black man has his feelers at full attention to seek out RACISM only to find out that, for example DE WHITE MAN HELD THE DOOR FOR ME.
My Black neighbor employing a WHITE MAN to cut his lawn........(In Georgia!!! Laurel) http://parallelhood.blogspot.com/2009/07/racism-that-did-not-happen-white-man.html
2) Can I ask you a question Filled Negro: What makes a private e-mail made by this ignorant law school student who has no scientific qualifications or evidence at his disposal WORTHY of entry upon the illustrious "Filled Negro Blog" but the question of Chicago needing National Guard troops to protect the Black folks did not make the cut?
What does this WHITE law student have that the average "Hip Hop Voice Of The Racist Street Pirate" album that is released every Tuesday into Best Buy NOT HAVE?
I guess DNA has never met a Tea Party member. If she had she'd know that dumbasses come in all races.
http://newsone.com/nation/news-one-staff/harvard-law-students-racist-email-gains-national-exposure/
This is a picture of that demon-possessed harvard law student. I think I'll do a little e-mail forwarding myself.
Field,
off topic, pardon me, but your HFN award is a coveted prize. I nominate all of us in Arizona who are protesting that hateful new immigration law. That's HFN behavior, if you ask me....
Keep it up.
J Bass
Tucson
I'd like to know the name of the judge she is suppose to have a federal clerkship with,if he/she knows how this girl thinks, and if they are of the same opinion.
People of color already have to deal with the lopsided scales of lady justice. Woe unto people of color if they have to deal with her. Smh!
I'll say, some of these white folks need to get over themselves. Evidently, she doesn't know any blacks folks other than the mugshots that MSM loves to highlight and bombard us with.
CF:
Do you believe that you are genetically inferior in intelligence compared to whites? Because this is what she is saying. That does apply to you as well, since you are an alleged black man.
Devil's advocate: When you fwd an email, most email programs allow you to alter the text.
I'm just saying that to say I don't usually take fwd emails that seriously. But I do believe this one is legit. This does not surprise me. There are people who actually think black people are genetically less intelligent. Even some whites who so willingly accept that the human race all started out black and in Africa. I don't trust some of them either. On the same token they can use that very theory for their argument by saying they "evolved" and we didn't. You can't win with some of them.
As for Ms. elevator, I once experienced a white male literally grabbing his white girlfriend closer to him for dear life as I walked going the opposite direction to them. It was a huge hotel hallway and there was plenty of room between us for a full car pass through. It's like he did it as if he thought there would be "trouble" if she so much had caused wind to brush up on my elbow, or as if I would have knocked her down for walking close to me, like I was some kind of female brute.
I hate how ignorant bigots can make you feel sometimes.
I'm gone. Have a blessed and victorious what is left of the day and peaceful dreams.
@ FN:
I confess...I was guilty of thinking the same thing as the new clerk...however, in reverse...
You know it's so important to confront our biases and try to remove them...and one of my biases has always been stupid white people...
It's difficult for me to remove these biases when you read somethig like this....
And...
As for stupid black people...:(
Peace.
~agape2010~
[quote]CF:
Do you believe that you are genetically inferior in intelligence compared to whites? Because this is what she is saying. That does apply to you as well, since you are an alleged black man.[/quote]
Granny: You know I love you right?
There are, what? 200 Million WHITE FOLKS in this country.
If we subtract out the White women who are dating or married to a Black man JUST IMAGINE what would happen if YOU were triggered to respond to something that some WHITE PERSON said that offended you Granny.
If you were forced to individually address an e-mail to all 200 Million WHITE FOLKS - you would be one busy soul.
You see Granny - I DEFINE MYSELF by what is between my two ears. Since this person's opinions were not based on SCIENCE and he/she did not provide any evidence I struggle to understand how ONE WHITE PERSON'S EMAIL has risen to such importance to you.
Do you see the POWER that WHITE FOLKS have over you Granny?
What about the Blacks who are in the Digital Divide and thus won't read that e-mail or the Filled Negro blog that spread the news? Will THEY feel INFERIOR about the opinions of this ignorant White person if they never got a chance to read this news?
I simply don't have the time to CHASE as you might.
Sorry - not interested in hanging my self-consciousness out for someone else to validate me.
Now when my WIFE says something about me (Snoring, smelly sneakers) that does hurt a bit Granny. Tell her to stop it. Have her consider my feelings.
[quote]You know it's so important to confront our biases and try to remove them...and one of my biases has always been stupid white people...[/quote]
Agape:
What about IGNORANCE that does not span racial lines? Is this as important to snuff out to you?
I am not sure "confronting biases" is as important as DEMANDING scientific and transparent PROOF, reminding this person that since he/she is in an ELITE, Euro-centric center of learning that the Ivy League is that they should be committed to a higher level of evidentiary standard than which is allowed in the LESSER schools that many who support Affirmative Action for admissions into these elite, mostly White schools, turn their noses up at.
I can't understand why this person would ever think that any Black people believe in the constructs of "superiority and inferiority". What does he/she read? "The Crisis" magazine as the model to learn about Black folks and our damaged state due to Slavery?
@ CF:
"Agape:
What about IGNORANCE that does not span racial lines? Is this as important to snuff out to you?"
Sunff out...?...Not sure I like that term....
But to answer your question...in a word...no.
To convince a fool against his will...leave him of the same opinion still.
(wise old man :)
Peace.
~agape2010~
FN: Believing that there are such things as genetic differences is holding "antagonistic and archaic views"? How enlightened.
And you can appparently read the minds of young female lawyers? Nevermind the fact that if there is one thing females need to fear in A-merry-ca, it's black males. Maybe not ones in $900 suits or security service uniforms, but fear of black males is certainly rational. And perhaps being on an elevator with you is not such a treat. I'm sure that chip on your shoulder is probably more apparent than you think.
Perhaps Anonymous @ 12:42 could enlighten us all on the genetic evidence for suggesting that whites are more intelligent than blacks.
This should be fun.
Gregory said...
"Perhaps Anonymous @ 12:42 could enlighten us all on the genetic evidence for suggesting that whites are more intelligent than blacks.
This should be fun."
Who said any thing about that? A bit insecure are we Gregory? The point of all this hysterical hand-wringing is that some lines of inquiry are forbidden. Do you believe that postulating that there might be genetic differences between populations beyond consideration?
"Intelligence plus Character - that is the goal of true Education".
Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
"An Educated person is one who has learned that information almost always turns out to be at best incomplete and very often false, misleading, fictitious, mendacious - just dead wrong".
Russell Baker
"An Education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't".
Anatole France
"Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance".
Will Durant
Anony,
I am postulating that you have no evidence whatsoever, just the usual red herring that "some lines of inquiry are forbidden".
Keep going, I am ready to enjoy the show.
CF "What does this WHITE law student have that the average "Hip Hop Voice Of The Racist Street Pirate" album that is released every Tuesday into Best Buy NOT HAVE?"
What's the sound of one hand clapping?
You need look no farther than one of CF's strings of repetitive posts.
The above quote is the perennial juxtaposition of concepts that is common to his polemics.
Dialog with him is useless; and, when cornered, a response is as absent as his willingness to discuss a topic without, at some point, introducing his idealogical predisposition.
Harvard harbors racist students despite reaching out to poor minorities. A very well known physics professor has publicly declared that women and ethnic minorities (along with some Jews) are not as intelligent as white people. I won't link to him because I don't want traffic to go to his site but he's a real asshole and he has POWER over grading students of color who take his courses etc. Similarly when someone like this gal who is going to be in a policy enforcement and interpretation position shows their biases along racial lines, clearly she is not fit to be an arbitrator of justice in any sense.
How sad.
However, I also concur with CF. This person is a total nobody whose function seems to be to remind us that academic racism is still alive and well...I suppose.
Gregory said...
"Anony,
I am postulating that you have no evidence whatsoever, just the usual red herring that "some lines of inquiry are forbidden".
Keep going, I am ready to enjoy the show."
Evidence for what? There was no explanation of what "DNA's" original comments were, only that they were offensive to the recipients. It is not my claim that blacks are superior or not, only that certain topics and opinions are taboo. I do not ascribe to the one statement acredited to the offender, but I certainly believe that it is at least possible that there are statisticaly significant differences between distinct genetic populations for any number of traits. And that an institution of higher learning should not hold that there are beliefs that need to defined as heresy.
You are quite the empty suit, and I am not here to entertain pretentious phonies. Play on with the other poseurs. Good night Gregory.
Anonymous, you are certainly right that some topics are taboo in academic literature. Intelligence is one such topic. One reason, though, is how it is defined or NOT. Differing populations place value on different things and IQ tests still have bias. I took the Adult IQ test I think it was called Weischler test or something a few years back. They showed me a picture of a boat and asked me to label its parts. Although I'd been sailing and my husband showed me what the parts of the boat were called, I drew a blank because I don't sail on a normal basis. I also wondered about people who had absolutely NO idea what the part of the boat was called but that were not unintelligent by any means.
Before intelligence can even be quantified, it has to be defined all must universally agree on its definition.
I find it interesting how Mozart is viewed as a musical genius but Duke Ellington and Billy Eckstine are deemed talented musicians. The only thing that separates these geniuses is their ethnic background because all three men were wonderful composers and musicians. I think there is a strong societal bias when it comes to the words intelligent and smartness.
CF "You see Granny - I DEFINE MYSELF by what is between my two ears. Since this person's opinions were not based on SCIENCE and he/she did not provide any evidence I struggle to understand how ONE WHITE PERSON'S EMAIL has risen to such importance to you."
Do you see the POWER that WHITE FOLKS have over you Granny?"
Do you, on the other hand, see the several assumptions inherent in your post?
First, you imply that Granny, unlike you, doesn't define herself by her intellect.
Second, you imply that one's intellect should predominate in one's self-definition.
Third, you imply that you know the level of significance with which Granny viewed the "e-mail".
Third, with no more proof than that which you concocted "between [your] two ears," you concluded that white folks have power over Granny.
You used Granny's response to one e-mail, and made several untenable assumptions regarding how she develops her self-definition, the extent with which she regarded the e-mail, and the power that all whites have over her.
You can't presume for Granny. You can only presume for yourself.
Koan:
First of all - how do you do those things with you "o"?
I liked your second post better. Did what most people on this blog don't do - USE MY ACTUAL WORDS in your argument against me. Thank you.
Now you need to work on you being correct in your analysis.
Do you notice that you put ME ON TRIAL rather than justifying GRANNY'S REACTION, defending it?
Again you have the "Filled Negro" disease. How did this law student who registered for a Gmail account just like YOU have the POWER to create an "International Incident" per the standards of AfroSpear? I actually thought that my great-grand children's lives were put in peril by this ignorant email for just one microsecond. Then I realized that this was just the effects of the allergy tablet I had taken a few minutes prior kicking in.
Koan I can imagine you walking down the street past every White person and asking yourself "Does he love me? Did he even look at me to VALIDATE me as a human being?".
[quote]Dialog with him is useless; and, when cornered, a response is as absent as his willingness to discuss a topic without, at some point, introducing his idealogical predisposition.[/quote]
IDEOLOGICAL PREDISPOSITION????
Maybe this is my CONSCIOUS PREDISPOSITION at work Koan. (Now you have me motivated to go an pull up an ASCII chart and figure out that 'o' character. Damn - then I have to figure out the key combination on how to produce it in Windows)
You see Koan I was on a conference call today with mostly WHITE FOLKS. I have two WHITE FOLKS on team along with a guy from Vietnam. We gave a dry run through of a presentation prior to releasing it. The panel of critics said that it was crap. An all WHITE panel criticized ME and my team!!
I had to ARCH MY BACK to these WHITE FOLKS and tell them that THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT!!
While it was true that two of my team members screwed up and did not emphasize the points that they were coached upon and thus gave the impression that was felt by the board - the bottom line was that it was up to ME - a Black man who WILL PUNCH MELLANEOUS IN THE NOSE IF HE CALLED ME "The Least Of These" to my face to DEFEND MY POSITION to these WHITE FOLKS who stood in judgment of ME through the content that was presented!!!!
At the end of the session I told my team where they had screwed up in the delivery and how we had 3 weeks to get ourselves together. I later received an e-mail from the WHITE FOLKS on the panel telling us that we needed to make the changes per the statements DEFENDING our position in the "constructive feedback" session. I got them to back down because I did not allow them to run over ME. (Especially the snarky gay guy but it is not his sexual orientation that matters)
Now Koan: Just imagine if I allowed my KNOWLEDGE OF THE CONTENT OF THIS IMPORTANT PRESENTATION to be solely judged on this "White Death Panel's" opinions? If, a Black man, allowed the "Least Of These" inferiorities that some believe I should cleave to to color my interaction with these WHITE FOLKS? The people on my team and everyone on the call listening in would have sensed that I was putty in their hands and that someone else's OPINION was enough to DEFINE ME!!!! They would have made us start totally over and possibly found a "less pigmented person" with "more intellect" to take the lead.
I stand by my words Kaon. Though this narrative above was "all about ME" the fact is that it is relevant to this discussion. I can't be bothered with the IRRATIONAL notion that I need to constantly CHASE AFTER someone who is a NOBODY besides their white azzed skin!!
This is INSANE.
"Koan I can imagine you walking down the street past every White person and asking yourself "Does he love me? Did he even look at me to VALIDATE me as a human being?".
This is called projection. You cannot be serious.
"You see Koan I was on a conference call today with mostly WHITE FOLKS. I have two WHITE FOLKS on team along with a guy from Vietnam. We gave a dry run through of a presentation prior to releasing it"
Koan, let me translate for you:
I am a special Negro. I work with white folks, I only live around white folks, and my kids go to all white schools. :) Funny guy that Destructive Wingnut. But I love him. I need him to validate everything I believe about these types of Negroes, and he never fails me.
"Maybe not ones in $900 suits or security service uniforms, but fear of black males is certainly rational. And perhaps being on an elevator with you is not such a treat. I'm sure that chip on your shoulder is probably more apparent than you think."
Yep, that black man in the suit and the security officer (in a courthouse no less)will get you every time. God forbid the chip on my shoulder falls off and lands on her toes. I bet that would hurt. :)
J Bass, I feel you on the HFN thing. Keep fighting the good fight in the land of the sun. You have your hands full.
[quote]I am a special Negro.[/quote]
Actually, Filled Negro - it is quite the reverse.
I REFUSE to be looked upon as the "Talented Tenth". In fact I REJECT this notion lumped upon us by WEB DuBois. (Come on man, the guy supported Woodrow Wilson and figured that this racist from Virginia was going to bring hope and change to Black folks as president).
The Talented Tenth leaves 55% in the middle who go with the flow and then an "Inferior Least of These 35%" at the bottom.
I told you before to only ask of ME what you would ask of any nondescript brother in Southwest Philly when you ask ME the question "What have YOU DONE in the community lately?". I will do no more for my RACE than you gin up the nerve to ASK HIM that same question for HE TOO is a member and has one "Black vote" as I do. (That is unless you believe Laurel and accept that I am a White guy sitting in Idaho who is passing).
[quote] I work with white folks,[/quote]
Actually YOU ARE WRONG again Filled Negro. The fastest growing MELANATED GROUP that I am affiliated with are the INDIAN/PAKISTANIS. Without question there are more of them in the mid-level management ranks that I interface with in the technical and business operations space.
So think about it Filled Negro - under the august leadership of the Progressive-Fundamentalist Establishment we as Blacks are being hit at the "unskilled worker" ranks by the Illegal Immigrants (don't listen to ME - check out the study from LSU http://24ahead.com/lsu-researchers-hispanic-immigration-led-rise-black-violence)
AND despite taking over our schools - there has been an insufficient number of us who have matriculated into the management ranks. The NEW BLACK is HINDI!!!
Despite this you and others retain your POWER in our communities. With the power to "self-evaluate" your own performance you claim that RACISM is the most abundant force upon the 20 year old Black's career outlook.
[quote]I only live around white folks,[/quote]
Actually Filled Negro - I was out in the front yard cutting the grass last night. There are a bunch of new people in the community.
* The mixed race black girl actually had a BROWN SKINNED BOY FRIEND. I was stunned. She used to dress Goth
* The Kappa up the street....I saw his wife for the first time. Not bad
I need to spend more time out front.
[quote] and my kids go to all white schools.[/quote]
Not at all. It is interesting that for someone who pushes diversity at Princeton and Harvard you have a problem with it at the local level.
Here is where my children go to school - along with the "Black Flight Progressives" who chose to move into an evil conservative community to fulfill their "permanent interests".
http://www.greatschools.org/search/search.page?c=school&lc=e&q=fayette+county&search_type=0&state=GA
In summary I did not move toward "White folks". I moved toward an area where my social values are upheld and my permanent interests can be expressed. Again the Black folks who are more favorable to you as they continue to VOTE in a way that is please to you - are moving this way as well. I will make sure I tell them what you think of them.
If only you where as aggressive in talking with the parents around Strawberry Mansion High about their school.
s for Ms. elevator, I once experienced a white male literally grabbing his white girlfriend closer to him for dear life as I walked going the opposite direction to them.
Are you fat and ugly? At least ugly? I mean, who wants to stand near an ugly black woman.
Laurel,
Let's play a game. I know your teeny bopper mind may not be able to do this, but how about you come up with some quotes or provide some knowledge that enlightens this board other than your quotes.
Go on...we will be waiting.
Really FN, now you can read minds. C'mon man, you are stretching.
Before intelligence can even be quantified, it has to be defined all must universally agree on its definition
All will not agree on a definition for ANYTHING.
It seems to me that intelligence as defined by race is always being discussed. In fact there has been a perfected pseudo scientific argument that all threatened white folks trot out; anytime it seems like the play on "black folks don't do well in schools" is shot down or just one of them might lose their privilege.
It is so tiresome for me, because it is not my job to educate ignorant white folk and not only is it tiresome it is downright impossible. That is why I think black folk are hesitant to engage in this so called debate.
just one of them might lose their privilege.
I would disagree, this discounts ALL white allies.
ignorant white folk
Don't forget the ignorant black folks
Broadly defined statements are dangerous in that WE become what we say we despise in others.
peace
Notice how every time a stark, incontrovertible example of white racism is presented Constructive Feedback kicks into overdrive with his "What about the Street Pirates?" buckdance?
More and more I see that BTX3 is on to something.
I think CF is a paid rightwing operative/black lackey.
Sort of like a Jessie Lee Peterson of the blogosphere.
I'm not sure why this actually gained national coverage. This is not news. Many people feel this way, especially those in elite institutions. I've been in elite institutions all my life. I'm really not sure why people are "shocked, just shocked I say."
WhiteBowieSteve:
I take it that you don't have the predilection to refute my charges of 'Non-White White Supremacy" so you start making shti up.
[quote]"Intelligence plus Character - that is the goal of true Education".
Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. [/quote]
After being told that by supporting people who 'care about our children and have their best interests in mind' for control over the city and school board......upon this "Mission Accomplished" per their portraits hanging on the wall YET the schools' results remaining unacceptable the INTELLIGENT among the masses of people who were made such a promise will begin to ask questions or should consider themselves complicit.
Constructive Feedback 2010
[quote]
"Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance".
Will Durant[/quote]
When an education system is taken over by a progressive-fundamentalist machine for the sake of power rather than with the goal of leveraging this resource to enable Black students that matriculate through the system to be raised up at least one standard deviation so that a certain portion of them no longer have to compete for UNSKILLED LABOR jobs with illegal immigrants, upon realizing how much they were duped a conscious people had better develop an organic governing body that starts to REGULATE the actions and priorities of those who CLAIM to speak for the permanent interests of the people in the political space.
Constructive Feedback 2010
Same ol' tired talking points from these so-called researchers. Didn't they milk that "Bell Curve" shtick more than enough already?
"But avoid Stupid and Foolish controversies and genealogies and dissensions and wrangling about the Law, for they are Unprofitable and Futile".
Titus 3:9 (Amplified Bible)
"Action is the real measure of Intelligence".
Napoleon Hill
"The Time is always now".
James Baldwin
I challenge ALL Gov't and Social Leaders (including Parents) regardless of their ethnicity or humble beginnings, to get off their Complacent butts and seize the moment.
Do what you were elected or appointed to do....LEAD by example!...
CF wrote:
"We gave a dry run through of a presentation prior to releasing it. The panel of critics said that it was crap. An all WHITE panel criticized ME and my team!!"
If your presentation was anything like your comments here, then this is hardly a surprising evaluation.
OT, but just check this out.
Amazing, but she blames white men for this:
http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/04/23/we-are-not-your-weapons-we-are-women/
Tee hee hee, ha ha ha
Gregory,
Man this is too funny:)
Gregory wrote:
"If your presentation was anything like your comments here, then this is hardly a surprising evaluation".
CF wrote:
"We gave a dry run through of a presentation prior to releasing it. The panel of critics said that it was crap. An all WHITE panel criticized ME and my team!!"
anon 9:05,
If to you, "ignorant white folk" are all white folk then you have proved my point.
No personal offense CF.
Just keep being you right?
NOT!
If your approach isn't working, than perhaps you might need to consider changing.
If you offend people before giving them an opportunity to check out your ideas, than you've wasted everyone's time, including your own.
Have a Blessed day all
Is it safe for a brother out here??? When will it ever end this contempt for Black folks?
Please spare me the generational excuses ..This illness continues to contaminate all age groups..
The parents of this student should indicted as well..When can we expect the Daniel Moynihan's lovers to start the pathology studies on white families???
Claustrophobia.
Elevators can be enough of a trial without two people inside.
We all carry stereotypes. Deliverance, anyone?
Mold
Well, when I first read about this, I wondered when the FN would jump all over it, and I was not disappointed.
Nor was I disappointed that the FN presented his version in a manner that was most dishonest and disingenuous, but is necessary to chum the waters. The Federalist Society has clearly stated that the 3L student in question is not a member and they have nothing to do with the issue; but it's front and center on your blog. Typical misdirection on the part of FN.
As to the premise, yes, there is a whole body of scholarly work that confirms race-based intelligence differences.
http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushton_pubs.htm
http://www.amren.com/ar/1992/11/#cover
One of the UWO studies also incorporated blacks adopted by middle class whites and found no marked improvement in intellectual ability in spite of the same advantages of their white adopted siblings.
And the "breakdown analysis" by the "Countess" at JJP had us in gales of laughter. She's no geneticist, but wades into a discussion on genetics ...and all of her premises are false, but sooth the troubled Negro mind.
As for the FN repeated assertions that he doesn't "need" reparations, again, I call BS.
What else is affirmative action, "minority recruiting", et al? The current Pretender at 1600 is the ultimate Affirmative Action hire, and it is clear he is flailing and in over his depth.
Blacks don't want equal opportunity, they want continued handicapping in their favor, because they know that on a level playing field, they can't compete.
Even the First Ass admits she wasn't qualified to attend Princeton and remains bitter about it to this day.
Likewise, the ABA continues to refuse to release the statistics of how many Blacks admitted under handicapped/minority recruiting criteria (ie: do you have a pulse) to top tier Law schools actually pass a bar exam or can compete with their peers. If it was favorable, it would be splashed everywhere. The silence tells all.
"Scholarly" work at American Renaissance?
ROTFLMBAO!!!
Bonne@Chance keep on with your superiority fantasies.
Us upwardly mobile black folks will keep on doing what we do and you master race goobers will still be pumping up the tires on your houses.
Hol' up...Back off the "Bell Curve", ch555x. Sure hope CF is a rational agnostic.
There never was a "talking snake"; Jesus was a Jewish radical; Mona Lisa was a ho' and she wore fine clothes.
Nine out of ten humans suffer inferior intelligence because they are creationists addicted to the 'kool-aid' of pimp preachers and the pope.
Bonne Chance,
Are you related to that DC comic character?
I am curious to know if your ancestors benefited from the other affirmative action, Jim Crow.
Nothing says "flame-baiting" like referencing the American Renaissance magazine as though it were a peer-reviewed scientific journal.
"Are you fat and ugly? At least ugly? I mean, who wants to stand near an ugly black woman."
Nope, but in all fairness, when I walk I usually take large steps that puts me at a faster pace, and of course I didn't have on one of those nice negro smiley faces. That alone is enough to do it.
If to you, "ignorant white folk" are all white folk then you have proved my point.
Jesus Hathor, read my words. that is not what I said, but thanks for playing.
anon 2:05
Then would you please define this statement.
Broadly defined statements are dangerous in that WE become what we say we despise in others.
I specified a specific group of people and you added others, when you said, "I would disagree, this discounts ALL white allies."
What I said was in the context of the previous sentence and there was no new paragraph.
"What else is affirmative action, "minority recruiting", et al? The current Pretender at 1600 is the ultimate Affirmative Action hire, and it is clear he is flailing and in over his depth."
If our current bumbling idiot president isn't proof enough of the harm that can be done by racial preferences, I don't know what it will take.
Michelle Obama is a wonderful example of a person who was undeservedly given every advantage because of her race (an Ivy league education, a $350 K/year job) and developed nothing but resentment for the system that had spoiled her. She will go down in history as our age's Marie Antoinette; her husband the Emporer with No Clothes.
Hathor, I am not that anon in question, but it don't take a rocket scientist to figure this one out. Better watch some Jerry Springer and get some smarts.
Hathor, I am not that anon in question, but it don't take a rocket scientist to figure this one out. Better watch some Jerry Springer and get some smarts.
What's the matter Anonymous,
You been banned from the porno shop?
anon3:39,
Then why aren't you smart enough to know that I can't read minds and quote your own statement.
Jesus Hathor, read my words. that is not what I said, but thanks for playing
What words do you speak?
It also is not rocket science to take a few seconds to create a fake ID, so some would be able to identify you.
I guess you just prefer fake outrage.
Damn pesky e-mail forwarding.
"She will go down in history as our age's Marie Antoinette; her husband the Emporer with No Clothes."
In your wildest wet dream!
You sure you're not confusing the Obamas with the Bushs?
[quote]If your approach isn't working, than perhaps you might need to consider changing.
If you offend people before giving them an opportunity to check out your ideas, than you've wasted everyone's time, including your own.[/quote]
My dear Laurel -
You have me all wrong.
Please allow me to assist you by assigning ROLES to help you out.
The Entrenched ESTABLISHMENT -
1950 - The Good Ole Boy Network
2010 - Those who run the Black Community
The DEFENDERS of the ESTABLISHMENT, seeking to save face and not show the "scars on the underbelly" (scars = dead Black people left in the wake of its power)
1950 - Bigoted White people unwilling to change
2010 - The Bigoted Progressive-Fundamentalists who worship the "Portraits Upon the wall" as PROOF of the advancement our community
The AGITATORS
1910 - Ida B Wells - had the AUDACITY to show that "Yesterday Another Black Man Was Lynched" in order to trigger those who are CONSCIOUS to see that all is not right in the world that some are content with their POWER
2010 - Constructive Feedback who shows that the place where some people say that we have WON per their "Mission Accomplished" signs strung between telephone poles - our interests are MOLESTED each and every day.
You see Laurel (is it possible that you are....) - there are BIGOTS within our community.
Just as it would have been FOOLISH for Civil Rights leaders to attempt to MAKE NICE with the BIGOTS of the past in order for our communities to prosper.......instead it took a ENVELOPING FORCE to come in and STRIP control from those who were myopic in their lust for POWER.....the same situation exists TO-DAMNED-DAY.
Those who have lead us to a place where THEY HAVE BENEFITED the EXTERNAL FORCE that they were working for all along have no intention of CHANGING.
My job is not to make friends with them Laurel.
My goal is to have them REGULATED by the Black Rank and File so that we are not USED any longer.
Understand?
CF "Do you notice that you put ME ON TRIAL rather than justifying GRANNY'S REACTION, defending it?"
I did no such thing. I challenged your assumptions. And that's not the same as "justifying Granny's reaction," or putting you on trial, as you characterized my response.
"Again you have the "Filled Negro" disease."
Another assumption, and an unwarranted generalization. And you're also given to hyperbole. We both know that you thought no such thing: "I actually thought that my great-grand children's lives were put in peril by this ignorant email for just one microsecond."
To think it for a nanosecond, gives more force to Field's persuasive power than even you should be willing to admit.
I believe that you feel that Field has a "social responsibility" here--to fight the "good fight" as you see it, and never to offer an e-mail that shows the depth of racism in our society, a reality with which some blacks may have to one day contend.
Better to know your enemy, and devise means to defeat him, than to live a life ignoring the possibility of an enemy, and his machinations, as you have at times suggested.
"Koan I can imagine you walking down the street past every White person and asking yourself "Does he love me? Did he even look at me to VALIDATE me as a human being?"."
Again with the presumptions. If you can imagine it, perhaps you're the one guilty of that of which you would direct toward me.
"IDEOLOGICAL PREDISPOSITION????
Maybe this is my CONSCIOUS PREDISPOSITION at work Koan."
And this appears to be the problem. You never take a day off. Your "ideological predisposition" has become your primary preoccupation--as you describe it, your "conscious predisposition."
That kind of exclusive focus on one aspect of your mental landscape can't be that healthy. Take in more of your landscape, the flowers, the trees, the beauteous sky.
"I had to ARCH MY BACK to these WHITE FOLKS and tell them that THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT!!"
That response seemed counterproductive, if "these white folks" were charged with the responsibility of critiquing your presentation.
Why have it critiqued at all, if you're convinced that "THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT!!"
"the bottom line was that it was up to ME - a Black man who WILL PUNCH MELLANEOUS IN THE NOSE IF HE CALLED ME "The Least Of These" to my face to DEFEND MY POSITION to these WHITE FOLKS who stood in judgment of ME through the content that was presented!!!!"
No need to resort to violence. What makes you think that "these white folks" stood in judgment of you, and not your presentation?
Why would you consider it as one and the same?
They may think you're one "swell guy," but that your presentation stinks.
"I later received an e-mail from the WHITE FOLKS on the panel telling us that we needed to make the changes per the statements DEFENDING our position in the "constructive feedback" session. I got them to back down because I did not allow them to run over ME. (Especially the snarky gay guy but it is not his sexual orientation that matters)"
Yet, you brought up his "sexual orientation" as though it did matter. To know this detail, doesn't advance the conversation, but you chose to include it anyway.
You perceive their (these "White Folks) criticism, and suggested changes to the presentation, as their attempt to "run over [YOU]"
Was the presentation to be a collaborative effort, or a one-man show?
And why were your offended by their suggestions? That's the real question.
"The people on my team and everyone on the call listening in would have sensed that I was putty in their hands and that someone else's OPINION was enough to DEFINE ME!!!! They would have made us start totally over and possibly found a "less pigmented person" with "more intellect" to take the lead."
Well, you sure showed them!
Of course, their suggestions were pure nonsense, and the whole exercise was nothing more than their attempt to show you who's boss, and to pass the presentation over to someone with whom they have a more favorable opinion, a "less pigmented person" with "more intellect".
Now, who's chasing what!?
"I can't be bothered with the IRRATIONAL notion that I need to constantly CHASE AFTER someone who is a NOBODY besides their white azzed skin!!
This is INSANE."
Your response to our response shows the same level of "irrationality" that you assign to us for choosing to discuss the e-mail at all.
Choosing to discuss it here doesn't say anything about anyone here. It's not a self-defining moment.
It doesn't define you, Granny, or me. Maybe, it defines you, but not the rest of us.
We're content with that. You chose to take it a step further, and in so doing, said more about yourself than, I'm sure, you would want us to know.
Yeh UTS, the one your momma sucks the cream from my big ole cock at. Didn't want to bring it up, but you had to mention it. Teeth out or teeht in, she's a winner.
We're content with that. You chose to take it a step further, and in so doing, said more about yourself than, I'm sure, you would want us to know.
Perfectly said.
[quote]I believe that you feel that Field has a "social responsibility" here--to fight the "good fight" as you see it, and never to offer an e-mail that shows the depth of racism in our society, a reality with which some blacks may have to one day contend.[/quote]
I like you Koan!!!!
Do you mind if I "net net" your argument.
I, a Black man, need to be made CONSCIOUS of the RACISM that Black people face each and every NANOSECOND in this WHITE RACIST nation and world!!!!
Until the time comes when I, a Black male, gets more in touch with the DAMAGE that I suffer from WHITE SUPREMACY and RACISM - my words are to be considered INFERIOR by you.
Koan - I get the feeling that if you (possibly not a Black person) were to do a "Scared Straight" program upon me YOU WOULD take me into the most poor, depressed and dysfunctional Black community and DEMAND THAT I CONNECT WITH THESE PEOPLE.
As I look out my front window (What are you wearing CS - jeans, shirt off, sitting on the floof of the living room of my OWN DAMNED HOUSE) looking out the window I see 3 houses across the street with 2 of the 3 owned by BLACK FOLKS.
Why Koan wouldn't you get some other Black to COME WHERE I LIVE as evidence of how Black folks are living so that they can connect with ME?
A RACIST seeks to MURDER or ASSAIL Blacks
A RACIST seeks to suppress the education of Blacks
A RACIST seeks to destroy the economic power of Black people
A RACIST seeks to undercut Black personal relationships and infect us with harmful diseases.
Koan - what on this list is not an injury that can't be sustained by someone other than a RACIST in 2010?
Yeh UTS, the one your momma sucks the cream from my big ole cock at. Didn't want to bring it up, but you had to mention it. Teeth out or teeht in, she's a winner.
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wow while the girls are dishing it out on the Gates post, the guys are dishing it out on this one. FN I love your blog!!!!
Dear Field Negro,
You wisea$$ ingrate.
While being black is not itself an undesirable trait, it may be an indication of other traits which are.
The problem is that people rarely distinguish between the two, and hence, if they (correctly) reject the former – counting a person’s color as itself an undesirable trait – they are likely to (incorrectly) reject the latter along with it, and hence will automatically consider taking color to be evidence of other (undesirable) traits to also be racist; which it is not.
CF "I, a Black man, need to be made CONSCIOUS of the RACISM that Black people face each and every NANOSECOND in this WHITE RACIST nation and world!!!!"
Only if you believe that there's a benefit to being aware.
Knowing the strategy, and the mindset of the enemy allow for a defensive posture and a counter-offensive.
Now, if you believe that the enemy is not plotting against you, and have no counter-strategy in place to undo you, then you can ignore said enemy, but you do it at your own peril.
"Until the time comes when I, a Black male, gets more in touch with the DAMAGE that I suffer from WHITE SUPREMACY and RACISM - my words are to be considered INFERIOR by you."
Not inferior, just naive.
You won't acknowledge that there's a war going on. And you attack those of us who seek out the enemy, and prepare ourselves for the next assault.
You, on the other hand, don't seem willing to admit that a struggle is taking place, although you indicate that possibility with the following statement:
"Now Koan: Just imagine if I allowed my KNOWLEDGE OF THE CONTENT OF THIS IMPORTANT PRESENTATION to be solely judged on this "White Death Panel's" opinions? If, a Black man, allowed the "Least Of These" inferiorities that some believe I should cleave to to color my interaction with these WHITE FOLKS? The people on my team and everyone on the call listening in would have sensed that I was putty in their hands and that someone else's OPINION was enough to DEFINE ME!!!!"
This statement presupposes a knowledge of the enemy, and the means necessary to preempt an attack, as well as the way to succeed against overwhelming odds.
But you'd take that away from the rest of us--this edge, this ability to confront the enemy and win, by observing his behavior, his attitudes, and his weaknesses.
"Koan - I get the feeling that if you (possibly not a Black person) were to do a "Scared Straight" program upon me YOU WOULD take me into the most poor, depressed and dysfunctional Black community and DEMAND THAT I CONNECT WITH THESE PEOPLE."
I would never ask the impossible.
Because you can't "connect," you can't offer viable solutions. You think you can, and in that lies the tragedy inherent in your limitations.
"Why Koan wouldn't you get some other Black to COME WHERE I LIVE as evidence of how Black folks are living so that they can connect with ME?"
Not necessarily!
I would want them to know, instead, the value of fighting, not to win the material gains that this country has to offer, but to "connect" with their manhood and womanhood, a connection that comes because they have chosen to engage the enemy, not capitulate.
"A RACIST seeks to MURDER or ASSAIL Blacks
A RACIST seeks to suppress the education of Blacks
A RACIST seeks to destroy the economic power of Black people
A RACIST seeks to undercut Black personal relationships and infect us with harmful diseases.
Koan - what on this list is not an injury that can't be sustained by someone other than a RACIST in 2010?"
Not one of these "injuries" can be sustained by the racist. They're only "sustainable" to the degree that we believe the war is winnable, or is a lost cause.
Too many of us feel that the war is lost, and have given up "winning" for short-term success--power, money, prestige, what have you--by aiding and abetting the enemy, or by being co-opted, or by going over to the other side.
Where you err, is that you believe that you can win the war with the weapons at your disposal.
These weapons provide the appearance of success at the expense of real success--where we, as a people, are exercising real autonomy over our actions, leading to favorable outcomes, not only for the short-term, but for the indefinite future.
@ Realist:
"While being black is not itself an undesirable trait, it may be an indication of other traits which are."
What might some of those undesirebale traits be...?
And....
Do undesireable traits of a person come in conjunction with a perosn's color...?
Example: If you are white you may be prediposed to the undesirable trait of thievery.
Peace.
~agape2010~
[quote]Knowing the strategy, and the mindset of the enemy allow for a defensive posture and a counter-offensive.[/quote]
Koan:
You totally missed the opportunity to open your eyes based upon the opening I gave you.
IS IT POSSIBLE that I am FULLY AWARE OF WHO MY ENEMY IS?
Instead of a SKIN COLOR that enemy is a SPIRIT that expresses itself in a certain manner - to the detriment of the people who I am concerned about.
First my main enemy is IGNORANCE and BIGOTRY and HATRED.
Koan - these express themselves WITHOUT REGARD TO THE RACE OF THE ASSAILANT as:
* The KILLING of Black people to intimidate the individual and the community
* The SUPPRESSION OF EDUCATION because the enemy realizes that a community that is fully equipped the the tool of organized knowledge will start to dislodge his grip upon them
* The ASSAULT UPON LOCAL ECONOMICS because they realize that a sufficiently financed community will prosper
* The ASSAULT UPON THE RELATIONSHIPS AND HEALTH because a weakened people is a dependent people who can be made to work against themselves.
IF ONLY Koan and others would see that there IS NO SKIN COLOR that is permanently assigned to our ENEMY and instead started fighting the SPIRIT - they would stop their "Mall Cop" behavior.
MALL COP = a store security guard that is so filled with BIAS that he will focus upon scrutinizing the person who he FIGURES is prone to shop lifting, while ignoring the people who ARE shop lifting. In fact as he returns from his patrol of the outside of the building and sees a person with a WHOLE ARM FULL OF STOLEN CLOTHING - he will open the door for them saying "Let me get that door for you young lady. I don't want you to hurt yourself. We appreciate your business". Since this person did not fit his profile she sneaks away.
The mall cop is a slave to his own bigotries and the store that he is minding is better to FIRE him.
la-audiobooks, you wrote:
As for Ms. elevator, I once experienced a white male literally grabbing his white girlfriend closer to him for dear life as I walked going the opposite direction to them.
Black paranoia working overtime, again.
You have no idea what is passing through the minds of other people you meet by chance in hotel hallways. No idea whatsoever.
Nevertheless, it appears that blacks believe themselves to be mind-readers.
Unfortunately, this unusual and remarkable talent is noticeably absent when it is needed most -- when it comes to blacks intuiting the approach of a murderer.
I really liked your post. sanagt petrified me in search of knowledge.
gregory asks:
Perhaps Anonymous @ 12:42 could enlighten us all on the genetic evidence for suggesting that whites are more intelligent than blacks.
Well, how about the record of human history?
When it comes to intellectual advancement over the centuries, the record shows a flood of input from whites and asians, and virtually nothing from blacks.
Physics, chemistry, biology, mathematics, etc.
Then there are issues of organizing societies. Are there any successful black nations in the world?
Are there any prestigious black universities that are recognized for groundbreaking research in any area that matters?
Are there any world-class manufacturers in black African nations?
Every year in Africa the death toll from drinking dirty water is about FIVE MILLION.
In Europe and North America the number is close to zero.
IQ tests may have their place with respect to assessing individuals for specific purposes. Like it or not, IQ tests depend on specific knowledge and thinking skills that can be practiced. All good stuff, but not the most relevant factor for assessing group differences.
Asians have a history of being inventive. Non-muslim whites have a history of being both inventive and ocassionally brilliant.
But -- globally -- blacks and muslims are not even in the game.
no_slappz, I gave you credit for being a serious thinker in another thread. Sadly, after reading what you wrote above, I will have to rethink that position. Start getting out your history books and reading.
field:
no_slappz is a female. She likes to go around on black blogs dismissing blacks as dumb people, she really believes that she is superior to us black folks in intelligence. BTW, she has a couple of tag team friends, also, I can't think of their handle right off hand, but this is what she and them do.
It wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't her that wrote that e-mail because that's her style and way of thinking. She thinks that black folks are the scum of the earth. BTW, you are so right when you said she needs to pick up a history book, but due to her bigoted way of thinking she probably thinks that would be beneath her to learn anything positive about black folks and she would only deny it ever happened.
She is really what my friend over at Beulahland and a few others in cyberspace called her.
fn,
It's more likely you need to check the history books for evidence -- actually, the absence of evidence -- of black academic achievement.
In science there are virtually NO black names. Physics? Zero. Chemistry? Zero. Mathematics? Zero.
Moreover, when it comes to Nobel Prizes in science, math and economics, only one prize has been won by a black. One winner in Economics. That's it.
AS I said, IQ tests have limited value. The real test resulst are found in the record of achievement.
When it comes to the intellectual factors that are foundation of prospering countries, those factors are found in white and asian countries, but not in black or muslim countries.
One group suffers as a result of its devotion to the hoax of a religion and the other suffers from something that looks like it is genetic.
The surest proof of racism in sports is the fact that today, in most sports, most of the records are held by blacks who had previously been unfairly blocked from participation.
In the game of brains, if blacks are equal to whites and asians, then we should see real-world proof.
The best proof would appear in the form of a black nation with an advancing, knowledge-driven economy.
Inasmuch as Nigeria has the oil to finance education and everything else, by now it should have become the Norway of Africa. Instead, it is a mess where half the people are still waiting for indoor plumbing and electricity.
These problems are internal. Political, social, intellectual.
"It's more likely you need to check the history books for evidence -- actually, the absence of evidence -- of black academic achievement."
Nah, actually, it is you no_slappz that needs to pick a book and read. Oh I forgot, you think blacks are beneath you and anything positive that they do, you would deny or dismiss because you are so full of hate. I don't feel sorry for you and that's bad when I don't feel any compassion for a person.
Mathematics
David Blackwell, J. Ernest Wilkins, Albert T. Bharucha Reid, George O. Okikiolu, Ronald Mickens, and Charles Bell, Etta Falconer, Percy A. Pierre, Clarence Stephens, Adegoke Olubummo, Raymond Johnson, Idris Assani, Johnny Brown, Nathaniel Dean, Carl Graham, Overtoun Jenda, and William Massey.
Physics
Francis K. A. Allotey - received the Prince Philip Gold Medal Award for his Soft X-Ray Spectroscopy known as "Allotey Formalism"
Oliver Keith Baker - Hampton professor gets 2002 Bouchet awatd
Robert Bragg - developed methods of quantitative x-ray diffraction and small angle x-ray scattering
Charles S. Brown - Lucent Technologies Physicist also promotes development of Physics in Africa
Edward Alexander Bouchet - first Black Ph.D. in Science (Physics, Yale University, 1876)
Peter J. Delfyett - in 2004, one of the 50 most important Blacks in Research science
Peter J. Delfyett - in 2004, one of the 50 most important Blacks in Research science
James Davenport - Chair of the Department of Physics at Virginia State University
G. O. S. Ekhaguere - Mathematical Physics in Nigeria
Robert A. Ellis - early pioneer in plasma physics
Sylvester James Gates - first winner of the Americal Physical Society's Bouchet Award.
Roscoe Giles - physicist turned computer scientist- in 2004, one of 50 most important Blacks in Research Science
Larry Gladney - University of Pennsylvania Particle Physicist
Meredith Gourdine - averaging a patent a year since 1971 including the Focus Flow Heat Sink, used for computer chip cooling.
Carlos Handy - Columbia U's first Black Ph.D. is at Clark-Atlanta U
Warren E. Henry - has been called the greatest African American Physicist
Stacy Hill - Johns Hopkins Applied Physics Labs
Wendell T. Hill III - University of Maryland Director of Atomic, Molecular and Optical Sciences and Engineering Atomic Physics
John McNeile Hunter - pioneer in bringing Physics to African Americans
Samuel Elmer Imes - 2nd African American to receive a PhD in Physics (University of Michigan 1918) did fundamental research important to Quantum Theory
Keith Jackson - Lawrence Berkeley lab Physicist is new Presidenst of NSBP
Shirley Ann Jackson - first Black woman MIT Ph.D., now President of RPI
Anthony M. Johnson - chair and distinguished professor at New Jersey Institute of Technology
Clifford Johnson - extremely research active mathematical physicist on leave to USC
Joseph Johnson - Bouchet award winner and researcher in fluid and plasma physics
Abede Kebede - At NCAT works to provide long distance learning to the African Continent
Stephen C. McGuire -.Southern University strong researcher
Cynthia R. McIntyre - co-founder of the organization National Conference of Black Physics Students
Ronald E. McNair - the physicist/astronaut who died in the Challenger accident
Francis Mensah - Ph.d. from University of Benin will get a second from Howard U.
Ron Mickens - Clark-Atlanta U Professor has published more than 100 papers
Willie Hobbs Moore - first African American Woman Physicist
Harry L. Morrison - Berkeley professor and researcher
Alfred Msezane - Cark-Atlanta U. winner of 1999 Bouchet award
Homer A Neal - High Energy Physicist and University President. Winner of 2003 Bouchet Award
Christopher Njeh - medical physicist, co-author a co-author of two books, 10 book chapters and 45 papers
Robert Johnson Omohundro - 40 papers, 2 patents no Ph.D.
Percival Perry - Antiguan born laser physicist
Arlie Petters - against gravity in 8 years, from MIT Ph.D. to Princeton professor to a named chair at Duke U.
Phillip Phillips - winner of 2000 Bouchet award
Walter E. Massey - From Physics to President of Morehouse
rthur BC Walker - famed solar physicist and x-ray astronomer. Chaired the presidential commission that investigated the 1986 space shuttle Challenger disaster.
Cardinal Warde - MIT world leading expert on materials, devices and systems for optical information processing
Donnell Walton -
Warren M. Washington - one of the first developers of atmospheric computer models
James E. West - Acoustic Sciences inventor of the pnone chip
Eric M. Wilcots -
Herbert Winful: Arthur F. Thurnau Professor at the University of Michigan
J. Ernest Wilkins, Jr. - mathematician & nuclear physicist & engineer; member the National Acdemy of Engineering
James E. Young - Professor Emeritus of Physics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology; thesis advisor of Sylvester James Gates and Shirley Ann Jackson!
Carl Spight - 1971 Princeton Ph.D. is Chief Scientist at Jackson & Tull
James Stith - director of Physics programs in the American Institute of Physics
Julius Henry Taylor - author of The Negro in Science, (Baltimore, MD: Morgan State College Press), 1955
Abdul Rahman - PhDs in both physics 1999) and math (2001)
Kennedy Reed - Lawrence Livermore researcher also involved in minority physics education
Louis W. Roberts -
Vincent G. J. Rodgers - Theoretical High Energy Physics at Iowa
Yeah, apparently no_slappz can't count to good either, because that does not look like zero blacks to me in those fields.
@Granny: "Yeah, apparently no_slappz can't count to good either, because that does not look like zero blacks to me in those fields."
Granny, what lurks in the heart of this person, that s/he is striving so hard to cast blacks as inferiors?
I saw a National Geographic program recently, entitled, "The Search for Adam."
It's a must see. It may be featured on the NatGeo site, or it may show up as a re-run from time to time.
The conclusion: Adam, or what is also referred to as Genetic Adam, or Scientific Adam (the one man from whom all others stem, and from whom we have all inherited our Y Chromosome), originated in Africa, and was black, making us all relatives, regardless of color or culture.
no_slappz has to thank a black man for his very existence today, as this Scientific Adam is the father of modern man and woman.
Black Diaspora:
"Granny, what lurks in the heart of this person, that s/he is striving so hard to cast blacks as inferiors?"
Major insecurity and the need to feel self-important and superior in order to feel good about her pathetic self. In my book she is another one of those folks that feel all others should bow down to their image and worship them.
I'm surprised she didn't say those people I listed don't exist or some BS to discredit them. Can't have any intelligent others in her small-minded, bigoted way of thinking now can we?
granny, black disapora,
As I stated, NOT ONE Nobel Prize in the bunch.
Moreover, there is NO prospering, knowledge-driven black nation in the world.
As your lists noted, the few blacks who obtained PhDs earned them in the US and, in almost every case, passed unnoticed into history.
Ron McNair was killed in a Space Shuttle accident.
Anyway, the situation remains as it has always been -- blacks have contributed virtually nothing to the advancement of knowledge. The historical record is clear.
black disapora, you wrote:
no_slappz has to thank a black man for his very existence today, as this Scientific Adam is the father of modern man and woman.
By your statement you are admitting the ONLY contribution of blacks is in the role of being the first humans. After that, black contributions to the advancement of humanity seemed to have stopped.
"Anyway, the situation remains as it has always been -- blacks have contributed virtually nothing to the advancement of knowledge. The historical record is clear."
n_s, did you read what Granny just posted? The words to that old Doobie Brothers song would be apropo right about now. :)
And why the obsession with the Nobel Prize? I thought you wingnuts didn't believe in it after they gave one to O and Carter.
@no_slappz: "By your statement you are admitting the ONLY contribution of blacks is in the role of being the first humans. After that, black contributions to the advancement of humanity seemed to have stopped."
You've got to do better than this, if you wish for me to continue to take what you say seriously, and to continue to engage you in dialog.
"Anyway, the situation remains as it has always been -- blacks have contributed virtually nothing to the advancement of knowledge. The historical record is clear."
And you take some measure of satisfaction and pride in making this statement?
Let me tell you what whites have contributed: A Dooms Day Clock. It's now six minutes to midnight.
Whites are the ones who invented and developed the means to destroy all life on this planet, what we've come to know as the Ultimate Weapon (a nuclear bomb), and weaponized poisons, and diseases.
I could have done without, no, the world could have done without, your so-called "contributions to the advancement of humanity."
Technological advancements should have stopped with in-door toilets, and hot and cold running water.
The world is in worse shape because of it--oil spills that are threating the fragile ecology of the Gulf Coast, which will take decades to repair, if then, if it comes on shore; global warming that is creating destructive weather patterns; war machines that can level an area at the push of a button; concrete cities that are as impersonal as the buildings that house their inhabitants; pollution of the air, water, and the general environment, which is, slowly at times, and quickly at times, killing people with carcinogens, and respiratory illnesses and disorders.
And this Internet hasn't brought people closer together, as one might imagine.
Here, people get to spew all kind of hateful crap, stupid crap, and hurtful crap, in total anonymity.
The little good that it does do, hardly offsets the immense harm.
For every upside of technology, there's a downside.
Texting has become Sexting, and all of it is being done while driving, with the resulting death count going up yearly.
Social Networking has devolved at times into cyberbulling, and the luring of the young into the predatory hands of adults.
And the list goes on!
No, keep your technology. Let's return to simpler times, if they ever existed, and put humans above things, and return power to the people, all the people, and not corporations, and the super-rich.
Let's pursue a spiritual agenda, rather than a material one.
Not only would the people of the world be physically, emotionally, and mentally healthier for it, they wouldn't have a need for a technology that we haven't advanced spiritually far enough to use in our best interest, but against it.
Sorry for my very slow two cents worth, but I tried to tell y'all that no_slappz is an extreme bigot who feels that all nonwhites are beneath her. And that even if you gave her the names of blacks who in her words equal zero didn't accomplish anything, she would swear and deny they did not exist. no_slappz is a real piece of work. Now y'all know why I have none, no, zero, negative, minus respect for her and treat her the way I do. I swear I wouldn't put it pass her if she was the one that wrote that genetically speaking email either that or their related. One thing is for sure, she is one sick cookie.
I'm out again, my computer is at it again.
fn, you wrote:
And why the obsession with the Nobel Prize? I thought you wingnuts didn't believe in it after they gave one to O and Carter.
The Nobel Peace Prize is up there with Two Weeks in Philadephia. When a prize for peace is given to Yasser Arafat, it is painfully clear all standards have been abandoned.
But when it comes to science, math and economics, the Nobels seem to go to people who make real contributions to the advancement of knowledge.
black diaspora, you wrote:
You've got to do better than this, if you wish for me to continue to take what you say seriously, and to continue to engage you in dialog.
Feel free to ignore me.
You wrote:
And you take some measure of satisfaction and pride in making this statement?
No. I ask why? Given the resource wealth in many African nations and the opportunities that life in America provides, why do blacks lag?
You wrote:
Let me tell you what whites have contributed: A Dooms Day Clock. It's now six minutes to midnight.
Says you -- based on nothing except your fear.
You wrote:
Whites are the ones who invented and developed the means to destroy all life on this planet, what we've come to know as the Ultimate Weapon (a nuclear bomb), and weaponized poisons, and diseases.
Whites conquered the diseases that EVERY YEAR in Africa KILL FIVE MILLION people. Compare that to the use of atomic weapons, which have killed only a couple of hundred thousand and ended a war.
You wrote:
I could have done without, no, the world could have done without, your so-called "contributions to the advancement of humanity."
Really. Then living in the African nation of your choice is an option for you.
You wrote:
Technological advancements should have stopped with in-door toilets, and hot and cold running water.
In much of the African and muslim worlds, they have yet to reach even those milestones. At least a third, perhaps half of the world's population is still waiting.
You wrote:
The world is in worse shape because of it--oil spills that are threating the fragile ecology of the Gulf Coast, which will take decades to repair, if then, if it comes on shore;
You will be among the disappointed doomsayers when the oil is cleaned up in the next month or two and the environmental impact is measured at zero.
You wrote:
global warming that is creating destructive weather patterns; war machines that can level an area at the push of a button; concrete cities that are as impersonal as the buildings that house their inhabitants; pollution of the air, water, and the general environment, which is, slowly at times, and quickly at times, killing people with carcinogens, and respiratory illnesses and disorders.
Yeah, so many problems, yet life spans are increasing, except in Africa, where in most countries the projected life span is less than 50. And AIDS runs rampant.
You wrote:
And this Internet hasn't brought people closer together, as one might imagine.
But it has. How else and where else would we have met?
You wrote:
Here, people get to spew all kind of hateful crap, stupid crap, and hurtful crap, in total anonymity.
Get over yourself. Here's a point to consider. the world's major religions are hoaxes. People have behaved horribly in the name of religion for the last few thousand years. But you worry about attitudes on the Internet. Grow up.
black diaspora, you wrote:
Texting has become Sexting, and all of it is being done while driving, with the resulting death count going up yearly.
Check again. Driving deaths are down over the last few years. US driving deaths were around 42,000 a year for a long time. But in the last few years, the total has slipped below 40,000.
Meanwhile, even if the number stays the same, the rate is declining because the population is growing. In other words, air bags and seat belts work.
Of course your complaint about texting and sexting is an admission that you believe humans are incapable of controlling their own behavior, therefore they should not have cell phones or similar devices because the human inclination is geared toward unsafe misuse. Seems you are speaking for yourself and those you know best.
You wrote:
Social Networking has devolved at times into cyberbulling, and the luring of the young into the predatory hands of adults.
As problems go, online threats are nothing compared with the very real flesh-and-blood versions, which are issued daily and too often with fatal results. Again. Grow up.
You wrote:
No, keep your technology. Let's return to simpler times, if they ever existed, and put humans above things, and return power to the people, all the people, and not corporations, and the super-rich.
In America you can live according to any principles you set for yourself. Your comments suggest you fall somewhere between the Amish and muslims.
You wrote:
Let's pursue a spiritual agenda, rather than a material one.
Again, you are free to live on your own terms. Nothing stops you. It's okay. But it appears you want to force others into your life-style. Not okay.
You wrote:
Not only would the people of the world be physically, emotionally, and mentally healthier for it, they wouldn't have a need for a technology that we haven't advanced spiritually far enough to use in our best interest, but against it.
Stated with the conviction of a religious dictator. You should form a cult. Someone with your philosophy will attract many followers, and you may lead them to your promised land. But for the rest of us, well, no thanks.
no_slappz:
"Whites conquered the diseases that EVERY YEAR in Africa KILL FIVE MILLION people.
Oh puleeze! Blacks have done just as much in the medical field. BTW, so have other NONWHITE folks, but you seem to have a problem recognizing others accomplishments because of your extreme bigoted way of thinking. But frankly, who cares! This is the last history lesson I'm giving you too because I don't like to waste my time enlighting assholes like you because it would be useless, since you hate all nonwhite human beings that are not lily white. You need to wake up and recognize that white folks are not the only people on this planet earth that have contributed or accomplished anything, and equal really does mean equal in all things including intelligence.
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@no_slappz: Whites are the ones who invented and developed the means to destroy all life on this planet, what we've come to know as the Ultimate Weapon (a nuclear bomb), and weaponized poisons, and diseases.
Whites conquered the diseases that EVERY YEAR in Africa KILL FIVE MILLION people. Compare that to the use of atomic weapons, which have killed only a couple of hundred thousand and ended a war.
You argue in circles, ignoring the thrust of my argument. If these diseases that "whites conquered," still "KILL FIVE MILLION people" in Africa annually, either you haven't "conquered" it, or it's mutating.
Yet, better a few million die annually around the world, than all of life disappear, the result of a nuclear winter. This is what white technology has brought to the human race: the possibility of total human and animal annihilation.
You failed to acknowledge the nuclear threat to this world, one of the finer white technological achievements and contributions.
Because you couldn't counter the truth, you dismissed it, and talked glowingly about another dubious white achievement: the conquering of disease around the world.
I could have done without, no, the world could have done without, your so-called "contributions to the advancement of humanity."
Really. Then living in the African nation of your choice is an option for you.
Africa is a large continent. And yes I'd live there. Are you saying you wouldn't? You assume, wrongly, that a life in Africa is somehow inferior to a life in the U.S.
You need to get out more often. The facts don't support your assumption.
Technological advancements should have stopped with in-door toilets, and hot and cold running water.
In much of the African and muslim worlds, they have yet to reach even those milestones. At least a third, perhaps half of the world's population is still waiting.
Crunch your numbers again, and revise your list:
"However, even cursory observation of poor areas in the US indicates the existence of residents who lack access to basic indoor water and plumbing. They include the urban homeless, migrant workers, residents of colonias along the US–Mexico border, and households living in remote areas of Native American reservations, mountainous regions, and the semiarid plains. At present, these people are not counted among the world’s 1.1 billion people who lack access to safe drinking water, or the 2.4 billion people who lack access to improved sanitation underscored in UNESCO’s second World Water Assessment published in 2006 titled, Water: A Shared Responsibility. But these poor persons in the US do lack access to basic services in a country of high aggregate wealth.
The U.S. may be out ahead of the curve, but thre's still a great deal of work to do.
The world is in worse shape because of it--oil spills that are threating the fragile ecology of the Gulf Coast, which will take decades to repair, if then, if it comes on shore;
You will be among the disappointed doomsayers when the oil is cleaned up in the next month or two and the environmental impact is measured at zero.
No. I won't be disappointed, as you claim. And I hope your optimism is borne out, but I hold out little hope that the environmental impact will be "zero."
Let's not play down the potential devastation that might ensue. Already there are those predicting that this oil disaster could surpass the Exxon Valdez oil-spill disaster.
Fossil fuel has been both a blessing and a curse. We can do without it now. But greed will always prevail, and we will continue to "drill baby drill," regardless of the downside.
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global warming that is creating destructive weather patterns; war machines that can level an area at the push of a button; concrete cities that are as impersonal as the buildings that house their inhabitants; pollution of the air, water, and the general environment, which is, slowly at times, and quickly at times, killing people with carcinogens, and respiratory illnesses and disorders.
Yeah, so many problems, yet life spans are increasing, except in Africa, where in most countries the projected life span is less than 50. And AIDS runs rampant.
You mean your science, and white technological advancement haven't been able to wipe out these problems?
On AIDS: We're not immune. We have our own problems, as well, despite the social and economic advantages you'd expect from a nation so technological advanced and enlightened.:
"At the end of 2006, an estimated 1.1 million persons in the United States were living with diagnosed or undiagnosed HIV/AIDS [1]. In 2007, 42,655 new cases of HIV/AIDS in adults, adolescents, and children were diagnosed in the 33 states with long-term, confidential name-based HIV reporting [2]."
You mean we can't have our technology without the attendant problems that run parallel with it?
You dismiss my argument again: technology, for all its value, is destroying life as we know it on this planet, or threatening to do so.
That's a fact. An inescapable, indefensible fact.
And this Internet hasn't brought people closer together, as one might imagine.
But it has. How else and where else would we have met?
You left out the most salient part of my argument. Yes, people are meeting, but the meetings are creating more barriers to understanding one another, not fewer; creating more opportunities to lash out cruelly, than beneficently.
Here, people get to spew all kind of hateful crap, stupid crap, and hurtful crap, in total anonymity.
Get over yourself. Here's a point to consider. the world's major religions are hoaxes. People have behaved horribly in the name of religion for the last few thousand years. But you worry about attitudes on the Internet. Grow up.
You've made my point. You introduced religion into the discussion, when all I asked for was civility, not a religious moral standard; you introduced condescension, and insults, when all I asked for was respect.
Your prevbious comment reeks more of adolescent behavior than adult consideration.
Texting has become Sexting, and all of it is being done while driving, with the resulting death count going up yearly.
Check again. Driving deaths are down over the last few years. US driving deaths were around 42,000 a year for a long time. But in the last few years, the total has slipped below 40,000.
For sure. But cell phone deaths are on the climb, which was my initial point:
"Cell phone distraction causes 2,600 deaths and 330,000 injuries in the United States every year, according to the journal's publisher, the Human Factors and Ergonomics Society."
Social Networking has devolved at times into cyberbulling, and the luring of the young into the predatory hands of adults.
As problems go, online threats are nothing compared with the very real flesh-and-blood versions, which are issued daily and too often with fatal results. Again. Grow up.
Again with the unsolicited advice! You offer advice that you, yourself, don't follow. That makes you a bit of a hypocrite, doesn't it?
no_slappz must be having some of those acid flash backs or is hitting the bottle, because her fantasies knows no bounds. Smh!
"Ron McNair was killed in a Space Shuttle accident."
And? His death does not make his accomplishments any less meaningful. All though, coming from someone like you who has some serious bigoted issues, why am I not surprise.
"Moreover, there is NO prospering, knowledge-driven black nation in the world."
I guess not, if whites that are racist like you are over there stealing everything including from their diamonds to elephant tusk. Dang, technically speaking, another list of stolen items are their animals put on display at the zoo wheres profits are being made. Next, y'all will be stealing the tin and straw off their huts.
"As your lists noted, the few blacks who obtained PhDs earned them in the US and, in almost every case, passed unnoticed into history"
And? A black woman invented pancakes and went unnoticed too. Your statement means nothing. It only demonstrates how much blacks have been ignored and dismissed on purpose for their contributions in order to keep that superior white myth that you hold on to so dearly. Oh yeah, don't forget how some whites claimed blacks discoveries as their own and took credit for it like in the instance of Dr. Hale. That is nothing new, we're used to plagarism in discoveries by blacks.
"Says you -- based on nothing except your fear"
I couldn't believe you twisted your fingers to type that comment. Not no_slappz who fears muslims and thinks that our country is somehow less safe because a black man is at the helm or another 9/11. I'm not even going to go into the long list of fears you have, but I will mention one more and that is an exaggerated fear of black people.
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I have seen nothing in your polemics here that convinces me of your mature judgment, or seasoned reasoning.
Yes, humans can be cruel. Now we have given them another tool with which to express that cruelty.
What will we give them next, as technology advances--marches toward that brighter tomorrow?
Let's pursue a spiritual agenda, rather than a material one.
Again, you are free to live on your own terms. Nothing stops you. It's okay. But it appears you want to force others into your life-style. Not okay.
No. You're wrong. It appears that your mature judgment has missed the mark again. I do live as I choose. And you're right: nothings stops me.
But my statement, except in your imagination, never suggested that I advocated forcing others to do as I do, or as I recommend.
This seems to mark much of what you have to say: Reading into things that which was never stated.
Not only would the people of the world be physically, emotionally, and mentally healthier for it, they wouldn't have a need for a technology that we haven't advanced spiritually far enough to use in our best interest, but against it.
Stated with the conviction of a religious dictator. You should form a cult. Someone with your philosophy will attract many followers, and you may lead them to your promised land. But for the rest of us, well, no thanks.
As I was saying: You read things that were never stated. I never advocated for a theocracy, nor did I espouse a philosophy, nor did I ask that anyone follow me, to a "promised land," or any other land.
Yet, I stand by my earlier statement: The world would be better off if it followed a spiritual agenda, rather than a material one.
And for the record: I said "spiritual agenda," not a religious agenda. You made that connection. It apparently served as a springboard to your rant against religion, and the supposed harm it has done.
Science has done more harm in the long term, by the way, than religion. And, further, science, nor religion will be our salvation, certainly not the way that either are practiced today.
We need a whole new science, and a spirituality that will allow the world to use technology wisely. It's using it now in ways that further what is negative in the human condition.
Science should advance what is best in us, not what is worse.
@Granny: "Your statement means nothing. It only demonstrates how much blacks have been ignored and dismissed on purpose for their contributions in order to keep that superior white myth that you hold on to so dearly."
Well said. No_slappz brings nothing more than hackneyed implications of black inferiority to the table.
Obvious S/he has a need to feel superior to the rest of humanity. I'm becoming bored with her vacuous arguments, and opinion-driven statements made without a modicum of facts to support them.
Have a good day, Granny.
@Black Diaspora:
You have a good day too, Diaspora. no_slappz is a definitely a female.
"Obvious S/he has a need to feel superior to the rest of humanity. I'm becoming bored with her vacuous arguments, and opinion-driven statements made without a modicum of facts to support them."
That about sums it up down to a tee regarding no_slappz. She is a good example of whites that want to keep that superiority myth alive even though it is a falsehood. Living a lie makes her feel good about herself. She is very insecure!
black diaspora, you wrote:
We need a whole new science, and a spirituality that will allow the world to use technology wisely.
Really? What -- or whom -- determines the "wisdom" guiding the development and use of technology?
You wrote:
It's using it now in ways that further what is negative in the human condition. Science should advance what is best in us, not what is worse.
Science uncovers the facts. Engineering takes science and puts it to work.
Meanwhile, I believe in cloning, and genetic manipulation to increase crop yields and to develop crops that will grow in harsh environments. Lots of people oppose my views.
I am a huge fan of nuclear power. Millions are against it.
As with the abortion issue, the fight about the morality of science and engineering will divide nations and countries. In other words, it is pointless to pretend you, or anyone else, knows which technologies are best for mankind.
Regarding AIDS, perhaps it is true there are more or less 1 million cases in the US. That's 1 million out of a population of 308 million.
Whereas, in Africa, most sub-Saharan nations have AIDS/HIV infection rates running from 10% to 25%. The population of all the affected nations is about 650 million. Even if the infection rate were only 10%, there would be 70 MILLION cases in those countries.
Meanwhile, in Africa the AIDS/HIV problem is getting worse. Not better. Why? Because too few people believe the facts about the transmission of the infection.
As for conquering various diseases -- yes, in the US and Europe we have conquered the death-by-dirty water problem.
But in your zest to pretend otherwise, you ignore the difference between a public health problem best attacked through government management of water supplies with an individual health problem, such as cancer, best tackled in other ways.
AIDS, meanwhile, is self-inflicted BUT easily preventable. Lung cancer is another self-inflicted, easily preventable disease that arrives as a result of a bad life-style choice.
Bottom line, in Africa the governments of incapable of managing large-scale public health programs -- like providing clean drinking water to entire populations. The same governments fail to educate people about how to avoid AIDS and those same governments are incapable of treating multitudes of people who suffer from many illnesses that have been eradicated in the leading nations of the world.
Once again, if blacks were equal to whites, then somewhere in the world there would be a black nation that enjoys prosperity similar to the prosperity found in the world's leading nations, and that black nation would prosper for the same knowledge-driven reasons.
As I said, a good candidate for that role is Nigeria. But even though it is oil-rich, the nation is a backward dump.
n_s, where would you rather live, Bermuda or Serbia?
BTW, does the word colonialism mean anything to you?
"if blacks were equal to whites"
Prudent people don't flaunt their knowledge; talkative fools broadcast their silliness.
Escape quickly from the company of fools; they're a waste of your time, a waste of your words.
@no_slappz:
We need a whole new science, and a spirituality that will allow the world to use technology wisely.
Really? What -- or whom -- determines the "wisdom" guiding the development and use of technology?
What, not whom. Life, and the preservation of it, as the highest value, the most sacred trust, the ultimate decider.
It's using it now in ways that further what is negative in the human condition. Science should advance what is best in us, not what is worse.
Science uncovers the facts. Engineering takes science and puts it to work.
Pure science versus technology. I'm aware of the difference.
My statement still stands: Science, as the pursuit of pure knowledge, should be guided, not for its own sake (as many would believe), but for that which will permit man to evolve.
Contrary to popular notion: humankind is not, en masse, a highly evolved race, as in human race.
Whites have pretty much decimated those who were highly evolved, or were some of the most highly evolved on the planet: The indigenous people of the Americas.
Whites, for example, on the highly evolved bell curve, are in the minus range of standards deviation.
Just kidding. But you do have a lot of catching up to do, and a great deal of karmic debt to work off.
Meanwhile, I believe in cloning, and genetic manipulation to increase crop yields and to develop crops that will grow in harsh environments. Lots of people oppose my views.
Not surprisingly. Again, this is all well and good, but mankind is on the precipice of self-annihilation.
Unless we take care of the larger problems (wars, and weapons that can utterly destroy all we whole sacred), whether there's sufficient food or not to feed the world's people, will be moot.
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I am a huge fan of nuclear power. Millions are against it.
We can do without it. There's cleaner, safer, and more life-affirming ways to satisfy our energy needs.
As with the abortion issue, the fight about the morality of science and engineering will divide nations and countries. In other words, it is pointless to pretend you, or anyone else, knows which technologies are best for mankind.
I don't pretend. I know. We should restrict research to Life Affirming pursuits, and knowledge. Anything other than that, gives us technologies that we don't have sufficient wisdom, or spiritual growth, to put to Life sustaining, and Life maintaining use.
We're like children playing with dynamite. We don't truly understand what we're playing with, and how to use it safely to keep us from destroying ourselves.
We're getting closer to the edge, and we don't know it, all in the pursuit of knowledge for knowledge sake. It will be our undoing!
Once again, if blacks were equal to whites, then somewhere in the world there would be a black nation that enjoys prosperity similar to the prosperity found in the world's leading nations, and that black nation would prosper for the same knowledge-driven reasons.
You had better hope blacks are equal to whites. Your survival depends on their survival. There's prosperity and there's prosperity. Material prosperity is not the only prosperity that humankind is in need of to truly prosper.
You've been conditioned to believe so, but that doesn't make it so.
Were you to see the big picture, you'd put us and our so-called prosperity at the bottom of what true prosperity really is.
I tell you again, thanks to whites, we're on the verge of total self-annihilation.
You don't have to take my word for it, just look around you, what do you see?
A climate change crisis that's growing worse, year by year. The proliferation of nuclear fissionable material, and the growing likelihood that it'll be handed off to someone, or someones, with an end-of-days vision--an apocalyptic view of how to eradicate their enemies.
As I said, a good candidate for that role is Nigeria. But even though it is oil-rich, the nation is a backward dump.
There are those who would say that we're a "backward dump," and are doing everything in their power to eliminate what is seen as our virulent effect upon the planet.
Be careful how you judge. That judgment will judge you.
@Granny: "Escape quickly from the company of fools; they're a waste of your time, a waste of your words."
I think I'm almost there, Granny.
@Black Diaspora:
LOL!
@ Black Diaspora:
"Be careful how you judge. That judgment will judge you."
I would have to say-
Check Mate...;)
Peace.
~agape2010~
fn, you asked:
where would you rather live, Bermuda or Serbia?
First, I would choose neither.
Second, nature may have given Bermuda a pleasant climate, but the British and the US gave it some humanly contrived advantages that have made it a better place than Haiti.
Third, a tiny enclave that enacts special laws and treaties that result in major international corporations using the place as a mail-drop prosper from the special status -- not the brain-power of the local workforce.
Fourth, the population of Bermuda is about 75,000. More than half the population is black and more than a third is white. Bermuda's offshore financial business, which is now the bulk of the economy is not a product of the black population.
Moreover, Bermuda is a tourist destination, which is a function of Nature. If the island were larger, its tourist industry might also be larger. But, unlike Bermuda's offshore financial business, the island itself cannot grow.
Fifth, Bermuda is British territory, which was settled by Brits headed for America.
You wrote:
BTW, does the word colonialism mean anything to you?
Interesting point. Bermuda was colonized and I suppose the reason it is 55% black is due to slavery. Yet you have offered Bermuda as an example of a "successful" black nation.
By my definition, Bermuda is successful, but from your perspective its success comes from all the wrong places.
However, if Africa had been colonized with the same results, many African nations would enjoy similar prosperity. Therefore, it seems to me you believe colonaialism can work remarkably well.
America is another example of a successful colonization project.
black diaspora,
You mentioned topics in technology such as nuclear weapons and global warming.
It is obvious to me -- a person with an engineering degree -- that you know absolutely nothing about the topics you mentioned, which means you cannot engage in a meaningful discussion about them.
As for having nuclear weapons -- same story as guns. If nuclear weapons are outlawed, only outlaws will have them. Hence, no nation that has nuclear weapons today will destroy them and leave the nuclear club.
Moreover, nothing except a military assault will stop Iran from developing nuclear weapons. Interestingly, even though Iran intends to hit Israel with a nuclear attack AND Israel will respond with a nuclear counter-punch, the Iranians continue to develop their bomb.
In other words, they have already acknowledged their acceptance of mass death of Iranians as a price the leadership is willing to pay for the chance to strike Israel.
Seems to me a conventional bombing run to destroy the Iranian nuclear facilities is the strategy that will reduce deaths all around.
It's the idiocy of Islam that drives the Iranians.
Regarding the concept that there are racial differences in intelligence, first define "intelligence". There are people with a Ph.D. (such as yours truly) who couldn't survive a day in the desert because they have no relevant practical knowledge...and people who could survive who don't know how to read.
So yeah, the wingnuts can claim they're being persecuted for daring to ask the question about race and intelligence, but in fact the question is meaningless. The FIRST thing you have to learn when you do research is how to frame an "answerable" question. The race-and-intelligence "question" isn't one of them.
This entire topic is kind of dumb.
The letter clearly says that she finds the evidence for black intelligence to be inferior inconclusive and she can see either case.
Here is the reality, intelligence is thought to be a little more than 50-60% genetic, this is largely based on twin studies of twins raised apart, in different houses.
The American Psychology Association made a statement on this:
http://www.aaanet.org/stmts/race.htm
READ IT.
The issue is the other 40-50% we really have not identified all the various factors that affect intelligence.
Another issue is that we don't know how malleable intelligence is in adults or children. Can intelligence be increased? If so, how much? Can that increase be maintained over time.
As far as cultural bias, that is nonsense.
The most accurate test use no words at all. It is called: Raven's Progressive Matrices
All the major IQ tests correlate, not only with each other but with the SAT, GRE, GMAT, however, some might be better indicators than others.
In any case if they were culturally bias, how is it that East Asians score higher than whites, about 50% of East Asians were not born in this nation and the one's who are often have immigrant parents. They have even tested people in Japan, China, and Korea, they still test higher than the average white.
White folks made a test that is only bias against blacks and makes them [whites] look inferior [to Asians] on purpose? Doubtful. African Americans have a much closer cultural connection to white Americans than anyone in Japan has to a white American, that is certain. So I don't buy the cultural bias thing.
What I believe is what the American psychological association states, black folks do have lower IQ's than whites (and Asians).
THe issue is not that, no one really argues that.
The issue is "what does that mean" in reality, in daily functioning?
Is this static of flexible?
WHat environmental factors could causes this and if they are identified how much is the variation if they are changed in adults and children (could be that after a certain age, like many things, you can't really change things easily with the human brain, but in children might be possible).
I have also taken an IQ test myself, administered by a grad student from the Psych department at my university when I was a grad student (in another department), my IQ (like most grad students) was significantly higher than the average of 100.
As far as women, women and men score about the same, with men doing slightly better on visual spatial skills. But "slightly" is only about 3-4 points, which does not seem to be a lot, but at the margins of a Bell Curve it could be significant when you are looking for women to excel in math and science in an academic setting, their will naturally be less than men, on top of that women have social factors (child birth and care) which make it harder to compete with male colleges (which I consider unfair, but it exists).
So someone stating that on average women score slightly lower on IQ tests than men may or may not be a bigot, but their statement is TRUE.
I have also read that women's IQ is less variable than men, meaning if the average is about 100, more people will group around 100, where men will have more really smart and really dumb people.
Since we have not identified the vast majority of genes that deal with intelligence (maybe 100's) we don't know, but that suggest something in the X Chromosome. Men only have one, women have two, maybe the fact women have two modify and 'averages" things more. That's conjecture.
http://www.polymath-systems.com/intel/essayrev/sexdiff.html
Does this mean women are stupid and no women can be physicists or mathematicians? NO.
It simply means there will be slightly less women than men in any given situation.
What this also means is it is not necessarily sexism if the staff is not 50-50 women/men, 45-50 might be normal as well.
Anon:
I think intelligence is generally framed in a few ways:
Ability to understand increasingly complex things
Problem solving ability
Memory
How fast you can recall, solve problems, etc.
So in a way it is the ability to think fast, problem solve, and regurgitate information quickly at increasing levels of difficulty.
There is no test for creativity though, so someone can be very "intelligent" on an IQ test and do all these things, but not produce ONE THING NEW OF VALUE.
That to me is a big gap.
We have measured our mental capacities in a million ways for the last century. Clearly all our measuring has taught us a few things.
Average IQs have some meaning. They tell us about groups.
As for creativity and testing, well, yes, there are tests, but the real test for creativity is not a test. It is evidenced by creating something.
When it comes to women and mathematics, there may be a number of women with PhDs in math, but there are NO major mathematical figures who are female. The high end of mathematics has always been a men's club.
If women want to change things, they have to start breaking new mathematical ground. Complaining about bias in university math departments is a silly diversion from something that appears to be a biological difference between male and female brains.
Here is the girl who wrote the e-mail:
http://gawker.com/5527355/meet-stephanie-grace-the-harvard-law-student-who-started-a-racist-email-war
No-slap: I agree with you in that mathematics does not require massive amounts of research funding (well not compared to some other areas of study) women can make strides in it even if they are not backed up well by their university departments, but the women who have (historically) are few and far between.
It is interesting though, one of Einstein's initials advisers and proof-readers was his first wife, a fellow student. However, he wanted her to be a housewife and not teach or do anything else. Although this is not 1910, we can't ignore social dynamics, although I don't think they are the primary barrier.
Im not the least bit surprised that a Caucasian female holds these views about blacks...Its almost silly to be outraged by it.
Yes she is wrong but this is A-merry-ca and white people say dumb shit.
Even though I am not surprised I cant help but smile when I think of her self-inflicted demise.
Interesting post. Lots of good stuff in your blog. Thanks.
or anyone who is interested in this topic, you can listen to this debate between Flynn and Murray. They are the epitome of both sides of this argument. Flynn believes that there is no significant genetic difference in black/white (or any other populations) IQ. He is purely nurture. Murray (from the Bell Curve) believes it is both nature and nurture, and that it is probably more nature.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KD6i5TkjSs
Both make good points, but I think Murray is a superior debater, not that his data is superior, but that he just speaks far better than Flynn in general, which makes him more persuasive, but it is worth a listen, it is like 8 parts long. It is worth a listen if you want to know where the science is.
dude! little girls are taught from an early age that you never ever get in an elevator if you're going to be the only female.
yes, skin color is part of the equation sometimes, but maybe not as often as you think.
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