Monday, April 05, 2010

CNN's bad call.


It's 9:05 pm and I am blogging and not watching the National Championship game. That ought to tell you what I think of Duke and Butler in the finals. I am, in a word, underwhelmed.

So anyway, I hope CNN learned their lesson. Signing up Eric Erickson from RedState.com has proven to be embarrassing for them already.

"CNN's new contributor Eric Erickson claims to be toning down his incendiary rhetoric now that he's more in the spotlight. But on the radio last week, Erickson said he would "pull out [his] wife's shotgun" if a census worker came to try to jail him for not filling out his census form. "This is crazy," Erickson said last week on WMAC's In the Morning with Erick Erickson of the census. "What gives the Commerce Department the right to ask me how often I flush my toilet? Or about going to work? I'm not filling out this form. I dare them to try and come throw me in jail. I dare them to. Pull out my wife's shotgun and see how that little ACS twerp likes being scared at the door. They're not going on my property. They can't do that. They don't have the legal right, and yet they're trying."

Way to go there Eric. Threaten to shoot some poor schmuck who is just doing his job because you want to impress your wingnut friends. Nothing like talk of pulling out the old shotgun to fire up the wingnuts. I guess it's that second amendment thing.

"Erickson would later write that his comment was "misconstrued."
"ACS Surveyors are getting belligerent and have showed up on people's doorsteps to harass them and threaten jail," he
wrote on RedState.com"

Eric, you are lying! Produce one person who is ready and willing to say that one of the census workers showed up on their doorstep and harassed them and threatened to take them off to jail. If that did in fact happen, I will be the first person to say that the worker who did that should be fired, forthwith. If it didn't happen, or worse, if you really don't even think that it happened; CNN should have fired your ass yesterday.

Finally, go over to my friend's over at We Are Respectable Negroes and confess your sins. (The Church of James Brown is in session.) Some of you black folks need to go. You have been slipping lately.

I think Chauncey DeVega is an elder in his church and he had a vision:

"Go to the people and spread my word Brother Chauncey. It is not only during February that my church must exist, that negroes everywhere must be free to confess their secret shames and sins of black authenticity at all times. Once more, this is the time I have selected, this first week of April. For we have so much to share since Brother Obama has been elected. Present my word and spread it for now it is time to come together in community!"

I am not an "elder" in the church like my man Chauncey, but to show that I am not above humbling myself, I too have a couple of confessions to make:

I, Field Negro, do not like summer time cookouts in public parks. And when I see Negroes coming to the movies on CP time I lose my f&*^%*g mind. Forgive me Saint James for I have sinned!

163 comments:

Jody said...

I can only conclude that those who are speaking out against the census are proof positive that we are in a fast and furious race to the bottom of educated people in this world.

The utter lack of history, the unmitigated stupidity of those who speak about what the census is and is not boggles my mind. Ignorance now reigns supreme and I fear for my country.

agape2010 said...

@ FN:

i wondered when Ted Turner and the Times were going to cash in on "the voices of hatred" money that is pouring in like flies on sh**...(on CNN)

And...

"... but to show that I am not above humbling myself, I too have a couple of confessions to make:

I, Field Negro, do not like summer time cookouts in public parks. And when I see Negroes coming to the movies on CP time I lose my f&*^%*g mind. Forgive me Saint James for I have sinned!"

Hilarious!

Peace.
~agape2010~

Sean said...

Hi Field,

Off topic:

FYI I have a post on the murder of the white supremacist Eugene Terreblanche in South Africa that puts it into context:

http://africasacountry.com/2010/04/05/eugene-terreblanche-is-dead/

Regards
Sean

chaunceydevega said...

Oh brother field, thank you for spreading the word! You are one of the elect.

There are indeed many backsliders who need to come to the Church of James to confess.

Plus, they will be rewarded for their confessions...

chauncey devega

Bob said...

Up here in North Jersey, Butler means Da'Sean.

Jody said...

Oh yea, too bad you aren't watching the game... it's a good one and close and has been close the entire time!

Val said...

So CNN traded one nutjob (Lou Dobbs) for this nutjob? What was the point of getting rid of Dobbs then?

field negro said...

"So CNN traded one nutjob (Lou Dobbs) for this nutjob? What was the point of getting rid of Dobbs then?"

Val, that's a great point.

Brother Chauncey I had to spread the word. These Negroes need a come to James moment.

Jody, you are right. This game isn't bad at all. Now watch, as soon as I say that it will be blow out city. :)

"Up here in North Jersey, Butler means Da'Sean." )))LOL(((

Sean, I will check out that post. You have a great blog.

Hathor said...

FN,
This is city of row houses. The Fire Department encourages cookouts in the park.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Field:

Are you hanging out with Tiger Woods? Because lately, he has been on a marathon confession conference tour. Confessions are beginning to look like they are contagious.

Granny-->scratching her head with puzzled look on her face.

Anonymous said...

Erick Erickson is the perfect fit for CNN. He will give it life.

agape2010 said...

@ Granny & FN:

While I do not condone the actions of bad behavior in others...I do have a problem with...

EXACTLY WHY DOES WOODS HAVE TO HAVE THE FEDS (FBI) AT AUGUSTA??? WHAT IS HE...SOME KIND OF NATIONAL TREASURE THAT HAS TO BE PROTECTED?? IS THIS WHERE OUR TAX DOLLARS ARE GOING??? KEEPING BIMBOS AWAY FROM ...DARE I SAY IT...GEORGIA OF ALL PLACES???

Whew! I feel better just typing that all out :)

Peace.
~agape2010~

Gregory said...

CNN makes me appreciate the BBC. In true wingnut fashion, Erickson pulled a variation of the Just Joking defense, the old Misconstrued mantra. Also, what kind of wingnut would have to use his wife's shotgun?

James Brown could get me into church although I doubt I qualify for admission. FWIW, I will confess that I don't like Lynyrd Skynyrd.

Anonymous said...

Umm. I filled out my census form and mailed it in. It was not invasive except for asking (optionally) for a phone number. The people that don't mail them in only increase the cost. Kind of ironic, or moronic.

szpork

field negro said...

Gregory, I think you might have to go to The Church Of Elvis. LOL!

Agape.., are you sure the Feds are at the Masters protecting Tiger? Maybe he had death threats.

Gregory said...

Field,
Maybe the Church of Jake and Elwood, Our Lady of Blessed Acceleration.

R.J. said...

It took me all of forty seconds to fill out the census form. What's his lazy ass problem?

agape2010 said...

@ FN:

It was on the local news (ATL).

They said nothing of death treats...what they did say was that the FBI was there to keep "people" away from Tiger so he could "concentrate on his game"...I repeat...CONCENTRATE ON HIS GAME.

In other words...get your black azz on the course and make up for all that money we lost on you while you were out "carousing" with your fellas...

You already know!

Peace.
~agape2010~

agape2010 said...

@ FN:

Just a thought...what if a black person lived in a mostly white neighborhood where there is little crime, clean streets, no potholes, new paved roads and well lit...

Should they feel a dire need to send in their census form...after all the census is not just about counting...it's also for the dispersement of funds from the federal level to the state level to the local level....

Peace.
~agape2010~

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Agape:

Sounds like those type of neighborhoods are the ones getting the biggest share of those funds.

Ut oh, it's time for a poor folks party protest. I bet that would scare the living daylights out of those teaparty folks and the gubermint. One thing, America has more of since Reagan and Bush are a majority of poor folks.

Anonymous said...

szpork, "Umm. I filled out my census form and mailed it in. It was not invasive except for asking (optionally) for a phone number. The people that don't mail them in only increase the cost. Kind of ironic, or moronic."

It asked for your name, race, and phone number. I would say it was somewhat invasive. Where did it say that giving your phone number was optional?

Anonymous said...

I hope the Feds are at their best at Augusta. I would hate anything to happen to Woods.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Agape:

Are they protecting Tiger or are they protecting the Georgia Bimboes? Tiger is Mandingo in those Georgia men's eyes.

agape2010 said...

@ Granny:

I do understand that your neighborhood is only as good as the tax base within it...and I also know that pockets of poverty only breed more poverty...

Honestly, I just don't feel the need to rush out and send in my form...I'm still black in america...how do I know "they" aren't trying o boot me out of my nice, clean, well lit neighborhood? Whose to say what will happen if information gets into the wrong hands?

(Sounding a bit like my Uncle Gregory now...with the conspiracy theory :)

And...

For all those who think my heart doesn't bleed because I live in a nice, clean well lit neighborhood...those are3 the types of neighborhoods I grew up in and have always lived in...it's what I'm used to :)

And...

The best way to help poor people is to not be one of them :)

Peace.
~agape2010~

agape2010 said...

@ Granny:

The statement made was that..."The FBI is in Augusta to protect Tiger Woods from "fans" that might be wanting to meet him or get an autograph. They are there to allow him the space he needs to concentrate on his game."

Clearly they meant that they do not need another mess behind his black azz with these white women that are throwing themselves at him.

I still ask...WHAT THE FUFH IS HE...A NATIONAL TREASURE???

Peace.
~agape2010~

agape2010 said...

@ Granny & FN:

I'm not making any confessions unless I have to :)

Me...taking it all to the grave...lol

Peace.
~agape2010~

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

@Henna:

Here is that link I meant to give you last night. Type in surname+family

http://www.lib.byu.edu/fhc/index.php

Agape:
I was joking.

agape2010 said...

@ Granny:

You may have been joking...but I actually thought it was a valid point.

From where I sit...they are serving a twofold purpose...1) Keep Tiger's eye on the little white ball so he can make up for that 11% loss that he created for them and 2) They are protecting the interests of his lilly white wife while keeping the skanks they desire away.

So while you may have been joking.. I think it's just shameful that these well heeled hicks think it takes the FBI to keep Tiger away from women and women away from Tiger.

What does it say about a man that keeps his zipper on "unzip" ALL the time....(that he needs the FBI's help to keep it zipped?)

And...

I bid you good night. Sleep well.

Peace.
~agape2010~

mellaneous said...

Hey Field I thought you would put up a fight for No.5 but I guess it was his time to go.

Field ya'll check this out.
The NYTimes printed a story showing how some Reuters cameraman and a reporter were killed by helicopter pilots.

Whenever folks start complaining about violence keep in mind the heartless kind of crap/violence that is passing for some kind of defense of the American way (in Iraq and Afghanistan) of life as the young soldiers and their defenders keep putting it.

It got so bad, US soldiers were killing so indiscriminately in Afghanistan that the high command had to issue strict directives to put a halt to it. Soldiers were strafing folks driving down the street or cars they stopped and some just because they could.

Field this is what pisses me off, this is what sends me over the edge. I can live with Negroes being late to a movie that I have the luxury and free time to enjoy. This article puts things in perspective.

This was absolutely senseless violence and in this case bullying in the form of heartless and callous murder you all have got to check out the video attached. Just watch at least the first 10 minutes.

These people act like they are part of a gang and gang members aren't this heartless.

From the NYTimes tonight:

After the killing of several Iraqis in which one had a weapon this was the dialogue:

“Look at those dead bastards,” one pilot says. “Nice,” the other responds.

A wounded man can be seen crawling and the pilots impatiently hope that he will try to fire at them so that under the rules of engagement they can shoot him again. “All you gotta do is pick up a weapon,” one pilot says.

A short time later a van arrives to pick up the wounded and the pilots open fire on it, wounding two children inside. “Well, it’s their fault for bringing their kids into a battle,” one pilot says.

At another point, an American armored vehicle arrives and appears to roll over one of the dead. “I think they just drove over a body,” one of the pilots says, chuckling a little."

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/06/world/middleeast/06baghdad.html?hp

Who raised these people?

mellaneous said...

Hey Field sorry if my comment sound condescending and besides brother you can't let a few late brothers raise your blood pressure.

But I was trying to point out what ticks me off. People are dying in Afghanistan and Iraq and Pakistan for no good reason other than US hegemony.

Supposedly the US invaded these countries to liberate them and bring democracy and a better way of life. That simply is not what they are experiencing.

There is no rebuilding going on and everyday US forces kill innocent folks and it is barely reported on and when it is most folks barely acknowledge it.

In my mind violence is violence whether its committed by a street criminal a gang member or the US government.

That's why I protest on the street level and on the national level and when the person sitting in the highest office is white and when the person sitting in the highest office is black.

To not call out aggressive violence wherever it is committed in my mind is just plain hypocrisy.

To call out one president and not call another one doing the same thing because he has the same skin color is also hypocritical.

mellaneous said...

From counterpunch.com

http://www.counterpunch.com/kelly03302010.html

"According to a March 3, 2010 Save the Children report, “The world is ignoring the daily deaths of more than 850 Afghan children from treatable diseases like diarrhea and pneumonia, focusing on fighting the insurgency rather than providing humanitarian aid.” The report notes that a quarter of all children born in the country die before the age of five, while nearly 60 percent of children are malnourished and suffer physical or mental problems. The UN Human Development Index in 2009 says that Afghanistan is one of the poorest countries in the world, second only to Niger in sub-Saharan Africa."

So much for freeing the Aghans from the Taliban. I guess maybe they are educating the girls now that they have run off the Taliban too, right, wrong.

the same article reported this:

"U.S. forces saw Afghans travelling together and launched an air-to-ground attack on the first car. Women in the second car immediately jumped out waving their scarves, trying desperately to communicate that they were civilians. The U.S. helicopter gunships continued firing on the now unshielded women. 21 people were killed and 13 were wounded.

There was press attention for this atrocity, and U.S. General Stanley McChrystal would issue a videotaped apology for his soldiers’ tragic mistake. Broad consensus among the press accepted this as a gracious gesture, with no consequences for the helicopter crew ever demanded or announced.

Whether having that gunship in the country was a mistake – or a crime – was never raised as a question."

We all should all be outraged and concerned about what the US military is really doing overseas!

Anonymous said...

Are any of the negroes who love to blame everything on the white devil going to comment on their African dictator's wonderful job of reviving measels among the noble savages of Zimbabwe?

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote] Erickson said he would "pull out [his] wife's shotgun" if a census worker came to try to jail him for not filling out his census form[/quote]


Filled Negro:

Help me out on something.
CNN has about 2.5M viewers per day who directly heard Erickson's statements.

However the average murder threats said on a "Hip Hop Voice Of the Street Pirate" album that goes triple platinum is heard by many, many more people.

Not only that these words are heard over and over and over again via radio play while Erickson's words are going to be heard only as much as people like you propagate them on their propaganda blogs.

WHY then, Filled Negro, are the threats made by Erickson so far more superior to you than are the murder and assault threats said by Hip Hop Voice Of The Street pirate against any Black man who "steps to them"?

field negro said...

"WHY then, Filled Negro, are the threats made by Erickson so far more superior to you than are the murder and assault threats said by Hip Hop Voice Of The Street pirate against any Black man who "steps to them"?"

BECAUSE THE "STREET PIRATES" ARE ENTERTAINERS. ERICKSON IS A POLITICAL PUNDIT.

I hope that helped. Sheeesh. Some people.

Mell. this thing with Iraq....I don't know man. I just saw the video of those soldiers ALLEGEDLY shooting those civilians. Sad

Jody said...

UnConn... does the concept of "context" completely escape you?

field negro said...

Anon 3:18 am, are we going to start this again? How did they become evil dictators? How did Zimbabwe become a Third World Country? There are historians here who will tell you that it's the "white devil's" fault. I won't go there, but neither should you.

field negro said...

"UnConn... does the concept of "context" completely escape you?"

Come on Jody, you know that answer to that one. Of course it does! He is, after all, a wingnut. Albeit a black one. I know that they are rare, but they are out there. :)

alicia banks said...

fn:

nice to see u all bashing cnn rather than fox...racists are
in all media...

with all the horrid govt abuses that americans have endured since 2000...and all of the new lies and evil set via hobama until 2016....why would any sane person trust this govt or its census???

just as i understand the ideal and noble aims of the census
but
i also know that the census is often used for evil

i will not condemn any govt rebels....i ONLY condemn the corruption that creates them

see more:

http://www.lizmichael.com/census.htm

"When the US Government rounded up Japanese-Americans in 1942, they used the "supposedly private" census data to tell the soldiers how many Japanese lived on each block. Perhaps they didn't hand out these families' census forms, but the data needed to put them into prison camps certainly came from the "strictly confidential" census. "

uptownsteve said...

"nice to see u all bashing cnn rather than fox...racists are
in all media..."

please.

CNN and MSNBC are trying to get some of Fox's audience..

That's why CNN and MSNBC have rightwing hosts.

But Fox has no liberals.

Funny how that works.

And what ever happened to J.C. Watts' proposed black cable news network?

M. Rigmaiden said...

I can see that people feel their privacy is being violated regarding the Census. I went to the website and saw a sample form and they were asking a LOT of personal questions regarding the mortgage/sale price of your home and a lot of other stuff that can be obtained via the public record anyway.

However, once we got our Census form in the mail it just asked for our names, who we were living with and how they were related to us. I don't think its necessary to put how they are related to us but counting the number of people makes sense to me.

A lot of privacy oriented people had legitimate concerns, imho.

alicia banks said...

uts:

are u serious?

are u denying that racists rule all american media???

why are there so few of our faces in any hue on every netwk???

each day your denial grows even more than hobama's hoaxes...scary!!!

alicia banks said...

mr:

ditto

i trust no govt less than my own

i am very private

so i always edit my answers accordingly



"The greatest purveyor of violence in the world today is my own government."

~Martin Luther King, Jr

alicia banks said...

uts:

many people on fox are liberals

shep
geraldo
greta

none are neocons/nazis like bill o and sean h!

alicia banks said...
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uptownsteve said...

AB

Shepard Smith and Greta Van Susteren are moderates at best who seem liberal compared to firebreathing reactionaries that are the Fox norm.

Geraldo Rivera is an out and out racist albeit in a whiny NY Jewish way.

Answer this.

Why is it that anyone who has publicly offended black people immediately gets a welcome to Fox?

Mark Fuhrmann, Don Imus, Geraldine Ferraro.....

Coincidence?

alicia banks said...

uts:

what haas geraldo done but admit that oj slaughtered 2 people???

i will not indict him for that truth!

geraldine told the truth about hobama...cool by me!


we all should have listened!

mark f and don i are racists clowns...who i have seen on all netwks!!!

don has his own media empire!

ok so they have all moved from "racists" to moderates?

how fake of u!

wake up!!!!

racists are everywhere...so???

alicia banks said...

uts:

are u an anti-semite too?

gerlado is half jew and half latino...

i find nothing wrong with his sound!

uptownsteve said...

AB

I am a native NYer and have been watching Geraldo's bs for almost 40 years.

He went to college as "Jerry Riveira" and suddenly embraced his Puerto Rican heritage upon returning to NYC and breaking into the TV news business where they were looking for hispanic on air faces.

uptownsteve said...

"geraldine told the truth about hobama...cool by me!"

She did?

Being black is an advantage in a Presidential race???

I guess that's why we had so many other brothers in the White House before BO.

wtf??

M. Rigmaiden said...

YOu might have a point Steve because you've lived longer and have seen many of GR's shenanigans. However, you havta admit he's done some good advocacy on behalf of Latinos and he never screwed around with his last name like Linda Ronstadt did. She straight up denied her Latino heritage until it was popular to be de la gente. Now she is a hypocrite!

Now, you ought to watch this video of Rivera verses OReilley. That shit is tooooooooo funny!

Regarding the comments about Jews, they have been victimized by prejudice, as all of us have as human beings. I'd hardly call them an oppressed group due to all the political power they have as an ethnic group, in addition to their overwhelming control of the media.

alicia banks said...

uts:

u r a liar

what she said was:

if hobama's paper thin resume was that of a white man or a black woman he would not be in this race!

bill c said the same thing
mad at him too?

neither lied!!!

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/03/geraldine_ferraro_if_obama_was.html

alicia banks said...

mr:

black men have power in the nba and nfl too...does that negate black racism???
even in their own sports ofcs???

i will not defend any hatred not even of jews

many jews are heros and friends to me!

M. Rigmaiden said...

Yeah Geraldine Ferraro's comments about BO were waaaaay off. She's just bitter because she didn't get to the white house because she chose to kick it with Mondale. And although I'm sure he's a nice guy, he certainly had the charisma of a limp biscuit;)In other words she was simply hatin on Obama because she didn't have his magic.

Bear in mind, I disagree with just about everything our President has done since he's been in office. Really. But it ain't hard to call a spade a spade.

alicia banks said...

mr:

how were they off?
how???

what wm or bf with hobama's razor thin resume could have been selected by the bilderbergs and given billions by wall st to "win"???


they were both dead on!
see more proof of that:

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b01240bbc9568860e.html

alicia banks said...

uts:

how is what jerry did any dif from what your god barry s/hobama did?

many bi racial persons take the same journey to ids?...so???

alicia banks said...

mr:

hobama fans must retire "hater"...it is mindless and old

obama does not have any magic to those of us who see his madness clearly...i am certain that is so for gf too

hobama is a hoax and his magic PR is swiftly wearing off...his entire life is a lie and no lie lives forever


"The mainstream media is slowly waking up to the fact that Obama is a bore. No, really. He’s long since stopped saying anything new or interesting, and he talks constantly, at great length. So when he went into a mind-numbing filibuster to a perfectly reasonable question from a woman at a Q&A session in Charlotte as to whether it was smart to throw a load of new taxes into health-care “reform,” not even the Washington Post’s Anne Kornblut could conceal her — and the audience’s — disdain for the Condescender in Chief..."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2487201/posts

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/political-pablum-pavlovian-praises-perpetual-patronizing-promises.html

alicia banks said...

uts:

i am very impressed with geraldo's rebel media wk

http://www.answers.com/topic/geraldo-rivera

M. Rigmaiden said...

Her comments were off because she said that as a Black man he had a privilege to run for President over women. I don't buy that for a second. Sarah Palin's meteorite rise to fame show us that Black men have zero privileges in this country.

Obama won because he had a great PR machine, he campaigned on a message of inclusion rather than Clintons Rovian sensibilities to divide and conquer...And his organizers knew who to incorporate new technologies into the campaign trail.

He was also a former editor for the Harvard Law Review. He is not an empty shirt.

Despite all of his qualifications like I said before I disagree with just about everything he's done since he got in the white house.

M. Rigmaiden said...

AB don't put words in my mouth, I don't advocate hating Jews. I've simply said that they have a lot of control over the media and sure people have hated on them over time, but don't forget that one of the most brazen blackface practitioners last century was a Jew; Al Jolson. Don't forget that although he was Jewish he still had white power and privilege as evidenced here.

uptownsteve said...

"if hobama's paper thin resume was that of a white man or a black woman he would not be in this race!"

Are you nuts?

Show me how Obama's resume was any thinner than George W. Bush's?

Let's not even discuss Flo Palin!!!

uptownsteve said...

"how is what jerry did any dif from what your god barry s/hobama did?"

BO's family referred to him as "Barry".

He officially went by Barack Obama from his first day in college at Occidental.

I read his book. Did you?

Gregory said...

AB,

Liz Michael? Is this is your basis for resisting the census. She is a full fledged member of the Illuminutty.

My favorite from her resume:

"I used to be a wrestling reporter for Pro-Wrestling Digest and have occasionally wrestled professionally as "The Taskmistress"."

At least Jesse Ventura looked better in a feather boa.

Finally, you did notice that on her political links page she is proudly flying the confederate battle flag, right?

uptownsteve said...

MR

"Yeah Geraldine Ferraro's comments about BO were waaaaay off. She's just bitter because she didn't get to the white house because she chose to kick it with Mondale."

Yeah, where does she get off?

When Mondale picked her VP nominee she was a 3 term congressman from Brooklyn.

She was the Sarah Palin of her day.

Picked solely to shake up the race.

Nobody PICKED Obama.

He ran in the primaries and beat his opponents head to head and straight up.

How some idiots are trying to turn his election into some sort Affirmative Action is total insanity.

maria said...

gotta object in a MAJOR way to your comparison of geraldine ferraro to a mayor from wassila and a half-term governor who's an idiot and a national embarrassment.

M. Rigmaiden said...

OK Steve she had more experience than Palin, three terms that she FINISHED would make her qualified imho. She just didn't have the charisma and likeability quotient that SUCCESSFUL politicians need.

uptownsteve said...

F**k Geraldine Ferraro AND Sarah Palin.

How about that?

alicia banks said...

mr:

sarah palin and hillary clinton were both crucified by millions who preferred hobama

for those of you who really think hobama was not selected by the very same forces that selected his retarded blood cousin gwb, you are hopelessly in denial

uts and mr:
your anti semantic posts are above for all to read
___

greg:
as all hobama fans
you perpetually sweat the small stuff and fail to counter with any better info...

attacking the truth is no defense
fyi
&
i respect the truth from AMY source!!!
ie
see the VERY SAME lies by hobama here x 3...better for ya?:


http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/04/obamas-17-minute-2500-word-res.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/04/06/obamas_17-minute_non-answer_answer_105059.html

http://reason.com/archives/2010/03/09/obama-and-the-l-word

alicia banks said...

uts:

spoken like the clueless sexist that u are

uts and mr:
your anti SEMITIC posts are above for all to read
___

alicia banks said...

greg:

i respect the truth from ANY source!!!...

"He then spent the next 17 minutes and 12 seconds lulling the crowd into a daze. His discursive answer - more than 2,500 words long -- wandered from topic to topic, including commentary on the deficit, pay-as-you-go rules passed by Congress, Congressional Budget Office reports on Medicare waste, COBRA coverage, the Recovery Act and Federal Medical Assistance Percentages (he referred to this last item by its inside-the-Beltway name, "F-Map"). He talked about the notion of eliminating foreign aid (not worth it, he said). He invoked Warren Buffett, earmarks and the payroll tax that funds Medicare (referring to it, in fluent Washington lingo, as "FICA").:

alicia banks said...

uts:

you are a hapless hopeless liar

barry called himself barry as long as geraldo called himself jerry...so you have been dishonest and slelective as always

barry and george are cloned selected coddled purchsed puuppeted kin...that is the truth no matter how long u and all hobama fans choose to ignore it

wake up!!

http://www.infowars.com/president-obamas-rise-due-to-blue-blood-ancestry-or-power-of-american-dream/

http://www.infowars.com/president-obamas-rise-due-to-blue-blood-ancestry-or-power-of-american-dream/


"The corporate-owned mainstream media would have us believe that Obama’s ascension to power is an “All-American” story attainable by any hard-working “common” American.

Despite losing a Democratic primary run for the U.S. House of Representatives to four-term incumbent Bobby Rush by a margin of two to one http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/fe2000/ilh.htm, Obama served in the Illinois Senate from 1996 to 2004 and was magically selected as a virtual unknown in the stage of national politics to deliver the keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention in Boston, Massachusetts.

After this nation-wide debut, Obama served as a junior United States Senator from Illinois from 2005 to 2008 and then was simply catapulted to the Presidency. Is Obama’s ascension to power an “All-American” story attainable by any hard-working “common” American or is Obama’s coronation a result of his “blue blood” ancestry?"

Anonymous said...

You must be a masochist, UTS.

alicia banks said...

uts:

you know damned well that i have read that bogus ghostwritten bio of hobama's filled with lies like his entire life...

ask sharon in wi...

as all re the hologram that is hobama...i was unimpressed!!!

mellaneous said...

M Rigmaiden said:

"I'd hardly call them an oppressed group due to all the political power they have as an ethnic group, in addition to their overwhelming control of the media."

Sister M I know what you are trying to say but you have to be careful with statements like this, which is not quite accurate and somewhat misleading.

While there are some Jewish owners of Big Business media they are not all owned by Jews.

They are an oppressed minority though they have managed to stay a step ahead of the hate,-especially in the US- thanks partially for the even deeper disdain for blacks in North America. And it doesn't hurt that many Jews still identify as white and hide behind Caucasion skin and sometimes Caucasion sounding last names.

Nevertheless, they are a minority and they are victimized by anti-Jewish hatred, which still simmers under the surface in this country and Europe. And it is fed by vicious rumors and lies about Jewish economic hegemony.

And you can't confuse economic power for political power. Though the US favors Israel for now they do so because it is useful for US imperialism. They can be used on occassion to do the bidding of the US in that part of the world we call the middle east which of course in actuality is Afro-Asia.

However, THE TAIL DOES NOT WAG THE DOG!!

I understand black folks frustration with Jewish folks because it has been confusing. Historically, some Jews have identified with the black efforts for civil rights even joining Civil Rights organizations and contributing money. I have marched and fought with some great Jewish folks in the fight for peace and justice in the world.

In fact some of the folks that I know personally who are pro-Palestinian and hyper critical of Israel are in fact Jews.

In other instances, Jews as business people have been in the front of the line exploiting black folks in ghettos across the U.S. And at the same time many individual Jews have performed small acts of kindness that have aided scores of black folks during hard times.

And now you have folks like David Horowitz and David Brooks, who say really malicious and hateful things about black folks while dressing it up in a fake civility. But their more subtle swipes along with their use of more benign terms and big words,in the end its nothing more than not so subtle bigotry.

So how to evaluate our Jewish friends? By their deeds...

uptownsteve said...

"your anti SEMITIC posts are above for all to read"

Post ONE.
___

"barry called himself barry as long as geraldo called himself jerry...so you have been dishonest and slelective as always"

BULLSHIT.

Geraldo was known as "Jerry Rivieira" until he was damn near 30 years old.

alicia banks said...

uts:

quote your source with the precise date or stfu!

ie

geraldo is not a PR fabrication
so his life is an open book

barry's entire life is STILL sealed!
so
how the hell would YOU know???

you have typically STILL blasted geraldo for the very same bs that barry did regardless!

alicia banks said...

uts:

this is racist:

"Geraldo Rivera is an out and out racist albeit in a whiny NY Jewish way."

then mr cosigned:

"I'd hardly call them an oppressed group due to all the political power they have as an ethnic group, in addition to their overwhelming control of the media."

also racist

spoken just as the kkk x2

see??

Rottnkid said...

field negro said...

"WHY then, Filled Negro, are the threats made by Erickson so far more superior to you than are the murder and assault threats said by Hip Hop Voice Of The Street pirate against any Black man who "steps to them"?"

BECAUSE THE "STREET PIRATES" ARE ENTERTAINERS. ERICKSON IS A POLITICAL PUNDIT.

------------------------

Thank you, Field.

alicia banks said...

uts/mr:

geraldo's voice garners him MUCH more cash than u

and

jews are STILL oppressed as all hatred is real

financial power has never erased the holocaust/kkk/ska/neonazis etc etc

mellaneous said...

Hey Field thanks for checking out that video,its deep. AB, MR Jody,Steve, Trapped, Granny others you have got to watch that video.

And what they are doing over there the MSM is doing a good job of keeping it out of our topics of discussion by providing us with distractions.

I mean really who cares what Tiger does, esp. off the golf course? Think about it, he doesn't have sense enough or enough self respect, or self like to even say who he is. He keeps denying that he is black while it is obvious that he is black. He doesn't like himself, so why should I spend a lot of time being concerned about his foolishness. Its not surprising that he is acting like an undercover pervert, hell he is obviously sick!

Field I was sure hoping Duke would lose. Man there seems to be no justice. The most arrogant, smug, self assured, elitist, patriarchal and yes bigoted school wins the athletic championship in a sport dominated by young blacks.

I know bigoted was a bit of stretch but those boys on that rugby team got off because they were white and Duke got the prosecutor removed because he had the nerve to accuse some white kids of offending a black woman and a black whore at that.

I digress Field but I admit that I dislike Duke. It really does seem like they are favored by the refs and favored by the NCAA and this is so because they are perceived as the Great White Basketball Hope.

Man

Rottnkid said...

Anonymous said...

Are any of the negroes who love to blame everything on the white devil going to comment on their African dictator's wonderful job of reviving measels among the noble savages of Zimbabwe?

3:18 AM

---------------------------------

You talkin' about President Obama? That's MY only "African dictator" you dumb ass.

M. Rigmaiden said...

No I don't see it at all. My statement was not racist in the least. Racism means that I believe that due to my race I am superior to another person. My statement was truth the way that I see the world.

How can you call a group oppressed when that group controls the media for a large part? How quickly you forget about Al Jolson the consummate Jewish person who talked all that oppression stuff but did blackface in the next breath. Please.

I don't think I'm better than anyone for any reason. So I am not racist. I just don't agree with you.

uptownsteve said...

Yeah right AB.

Calling a racist a racist is racist.

But calling a fellow black "feces colored" or "urine colored" is okay?

Enough of you today.

M. Rigmaiden said...

And Mellaneous my worldview is almost completely orthogonal to yours. You claim they are an oppressed minority. I don't believe it at all. Not in the United States anyway.

When you have economic power and extensive media control YOU control the imagery and YOU control fiscal policy. They aren't oppressed. And if I am going to be honest, they are really acting as oppressors in Israel, a place that should not exist in its current form imho.

alicia banks said...

uts:

i am racist against all rabid colorist like you and proud of it!!!

___

mr:

it is racist to pretend that because jews rule media and are rich they are not hated and oppressed

just as it is racist to lie on geraldo and call him whiny because he is a jew

see???

M. Rigmaiden said...

Thanks Steve.

alicia banks said...

uts:

u r a colorist liar

geraldo has never done anything racist

he told the truth on that racist oj who hates blacks!

M. Rigmaiden said...

No I don't see. I never said Geraldo was whiny either. This is what UTS said. Don't put that on me.

And rednecks tend to be hated as a group does that mean they are oppressed? Child molesters incur the ire of those in society...are they oppressed too? Are the Irish currently oppressed in the USA because people crack Irish jokes?

How many Jews pass for Anglo by getting nose jobs then get white power and privilege?

As long as a person has this privilege they aren't oppressed at all.

When I look at the old colonial laws from our country's inception, I see LAWS specifically written to oppress Blacks, mulattoes, mestizoes, Indians and poor whites. Strangly enough I don't see those laws on the books regarding Jews. But I'm open to correction. See this book by Leon Higginbotham.

cinco said...

Ignorance IS NOT bliss!!!!!

These fucking paranoid lunatics and their lies about the census. My s/o is a census worker and I know exactly what the many jobs entail and the shit they go through to try to do their jobs. If for no other reason give these people a break...their job however 'temporary' pays at minimum $15/hour...that's pretty good for trying to just 'count' you....

For the record, they don't give a damn about your 'secrets', 'devilment', or your god damned 'criminal activities', they're just trying to make a living.

alicia banks said...

mr:

you are being dishonest and circular again

YOU stated that powerful jews negated anti-semitism

YOU were clearly amused by uts' racist slur

scan up

and you are still dead wrong!...as none of the groups you tangentially and dishonestly mentioned ever endured a holocaust/nazis etc

and u know so!

LACoincidental said...

mellaneous said...
Field I was sure hoping Duke would lose. Man there seems to be no justice. The most arrogant, smug, self assured, elitist, patriarchal and yes bigoted school wins the athletic championship in a sport dominated by young blacks.

I know bigoted was a bit of stretch but those boys on that rugby team got off because they were white and Duke got the prosecutor removed because he had the nerve to accuse some white kids of offending a black woman and a black whore at that.



Well seeing as Duke modeled it self after Yale and is considered a 'Baby Ivy' (a prestigious, snooty college where the scions of the wealth send their mediocre kids who couldn't get into Harvard) its not surprising.


On to the CNN wing-nut addition, this is proof positive that while MSNBC is moderately liberal (because God only knows why Joe Scaraborough has a show and why Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann put Pat Buchanan on the phone.) and FOX mind as well be called "The Official Network on the Klu Klux Klan", CNN has show itself as spineless and pandering -- they'll do anything to stay ahead in the ratings, even giving an obvious mouth breather like Erik Erikson a TV show. And don't et me started on the mean-spirited "Black in American 1 & 2" or the god-awful "Latino in America". According to those shows, Black men are almost all criminals, educated Black women are stuck-up divas and Latina girls are functionally illiterate and pregnant by age 16. Just downright evil stuff, man. CNN is good for a quick headline blurb and that's it.


As for the census, it only ticks off the Tea-BagerFunny how these wing nut cuckoos get all huffy about the Census but have no problems counting Black and Latino inmates in rural counties, who have few legal rights, as citizens for purposes of the census. The prison industrial complex is the modern day '3/5 compromise' - count shackled minorities for the sake of political power while denying their rights.

alicia banks said...

ms agm:

eddie is such a rabidly colorist yellow beard chaser than every tranny he paid to woo was yellow

and the gorgeous sexy yellow 10 michael michelle sued eddie for sexual harassment in real life as he tried to blacklist her for refusing to be a beard in his stable!

http://books.google.com/books?id=vZgDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA60&lpg=PA60&dq=michael+michele+sued+eddi&source=bl&ots=82xUJSQPUp&sig=ic1qsY1Oc2IwqqBDo-pUzR1ow0s&hl=en&ei=_IS7S-DUMITE8wS2jrDhBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CAkQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=&f=false

M. Rigmaiden said...

Alicia, you are putting words in my mouth. YOu cannot find any sentence above where I claim that successful Jews negate anti semitism. You are careening into a wall right now and I wish I could slow you down.

I said clearly that I would not call Jews in America oppressed due to the economic power they have and the media control. I linked to Al Jolson a quintecential example of this and you chose to ignore it. Now you are putting words in my mouth. Shame on you! I wasn't amused by UTS statements. I simply commented on them.

You are looking for trouble and that is sad. Go to a boxing ring to get out your frustrations because I refuse to be your whipping girl. Don't fabricate statements that I've not made nor attribute feelings to me that I've not stated. I don't do that to you and I deserve the same respect.

I cannot believe you don't think that Blacks, Mulattoes, Mestizoes and Indians did not endure the Holocaust. You are lying right now and should be ashamed of yourself.

If you don't call the transcontinental slave trade and the raping and pillaging of both Africa and the New World a Holocaust then really we've nothing to talk about.

You are so stuck on defending so called oppressed groups that you cannot separate a harmless opinion from a racist insult.

Stop it. This doesn't become you.

alicia banks said...

mr:

your have the least competent debates skills ever

you asked me if rednecks were oppressed

when i said no you posted this bs above???

spare me

YOU posted this:

"Regarding the comments about Jews, they have been victimized by prejudice, as all of us have as human beings. I'd hardly call them an oppressed group due to all the political power they have as an ethnic group, in addition to their overwhelming control of the media."

ONLY a rabid anti-semite/racist would deny that jews are legendarily and globally oppressed!!!

____

you are a blatant liar here:

" cannot believe you don't think that Blacks, Mulattoes, Mestizoes and Indians did not endure the Holocaust. You are lying right now and should be ashamed of yourself."

i never denied this!!!

quote me!!!!

alicia banks said...

mr:

i have defended ONE group here today...jews!

and you dare to ALSO post this:

"You are so stuck on defending so called oppressed groups that you cannot separate a harmless opinion from a racist insult."

again:

calling jews "so called oppressed" is racist!!!!!

alicia banks said...

mr:

you have disrespected me greatly with your blatant lies and rabid denials of the blatant racism that BOTH u and uts have posted

i hope some jews are herein to call u both out too

alicia banks said...

mr:


wtf???

"If you don't call the transcontinental slave trade and the raping and pillaging of both Africa and the New World a Holocaust then really we've nothing to talk about."

quote me!!!!!!!!!!!

u r lying like uts now

i have dedicated my media careers to our ONGOING african/african-american holocaust

and i have not mentioned EITHER here today

alicia banks said...

mr:

this is ALSO equally racist

lumping all jews with al jolson is like lumping the BPP with uts:

"How can you call a group oppressed when that group controls the media for a large part? How quickly you forget about Al Jolson the consummate Jewish person who talked all that oppression stuff but did blackface in the next breath. Please"

alicia banks said...

dyam mr:

each post has been MORE racist, not less!!!:

"And rednecks tend to be hated as a group does that mean they are oppressed? Child molesters incur the ire of those in society...are they oppressed too? Are the Irish currently oppressed in the USA because people crack Irish jokes?

How many Jews pass for Anglo by getting nose jobs then get white power and privilege?

As long as a person has this privilege they aren't oppressed at all.

When I look at the old colonial laws from our country's inception, I see LAWS specifically written to oppress Blacks, mulattoes, mestizoes, Indians and poor whites. Strangly enough I don't see those laws on the books regarding Jews. But I'm open to correction. See this book by Leon Higginbotham."

wtf????

why are you equating oppressed jews with RABID haters who oppress others...ie child prey/black prey???


think some jews had nose jobs to evade racism/???

you are confusing surgical evasion of hatred with PRE-surgical oppression...why????

&

think the homohating laws u condone are any less "strange"???

Shady_Grady said...


Mellaneous wrote
I know bigoted was a bit of stretch but those boys on that rugby team got off because they were white and Duke got the prosecutor removed because he had the nerve to accuse some white kids of offending a black woman and a black whore at that.

I digress Field but I admit that I dislike Duke. It really does seem like they are favored by the refs and favored by the NCAA and this is so because they are perceived as the Great White Basketball Hope.


I'm not a fan of Duke basketball either. However are you referring to the lacrosse team incident? I don't think the players "got off" because they were white. The woman made a false accusation. Taxi logs and ATM photos placed some of the accused elsewhere when the alleged rape occured.

In addition DNA testing cleared all of the accused. Multiple male DNA was found in the accusers' body and underwear, none of which matched those accused of crime. This was withheld from the defense. There was also a ream of other exculpatory evidence, including statements by the other dancer.

We don't send people to prison for offending people. I wish all prosecutors or judges that were willing to railroad anyone to prison, black or white, were removed from office.

The Duke accuser is facing some unrelated charges of her own.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7370263

CNN doesn't have a definition any more. They let Fox and MSNBC take that and run with it to the bank.

alicia banks said...

mell:

thank u

many of my best heros and friends are jews

and u r far too kind

mr. and uts ALWAYS know precisely what they are saying when they are lying and hating and talking ini circles herein...they both do so routinely

i pray a jew will come along and slay them both herein asap

M. Rigmaiden said...

"and you are still dead wrong!...as none of the groups you tangentially and dishonestly mentioned ever endured a holocaust/nazis etc"AB

What you've forgotten what you said just a few minutes ago? Was that a fogue state or something? Yes you said it. I didn't. You said that none of the groups I mentioned had to endure holocaust. I mentioned Blacks mulattoes mestizoes and indians didn't I? yes I did. They experienced a very nasty Holocaust and are still paying the price for it.

The truth is that you are not debating. Debating does not consist of lumping together quotes out of context from people then beating them up due to your failed reading comprehension.

Debate does not consist of tossing about insults due to people's complexions either. That is not debate.

If you respected Lincoln and Douglas then you'd change your tune and be more polite. Debators don't name call because their game is much too tight for that crap.

Whenever a person continuously references THEMSELVES as a source, that is a good indicator that they have not a pot in which to piss when it comes to their assertions.


But let's be honest, for whatever reason you got out of the bed this morning ready for a fight. You might not be able to physically assault someone in your physical sphere so you come online to wreak havoc and insult people who don't share your worldview. Bottom line. That is sad.

Alicia, I said this before and I will say it again. You and I don't need to be engaging each other because we cannot agree on anything.

I tire from interacting with you and have tried to be nice but you aren't reasonable so I will let this alone.

alicia banks said...

mr:

stop playing!!!!!!!!:

"rednecks" and "pedophiles" HAVE never endureD a holocaust as jews...i stand by that!!!

YOU lied about the african holocaust i never mentioned!

and you have STILL NOT quoted me!!!!

YOU HAVE BEEN QUOTED AND IN CONTEXT AND YOU HAVE NEVER QUOTED ME!!!!

now you insult me FURTHER with fantasies about my life???

my links are DIVERSE and even those that link to my blog INCLUDE LONG LISTS OF ADDITIONAL links therein

scan up and read all YOU have posted!!!

then QUOTE ME!!!!

you are phony and inept and that GLARES HEREIN DAILY!!!

maria said...

UTS said:
Shepard Smith and Greta Van Susteren are moderates at best who seem liberal compared to firebreathing reactionaries that are the Fox norm.


they only look moderate for the same reason. greta is a scientologist...they are looney.

msnbc's sidecar-- CNBC -- is not liberal or moderate. they are one notch below fox on the reactionary chain. they gave birth to the tea party, thru their business talking heads rick satanelli, et. al. don't forget! they attack obama right and left. never show him any respect, have been fighting against health reform from day one and spreading lies.

they are AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL.

alicia banks said...

"Debate does not consist of tossing about insults due to people's complexions either. That is not debate."

what??? on another thread/day???
when we are discussing skin tones no less???

what debate does not consist of is this:

posting blatant racist slurs about all jews and then daring to deny them as if they are not here for all to see

attacking my life per your fantasies because u cannot even imagine having a debate skill

lumping all jews with al jolson/rednecks/pedophiles...?????

pretending that uts is not a rabidly sexist colorist racist fool just to have one sole ally herein...etc

shame on you mr.

we all see you!!!!

alicia banks said...

mr:

debate also does not consist of:

blatant rabid repulsive lies you refuse to prove by quoting me as i did you

circular logic that makes no sense and refutes your very own "pts"

etc!

shame!!!!

M. Rigmaiden said...

Goodbye Alicia.

alicia banks said...

mr:

bye.

NOTHING "good" about it though!

mellaneous said...

MR said:

"When you have economic power and extensive media control YOU control the imagery and YOU control fiscal policy. They aren't oppressed. And if I am going to be honest, they are really acting as oppressors in Israel, a place that should not exist in its current form imho."

MR you know better than that. Just because you don't believe something does not make it untrue.

The Jews in Israel are not the same people here in the US. You can't blame all Jews for the policies of the Aparthied state known as Israel.

Individual Jews own individual big businesses no doubt. In fact the folks who are Jewish who own Hollywood production companies do have the power to control images. But if the US gov't tomorrow decided to expel all Jews they would be powerless to stop it.

They are a minority and the target of racist hatred, call it what you may.

uptownsteve said...

mr

"Goodbye Alicia."

Sometimes she can mess up a wet dream, ya know?

uptownsteve said...

"They are a minority and the target of racist hatred, call it what you may."

I totally disagree.

Jews are apart of the white American mainstream and examples of this are the gleefull participation in anti-black racism by many Jews today.

Ed Koch, Neal Boortz, Mark Levin, Nicholas Stix, David Horowitz, Jackie Mason, David Brooks and several others.

The co-author of the Bell Curve was Jewish.

You name me a prominent black writer, pundit or politician who could get away with public anti-semitism.

It wouldn't happen.

And don't tell me Louis Farrakhan.

Farrakhan is a fringe figure.

mellaneous said...

Shady said:

"We don't send people to prison for offending people. I wish all prosecutors or judges that were willing to railroad anyone to prison, black or white, were removed from office.

The Duke accuser is facing some unrelated charges of her own."

Good point Shady. But actually many a Negro has been sent to jail for offending white sensibilities.

You made further the point I was trying to make which was the Duke folks got the benefit of the doubt by the system after the initial folly by the prosecutor.

They got a thorough investigation which I contend had it been the other way around the investigation would not have been as thorough.

I was making the point that the got all the benefit that upper middle class white privilege could afford them and while they may have been innocent legally they were guilty morally. And the little spoiled brats treated that woman like dirt, which is most likely what gave her the idea to go after them.

Since you are pretty read up on the case you are aware of that as well.

I know what happened my brother I was trying to make a point. And when have some falsely accused black folks gotten the DA disbarred?

And you know this Man!!

mellaneous said...

Aw come on Steve we know about all of what you mentioned, but Jews are still a numerical and physical minority.

And what I said earlier captured the multi-faceted and paradoxical relationship that blacks have had with Jews.

But no need to go generalizing you know better than that!

mellaneous said...

Steve you must not have read my earlier post I mentioned Horowitz and Brooks.

And you are right you can't get away with public anti-semitism because various Jewish defense organizations would be calling you out. And the other reason is because it misdirects folks attention from the more pernicious anti-black racism.

The capitalist which own the big business press have a field day with that kind of stuff because it gets to portray blacks as racist and gets to have Jews and blacks at one anothers throats. And who benefits?

Divide and rule baby divide and rule.

uptownsteve said...

"but Jews are still a numerical and physical minority."

Yeah but are they systematically discriminated against in America?

Assumed to be less intelligent?

Are resumes with Jewish names routinely roundfiled?

How am I generalizing?

I did not say all or even most Jews are racist.

However the fact that you have rightwing and racist Jews as a part of the American media establishment is proof positive of their mainstream status.

M. Rigmaiden said...

"But if the US gov't tomorrow decided to expel all Jews they would be powerless to stop it."Mellaneous

No Mell I completely disagree. There is enough political economy held by Jewish interests that the US government could never make such an expulsion. Zionism has infiltrated our government so much so that we sell them weapons and stand by Israel even though they blatantly oppress the Palestinians. Our foreign policy is so friendly to Israel that we'd risk a war with Iran simply to placate Israeli interests.

How can you separate Israel's legal system and government from America's? You cannot do that! They are too inextricably linked.

My Uncle spoke out against aparthied many years ago and criticized Israel for trading with South Africa. This is reasonable given the fact that SA perpetuated the most egregious separatism on the planet, aside from our great nation!

My Uncle was trying to fly out of the country last year sometime and there were problems. After an investigation turns out he had been put on the NO FLY LIST. By whom? THE ANTI DEFAMATION LEAGUE. They should not have the power to restrict anybody's travel. But if you so much as bat an eyelash at something 'Jewish' even with cause, they will ruin your life.

Blacks in this country don't have and have never had that type of power. Our President is Black but he has no power to do anything to help Black people. Were he to lift a hand he'd be impeached faster than a speeding bullet.

I don't believe what you say above and I don't believe that Jews are oppressed in the USA. Oppression requires abuse of the laws or practices to hold people down. There are no laws or practices in our society that oppress Jews at all.

Mexicans via the prison system? YES! Blacks via the prison system? YES. Jews? Where?

Just because some NeoNazi asshole says some derogatory term about Jews does not mean they are oppressed at all.

The Holocaust happened how many years ago? Yet we are still using that horrible set of events as a benchmark of oppression.

UTS is right again, haven't you read the Bell Curve?

uptownsteve said...

"The capitalist which own the big business press have a field day with that kind of stuff because it gets to portray blacks as racist and gets to have Jews and blacks at one anothers throats. And who benefits?"

How is what I said racist????

alicia banks said...

uts:

yes to all

rich jews/blacks cannot buy away any hatred!

ALL jews are not responsible for what a few do!

ditto for blacks

alicia banks said...

uts:

shame!!!

i am appalled at the rabid jew hatred herein

read this and wake up!

http://www.amazon.com/Jews-Blacks-Dialogue-Religion-Culture/dp/0452275911/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1270585986&sr=8-1

alicia banks said...

the kkk/nazis will slay a jew just as quickly as they will slay blacks and gays!

all 3 groups of us were in the same death camps!!!

alicia banks said...

omg mr:

"Just because some NeoNazi asshole says some derogatory term about Jews does not mean they are oppressed at all.

The Holocaust happened how many years ago? Yet we are still using that horrible set of events as a benchmark of oppression."

how can u deny your blatant racism????

this is precisely how the kkk speaks of james byrd/oscar grant/sean bell...

shame!!!!!

am i the only one seeing what she and uts are posting???

where are all those blog police???

how mean are they????

M. Rigmaiden said...

And lastly Mellaneous I want to say something about the use of the term minority to somehow invoke oppression.

In California, we have a very diverse state with people from all over the globe. There are tons of ethnic minorities that represent a wide variety of groups.

Do they get along? Do they have the same interests? Do they stand up to fight against 'The Man?"

There are serious issues between Blacks and Koreans, Blacks and Mexicans, Blacks and Jews even. Why is this? Just because someone is not Anglo does not mean they cannot be a racist.

When the term nigger was used around me when we first moved to Modesto, aside from white kids, guess who else loved to use that word? Mexicans and some Asians.

All this crap about 'minorities' being oppressed and sticking together is based on a big fat lie.

Minority does not imply oppression nor does it imply solidarity. Nor does it imply that minorities have historically cared about each others' struggles.

In the mid to late 1800's there was Italian immigration to the Southern US, communities were set up in Arkansas and Louisiana. They were ethnic minorities and sometimes had to live under Jim Crow. You'd think we would have had some commonalities with them and gotten along. Because they were minorities and all.

Not in Lake Charles Louisiana where the 'Degos' had to live on the colored part of town but could attend white schools. They were the main ones calling folks niggers back then. Ask my Grandparents Butch and Earline.

I think your communist orientation affects your worldview just as my life experience affects mine.

M. Rigmaiden said...

To claim that a group is oppressed you need to show evidence that laws were created to disallow them from attaining their rights and you also need to show practices other than laws that similarly deprive folks of their rights.

Nobody has done that at all.The only thing they've done is say that the Holocaust happened almost seventy years ago. In Europe. And somehow that makes Jewish people OPPRESSED in this country.

Oppression is a lot different than being the victim of prejudice. A victim of prejudice still has rights under the law; he's just dealt with assholes. A victim of OPPRESSION has no rights under the law, or their rights have been severely curtailed.

I was looking at a work about Jews in colonial America. They were certainly minorities but I still couldn't find those laws on the books that oppressed them to the degree that Blacks, mulattoes, mestizoes and Indians were oppressed.

uptownsteve said...

Outstanding MR

Right on point.

Truth is truth.

alicia banks said...

mr:

name ONE minority that has not be oppressed anywhere on the planet!

take your time

and you are STILL being racist as you deny that all jews are not rich and many jews are oppressed

alicia banks said...

uts:

name ONE minority that has not been oppressed anywhere on the planet!

cheerleading lies just makes your own lies worse!

fyi

Shady_Grady said...

@Mellaneous,
No doubt. I don't disagree at all on the general racist nature of the justice system. I would only point out that in the Duke Lacrosse case the white prosecutor was quite willing to railroad white defendants into jail regardless of evidence he had that they were innocent. So in a weird sort of way..that's progress.

Like the people at Hofstra they were fortunate to have pretty unimpeachable evidence of their innocence.

alicia banks said...

mr:



"I was looking at a work about Jews in colonial America. They were certainly minorities but I still couldn't find those laws on the books that oppressed them to the degree that Blacks, mulattoes, mestizoes and Indians were oppressed"

you would just ignore laws as regional norms anyway...so why fret???

many laws are unwritten norms

like the unwritten blog law here that declares:

uts and mr can be mean and racist all day and not one blog police shall protest

alicia banks said...

i wonder what the adl would think of what u and uts and have posted here today?

shame!!!

http://www.adl.org/

LACoincidental said...

MR, I would make a slight exception to your comments. Yes, there have historically been division amongst minorities, but this was not always the case and orchestrated by the predominant Anglo power structure. Original civil rights supporters were often ethnic Jews. The Hay Market Riots in Chicago were an example of Ethnic minorities and Blacks working together for rights. And the Chicano workers' movement lead by Cesar Chavez were inspired by MLK.

But, you are right, many white ethnics and other minority groups have begun to 'gang up' on Black folks, who struggles and fights they directly benefited from. As my Polish co-worker said "if not for civil rights movement, I'd be another Pollock scrubbing floors".

But this again in orchestrated. The dominate culture created the Minstrel Show, for example, to ensure that new European immigrants regarded Blacks as the 'lesser'.

So, we're all fighting 'the Man' its just that some of us forgot that the 'Man' don't like us.

uptownsteve said...

"and you are STILL being racist as you deny that all jews are not rich and many jews are oppressed"

Nobody said all Jews were rich.

Explain to me how Jews are oppressed.

I'm not saying they aren't but I just want to see evidence.

alicia banks said...

i wonder what joe lieberman/FAIR would say about all the rabidly anti-semitic bs uts and mr have posted here today?

shame!!!!!!!!!

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1148

alicia banks said...

uts:

YOU started all this and then baited mr into you jew hating fray...

you are an amoral soulless lying dishonest chronic intellectual masturbator herein always.

play solo/mutually with mr

carry on....

mellaneous said...

MR point made. I conceded earlier that they were a minority that is still the target of racist hatred. I think we can agree on that.

uptownsteve said...

AB

Answer my question.

How are Jews oppressed today?

mellaneous said...

"I think your communist orientation affects your worldview just as my life experience affects mine."

Okay sister MR you made your point! But I have a justice orientation, backed by my understanding of the Old and New Testament and the life of Jesus.

I admit that I misspoke but you did understand my point so lets not overdo it.

It is true however MR that Jews have been oppressed in this country. In the city of Miami Beach in the 1950's there were signs that read," NO Jews or dogs allowed."

I understand your technical point so I am sure you understand the general point.

Hathor said...

MR,
I am not sure, but I think some of the Jim Crow Laws included Jews.

alicia banks said...

mell:

thank u my dear humane bro

rabid brazen haters like mr and us act as if they have never heard of the PLO or daily hate crimes on campuses all over the globe etc!!!

ie
many country/golf clubs that would admit tiger would never admit a rich jew to date!!!

shame how arrogant ignorance blinds so may bigots to glaring realities of those they refuse to see as fellow humans like jews/females/gays

http://frontpagemag.com/2010/01/15/the-anti-semitic-jihad-on-campus-my-night-at-usc/

mellaneous said...

M Rig said:

"No Mell I completely disagree. There is enough political economy held by Jewish interests that the US government could never make such an expulsion. Zionism has infiltrated our government so much so that we sell them weapons and stand by Israel even though they blatantly oppress the Palestinians. Our foreign policy is so friendly to Israel that we'd risk a war with Iran simply to placate Israeli interests.

How can you separate Israel's legal system and government from America's? You cannot do that! They are too inextricably linked."

MR you do realize that the same could be said about pre-Nazi and Nazi Germany.

You have this relationship backwards. MR because the US is in bed with Israel does not give the Israel the power to dictate US policy. The US uses Israel for its purposes.

The tail does not wag the dog!

US imperialism that is the US government is the most powerful government in the world. Israel cannot make the US government do what it wants no more than you or I.

And the two governments are not inextricably linked. You realize that you tread dangerously close to implying some kind of Jewish cabal that is running the world.

The US and Israel are similar in that they are capitalist and have free market economies.

The US aids Israel because it suits its purpose it does not I repeat does not control US capitalism/imperialism. Its simply not true MR.

The tail does not wag the dog!

uptownsteve said...

"many country/golf clubs that would admit tiger would never admit a rich jew to date!!!"

NAME ONE.

alicia banks said...

uts:

every one that would let a clueless coon like you make cocktails in the bar!!!

alicia banks said...

mell:

guess they do miss a lot of headline news

http://www.fitsnews.com/2010/01/12/dawson-never-left-whites-only-country-club/

mellaneous said...

Thanks AB for the positive feedback. I thought you were a little hard on MR earlier but I see where she skirts the line.

MR please understand I feel your frustration. I have lived it and seen it. Remember it is I who continues to point out that the capitalists use almost anything they can to divide and rule us.

And you are right, too many folks who have similar interests as the majority of working class black folks too often work against us.

But we have to keep trying that is where I am coming from and that is not a communist orientation but a common sense one.

LAC said it best when he said:

"So, we're all fighting 'the Man' its just that some of us forgot that the 'Man' don't like us."

uptownsteve said...

"MR because the US is in bed with Israel does not give the Israel the power to dictate US policy. The US uses Israel for its purposes."

You really are naive, aren't you?

What does the US gain by it's realationship with Israel.

Indeed it's angered most of the Arab world and heightened Middle East terrorism.

Israel often ignores US requests reneges on promises like to stop building settlements and stop targeted assassinations of Palestinian Leaders.

Israel supported South Africa long after most of the world considered SA a pariah.

Israel sold military technology to rivals like China.

Yet you will hear no prominent US politician, liberal or conservative, black or white, openly condemn Israel.

And let's not forget the $10 billion in US aid annually.

maria said...

New Orleans, 1891

The fate of numerous Italian Americans was no different than that of other ethnic groups targeted by lynch mobs. The most infamous lynching of Italians occurred on March 14, 1891 in New Orleans. This event claimed eleven victims and was one of the largest multiple lynchings in American history. The catalyst for this tragedy was the unsolved murder of popular city police superintendent David Hennessy. Hennessy’s murder led to a roundup of the “usual suspects” -- in this case Italians. Those detained, immigrants from Sicily and the southern portions of Italy -- possessed swarthy complexions and were viewed with suspicion and contempt by the white protestant elite ruling New Orleans. Akin to Negroes, Italians were “not quite white” and subject to a racial prejudice only slightly subtler -- mingled with a baseless and deliberately orchestrated Mafia scare associating most Italian Americans with a vast criminal organization that did not exist in the New Orleans of that era.

The morning of March 14 was bright and sunny. By ten o’clock, a crowd of thousands was gathered by the Parish Jail, with many of them shouting, “Yes, yes, hang the dagoes!” The prison was soon attacked by a carefully selected band culled by the mobs’ leaders comprised of about twenty-five well-armed men. With battering rams ringing in their ears, the prisoners were both trapped and doomed. In the prison yard where several Italians were clustered together at one end, the hit squad of lynchers opened fire from about twenty feet away. More than a hundred rifle shots and shotgun blasts were fired into six helpless men, tearing their bodies apart. When the firing stopped, the squad inspected their victims. A man saw Pietro Monasterio’s hand twitch and yelled, “Hey, this one’s alive!” “Give him another load, “ another gunman answered. “Can’t, I ain’t got the heart.” Then one of the men walked up to the body, aimed a shotgun point-blank, and literally blew the top of Monasterio’s head away. Someone laughed. There were two or three cheers. One or two men turned their faces away, looking sick.

So it went. Joseph P. Macheca, Antonio Scaffidi, and Antonio Marchesi were shot while turning to face their pursuers. Marchesi was struck in the head by a bullet. As he raised his right hand to shield himself a shotgun charge blew off and went on to disintegrate the top of his skull. Yet he did not die until nine hours later, lying all the time where he fell.

More gunmen found Manuel Polizzi. Sitting on the floor in a corner of a cell, muttering to himself. Dragged by five men into a corridor he was shot two or three times while staring with wild eyes at nothing in particular. Antonio Bagnetto was found in another cell, pretending to be dead. He too was shot. Several of the men’s corpses were displayed to the mob outside the prison and hung on lampposts for all to see. Witnesses said that the cheers were nearly deafening.

alicia banks said...

mell:

i know mr and uts far too well


i have slain lying dishonest circular colorist sexist elitist bigots like them for decades

mellaneous said...

Steve:

Brother I know you are aware that hate groups in the US and Europe are opposed to Jews, Immigrants and blacks(in europe its Africans)


The KKK still has hatred for Jews as one of its creeds. And I can't name all of them but I have gone to some of the white supremacist websites and found that some of them still lists Jews as the enemy of humanity and suggest that they should be gotten rid of.


Come on man (lol)

maria said...

In the United States, Italian immigrants were subject to extreme prejudice, racism, and, in many cases, violence. During the 1800s and early 20th Century, Italian Americans, being seen as non-anglo and often times non-white, were the second most likely group to be lynched

guess this is where MMM gets her hatred.

alicia banks said...

mell ditto:

have you ever seen the kkk on jerry springer?

one told jerry once:

"i have a lamp made from your granny in my living room"

i despise all haters
and unlike uts and mr
i refuse to pretend that any hatred is ok/justified/legally correct/moral etc

alicia banks said...

mell:

i hate mute selectively blind blog police herein even more than i hate nazis and even more than nazis hated jews!!!....

mellaneous said...

Steve said:

You really are naive, aren't you?

What does the US gain by it's realationship with Israel.

Now who sounds naive Steve? Why do you think the US invaded Afghanistan, and Iraq and is threatening Iran. They want the resources in the region and they want to dominate the politics of the region.

What you think the US gives Israel $10 billion because if it doesn't Israel will beat them up. (lol) Come on man you don't have to study the relationship (which by the way I have) to see that the US is in a quid pro quo relationship with Israel.

Israel would have bombed the West Bank completely off the map but the US has intervened because it doesn't want to piss off its Arab economic partners.

Its all about the Benjamins my brother. And the US is holding the biggest pistol and the most pistol's in the world.

Israel is a US proxy. Steve seriously have you read how Israel came into being? You have to read the history of how Israel came to be.

You guys can go and on but Israel does not dictate to the US it just seems that way.

Why did the US "constructively engage" Apartheid? Are you serious?
Now who is being naive? Money, resources my friend money and resources. To US imperialism it was just business.

mellaneous said...

MR said:

"In the mid to late 1800's there was Italian immigration to the Southern US, communities were set up in Arkansas and Louisiana. They were ethnic minorities and sometimes had to live under Jim Crow. You'd think we would have had some commonalities with them and gotten along. Because they were minorities and all.

Not in Lake Charles Louisiana where the 'Degos' had to live on the colored part of town but could attend white schools. They were the main ones calling folks niggers back then. Ask my Grandparents Butch and Earline."

MR I feel you on this. Just so we are on the same page I never implied that this doesn't happen I was just talking about the fact that some Jews in this country have been victimized.

I was denying all the racist crap and the lack of unity that has kept us all under the thumb of the capitalist.

In fact you have to read this book title "How the Irish became white."

Its a fascinating story about how the Irish upon first arriving actually identified with the slaves quest for freedom. They stood on their own merit and on their own ethnicity for a time. But choose to side with whites and identify white when they were squeezed economically. They thought it would help them compete better.

These things happen for a reason.

Oh yeah forgot to tell you I have quite an expansive life experience as well. Notice how I never paint you in any boxes, only take on what you say.

M. Rigmaiden said...

Mellaneous, I am sorry you took what I said with a tinge of negativity. When I said you have a communist orientation, I was going on the things you have written before. You have commented previously that you identify with the communist philosophy but are not a communist due to your justice orientation. You also frequently say things like the capitalists want to divide us. My statement was sincere and I do not want you to think that I said it out of irritation. I may disagree with some of your views, but I think we both care about the state of Black people and the state of the world in general. Our worldviews are slightly different, obviously;)

With that in mind, I will not try to paint you in any box at all. I just wanted to get this straight because you were just expressing your opinion and I don't want you to think I was getting on your case; just disagreeing.

It is sometimes difficult to communicate via written language.

M. Rigmaiden said...

Hathor, thanks for piping in. You've said that there were some Jim Crow laws that were applicable to Jews and someone else said that in some places signs said Jews and dogs not allowed. Thanks for the history lesson. What I wonder is whether or not these laws were applied on the honor system...
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Mellaneous,
Regarding the Irish,I think the book you cite will be an interesting read and thank you for suggesting it:) There are really interesting stories in my family about my ancestral relationships. Apparently I had a Great Great Irish Grandfather who was known to be 'old, stingy and mean' LOL! He married my Great Great Grandmother in Kansas back in the 1800's!

mellaneous said...

Hey sister MR that will work no apology needed. WE COOL! I saw where you were coming from. I appreciate the anecdotes you made some good points.

I however want to see if we can find ways to cut through all the divisions and unite to make a better society and thus better world.

I was trying to make the point that Jews were a minority and you were right they aren't technically oppressed. As I said earlier they can hide behind their whiteness.

I just don't like being pigeon holed because you know when you start talking about wanting a just society folks start calling you a communist.

Kind of like they did the brothers and sisters who were opposing racism in the earlier half of the 20th century before the Civil Rights movement began in earnest.

And as I admit all the time I do indeed use Marxist analysis to understand capitalism and they are dead on. I use the word capitalism because that is the name of the socio/economic system we live under they even use it to describe it themselves these days. They are not afraid to say what it is because they have less fear that folks will study and find out what in fact they are suffering under.


I just don't support their ideas of how to bring about change. But I think change is needed, a change of systems is desperately needed.

So you are right we will just probably continue to disagree (lol) but for the record I don't say much about what I haven't either studied or experienced.

M. Rigmaiden said...

Yeah I agree with you Mellaneous and thanks for the response. It would be nice to cut through divisions and unite people. Sadly given the previous posts discussions on light versus darker complexioned Blacks, it seems like a daunting task.

I also feel like half the time I am on a battle field visiting here where all I am doing is what everyone else does; express their opinions. I look back and see that some stuff I typed was also a reaction in frustration. So thanks for understanding.

cinco said...

All too often this blog is overrun with rants and blathering. Hate filled incoherent sidebars...

Oh, that's right. ...this post was once about Census; CNN, etc.

M. Rigmaiden said...

incoherent sidebars...Cinco
hehehehehehehehehehehhehehehehe

Gregory said...

AB wrote:

greg:
as all hobama fans
you perpetually sweat the small stuff and fail to counter with any better info... [clip]

i respect the truth from ANY source!!!...

"He then spent the next 17 minutes and 12 seconds lulling the crowd into a daze. His discursive answer - more than 2,500 words long -- [FreeRepublic quote clipped]"


All very interesting, all very predictable and all totally irrelevant to what I posted. You claim to despise "haters" and "kkk/nazis", yet you quote a woman who flaunts the stars and bars on her website. Why? Because she feeds your paranoia?

She voted for Obama, you know? Says so on her website. Her reasoning is insane but then, so is the rest of her site.

She is a nutcase and it doesn't do you any favours to quote a nutter when making your point.

agape2010 said...

@ LA:

Not quite true about the orchestration of whites to extract the help of the "Jew" (a religion not a race...but I digress:)

In 1964 during the height of the Movement, blacks began the slogan "black power"...this was actually directed towards northern "Jews".

When Schewerner et al came up missing and prsumed dead, professors in the north began to have 2nd thoughts about sending their "Jewish" students to the south for sit-ins.

Blacks saw this and decided to part ways with what had actually been a great relationship- deciding that blacks should determine their own fate and destiny.

It was actually the Black Power Movement that determined the relationship (or lack thereof) between blacks and "Jews" :)

Peace.
~agape2010~

agape2010 said...

@ AB, MR, Mell et al:

While there was a time in this country that "Jews" (see above) were oppressed...they no longer hold that title.

"Jews" hold special power in America. They will never be forced out.

Why? In a word...Goldman Sachs :) Or how about...Rothschilds...Speigels...
Guggenheim...Macy's...

Need I say more :)

Peace.
~agape2010~

uptownsteve said...

Mellaneous

You never answered my question..

What has the US gained in it's partnership with Israel?

And being "hated" does not equate with being "oppressed".

Anonymous said...

Eric, you are lying! Produce one person who is ready and willing to say that one of the census workers showed up on their doorstep and harassed them and threatened to take them off to jail
 
It's strange how much like a right-winger Field sounds like, except from the other side of the fence.
 
Field doesn't feel that the black congressmen that made the allegation should have to prove their claims yet someone Field disagrees with should.
 
Hypocrite?

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