You all know me, I am not a blatherskite. I don't like to delve into the salacious and juciy gossip out there. Strictly the serious stuff like societal problems and politics for the kid.....OK OK, that's bullshit. I love a juicy story as much as the next guy. So with that in mind I have to write about Oprah and her former paramour.
Now there are strange couples and there are strange couples. I don't know, maybe it's just me, but Oprah and John Tesh just seems kind of strange. I know she likes her men tall but...
"Before Oprah loved Stedman, there was John Tesh.
An exclusive excerpt from Kitty Kelley's upcoming tell-all Oprah Winfrey biography claims the talk-show queen enjoyed a 1970s romance with an unlikely live-in lover: John Tesh.
The towering 6-foot-6 Tesh and a barely out-of-her-teens Winfrey shared her Nashville apartment until he bolted in the middle of the night, according to the first-ever look inside the book, obtained by the Daily News.
According to Kelley, the "social pressure" on an interracial couple in Tennessee at that time proved too much for Tesh to handle.
"He said one night he looked down and saw his white body next to her black body and couldn't take it anymore," another Tesh ex-paramour told Kelley." [story]
Oh lawd John, what were you thinking? Still, don't feel bad, I could have bought shares of Disney's stocks a few years back and I passed. You must have the same sinking feeling thinking about what could have been. Oprah!? Just think John, you let a little thing like interracial dating come between you and millions of dollars. Mr. and Mrs. John Tesh. That has a nice ring to it. But sorry, it's too late to get her down the aisle, now. Just ask Stud...I mean Stedman.
Kitty Kelley, I sure hope you ain't lying about the "Queen of daytime." Because if you are, she will sue your ass and it won't be pretty. And I can't say that I would blame her. I mean just imagine, you put something like this out there and the next thing you know it will show up on all types of blogs.
108 comments:
ok, that's obviously not a valid reason to break up with her. but how much you do know about tesh? he's a conservative born-again. never would have worked anyway.
FIRST HA!
Weird. What an irrational thought from who seemed to be somewhat of a rational person.
and, if i may ask, please say some prayers or give a wish out to the universe or whatever for my friend UBM, who's funeral service is tomorrow. tonight, in less than an hour treme, his pride and joy, premieres on HBO. many of -- MR, too, i am sure--remain so torn-up by his sudden death.
sure the show will open with some mention of him.
RIP, to a great, big-hearted, kind fellow of rare talent. it was my honor to know him.
Field cut it out (lol)
Field ya'll I just read some of the comments section under Roland Martins commentary piece asking if the Confederates were terrorist.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/04/11/martin.confederate.extremist/index.html?hpt=C1
The Tea party stuff was wild but these comments say that there are people living among us that are from another planet.
This is a little unnerving. Even if one thinks that Martin is guilty of a bit of overkill in his comparisons, there is no way to defend the actions of the Confederacy and its willingness to go to war to defend its so-called way of life.
Here is a juicy sample from one commentor who is obviously a bit educated. But miseducated nevertheless.
"For anyone who still doesn't know, the Civil War was not over slavery. Slavery was the pretext. The real reason for the Civil War was the industrial north vs. the agrarian south. The North wanted to expand industrialism and the South wanted the North to mind its own business."
The problem with this statement is that the SO-CALLED BENIGN AGRARIAN SOUTH was a SLAVOCRACY. He is only part right it was a clash of systems but the southern system included dehumanization of what were obvioulsly living and breathing human beings.
Here I am reading your post on the Supreme Court after reading Robert Reich's latest post about using immigration as a way to save Boomer entitlements. It's a new spin and I like it: robertreich.org.
Anyway, then your post on John Tesch and Oprah pops up! WTF?!# So out of character for you. Such gossip and from Kitty Kelley no less. Have you ever read one of her books? She's one step below TMZ. And John Tesh is so smarmy.
But, hey, it is a funny idea.
Oprah also dated Roger Ebert for a time during the 80s.
Roger Ebert?
@FN:
Really???? John Tesh????? And Oprah????
Nah....rommies maybe....I can see him skipping out on the rent...but sleeping together for sex...Nah...I just don't see it...
But...
Stranger things have happened ;)
Peace.
~agape2010~
Yeah, Roger Ebert apparently likes black women; he went on to marry a black attorney. He wrote an article recently in regards to the John Mayer incident entitled "To John Mayer Regarding Black Women: What's Not to Like?'
"Robert Reich's latest post about using immigration as a way to save Boomer entitlements. It's a new spin and I like it: robertreich.org."
This was on NPR the other day. There were so many questions from readers whether this was a reasonable proposal. So they had USC Professor Dowell Myers do an analysis of it. He calculates that the immigration solution would only address 1/4 of the problem, but that it would be a much needed immediate boost.
http://marketplace.publicradio.org/display/web/2010/04/08/pm-letters-demography-q/
Didn't Tina Fey ask Oprah about Jamie Foxx the other day?
What jobs are these immigrants going to fill? We can't even find enough jobs that pay a living wage for our actual citizens, even many with college degrees?
Oprah and John Tesh ... that hit me out of right field ... just as the phils look like they might be starting something this year ...
John Tesh? John Feckin' Tesh?
I really thought Oprah had better taste, in every regard. True, she would have been a young girl and I would totally understand if she wanted to keep this on the DL.
Word verification: jeess
Field,
Off topic, but I don't know if you are familiar with Gary Younge, a correspondent for the Guardian.co.uk. Today's column is a classic,
The Republicans are like frat boys in Animal House
Reckless, anarchic and strident, the American right is living in a parallel world where fear and rage drive out the facts
This is worth reading and reprinting.
Thanks Gregory for this article good description of what's goin on in the right and good analogy, well it was interesting.
And imagine the mileage the folks with the real power are getting out of all of this foolishness.
Yep they are getting richer each day.
Gregory did you read the comments under Roland Martins commentary.
I think Martin was a little incendiary because the real culprits were the monied owners of Southern industry and the large plantation owners.
The soldiers were more dupes and cannon fodder than terrorists.But they weren't saints, they were clearly in collusion.
Repeat after me: Their past relationship is none of my business.
szpork
Forget Oprah and John Tesh. I want a book from Stedman. I really want to know how Stedman has been surviving all of this time hidden away like he is. I just have a feeling that there is a lot of weirdness going on in that so-called relationship.
Motives for fighting for the Confederacy were many. Robert E Lee joined the Confederate Army only after his home state of Virginia seceded-a move he disagreed with. Longstreet joined the Confederacy after deciding his ultimate loyalty lay with his home state. If many Confederate soldiers were dupes, then so were most union men. Union soldiers (usually poor laborers) had little to gain or lose from the outcome of the Civil War. Butchers like Grant sacrificed over 100,000 men to win a four year war that should have lasted months. you could just as easily call most union soldiers dupes as well.
Mell,
Yes, Martin was a bit incendiary but sometimes you have to light a fire to shed light on a topic.
Great granpappy Cletus may be a hero to his family today but the cause he fought for is hardly considered to be universally noble. As Martin pointed out, in today's context he might even be considered to be a terrorist, clearly meant as a warning to the teabaggers yearning for the good old days when secession seemed like a good idea.
I think Yogi Berra said that nostalgia just not what it used to be. Clearly there are a lot of people that don't like to be reminded just what great granpappy Cletus was fighting to maintain.
I can't believe you wasted your time writing about this... you could have done better writing about the MASTERS!
He's looking for a BM vs. BW interracial fight from the usual suspects. UTS and Jaws will be here shortly.
He said one night he looked down and saw his white body next to her black body and couldn't take it anymore,"
BWA HA HA HA HA
I'll bet it really hurts now.
I like John Tesh's music. I had no idea and I think that is interesting and weird. I have no idea who Kitty Kelley is though! As to interracial dating in the 70's i the SOUTH? That must have been hard. When I lived in Atlanta I went out with all ethnicities and when they were white, some people could be very, very rude and this was in the 90's! The social pressure must have been very difficult!
M. Rigmaiden,
I'd have dated you in the 90s. Social pressure be damned! You are fine plus ninety nine, girl !
Anonymous 12:13:
That was cute and it rhymed! :)
"Repeat after me: Their past relationship is none of my business."
BTW, I co-sign with szpork.
Field:
Have you read this yet?
"Now that the Tax Policy Center has projected that about 47% of Americans will pay no federal income taxes, those very same Forbes on Fox folks are up in arms with accusations that the lower and middle classes are not paying their fair share. One panelist even suggested this will lead to increased youth suicide."
That last suggestion by the panelist is an example of just how far Fox We Make It Up News will go will go with lies and deception. Smh! That ought to really get those teabaggers and White Power Barbie(Palin) stirred up.
if THIS is the most 'spicy' thing of the book...
Oprah is a boring person.
Police: N. Idaho man fired gun near census worker.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4340153
word verification - prophecy
excuse me I meant prophery
Filled Negro:
You are slipping.
As a lawyer I'd expect you to do some research on Tennessee in order to determine the year that their miscegenation laws were retired.
You could then do a Lexis/Nexis search to see if there were any news reports filed that detailed the bricks thrown through Tesh's window. The son of that brick thrower against Winfrey/Tesh is now the leader of the state's Tea Party Movement.
You need to retain the racism chasing integrity of your blog. I am disappointed in you.
[quote]Field ya'll I just read some of the comments section under Roland Martins commentary piece asking if the Confederates were terrorist. [/quote]
Mellaneous The Christian Journalist:
The "former Confederate fighters" WERE TERRORISTS!!!!
* They were the "Red Shirts" that violently attacked Black people who were in political office and any Whites that dared support them.
* They orchestrated the Colfax Massacre in Louisiana
A TERRORIST is defined by WHAT THEY DO.
MELLANEOUS THE CHRISTIAN JOURNALISTS.......DO YOU BELIEVE THAT TODAY'S 'STREET PIRATES' ARE TERRORISTS?"
Why is the Black Community spending more time focusing on the CONFEDERATES from 1865 and beyond more than the present wave of TERROR being rained upon our communities?
Why is the Black Community spending more time focusing on the CONFEDERATES from 1865 and beyond more than the present wave of TERROR being rained upon our communities?
Prioritization of impending threats. Your so-called "street pirates" can only engage in low-level gangsterism and thievery. The confederates, on the other hand, will gain enough power to permanently effect negative changes upon the entire Black community if allowed such. You choose to ignore the dog whistles at your own peril.
Mack:
Thank you for breaking that down and explaining it to CF because he just doesn't seem to get it. Hopefully, he'll get it this time, if not, well, like you said at his own peril. *sigh*
Mmm Stedman's hotter.
John Tesh is lucky that someone even wanted to have sex with him. It's always the ulgy ones complaining the most.
"You could then do a Lexis/Nexis search to see if there were any news reports filed that detailed the bricks thrown through Tesh's window. The son of that brick thrower against Winfrey/Tesh is now the leader of the state's Tea Party Movement."
Tesh is the leader of a Tea Party Movement? Well I will be. Go figure.
"Repeat after me: Their past relationship is none of my business."
Their past relationship is none of my business.
"I can't believe you wasted your time writing about this... you could have done better writing about the MASTERS!"
OK, here you go: Lefty wins his third Green Jacket and Tiger places fourth. The crowds were, for the most part, respectful.
Gregory, thanks for that link. The Guardian is one of my favorite papers.
Farman, I am somewhat familiar with that thesis by Reich. I am not sure if I am all in,though. I have to read more about it.
[quote]Prioritization of impending threats. Your so-called "street pirates" can only engage in low-level gangsterism and thievery. The confederates, on the other hand, will gain enough power to permanently effect negative changes upon the entire Black community if allowed such[/quote]
Mack Is Lying:
Thank you.
You have just single handedly acknowledged EVERYTHING that I have been arguing about the Black Quasi-Socialist Progressive Fundamentalist Racism Chaser and your proclivity toward BLACK INFERIORITY.
1) low-level gangsterism and thievery = INFERIOR assaults upon Black people DESPITE the fact that they:
A) Kill Black people (or do you not watch the news?)
B) Wage assaults upon the businesses in our community forcing them out of business as COSTS go up and PROFITS go down from having to replace broken windows OR hire new clerks because the last one is either killed or has quit due to Post Traumatic Street Pirate Robbery Syndrome
C) Deny the rest of our children a quality education because the "Pirates In Training" are disruptive toward classroom instruction
Mack Is Lying:
You fear what the White man MIGHT DO to our community more than you are concerned what the Street Pirate IS DOING to our community.
Can you tell me that you see these two HUMAN BEINGS AS EQUAL?
Thus far the Whites that you are speaking of have learned that the best thing they can do to up end the agenda of the Black Progressive-Fundamentalists is to MOVE AWAY AND LEAVE YOU ALL ALONE TO RUN YOUR COMMUNITIES with respect to your ideology.
In due time you all will be running back to them talking about SOCIAL CONTRACTS with each other in the name of Social Justice.
Stay tuned Mack Is Lying: I just grabbed a week's worth of news clips in my series "What Is Making Black Women Cry Today On The Evening News?".
I was so happy when the Black woman shot the Street Pirate in the BACK SIDE. He broke into her house with a ladder and she used her 2nd Amendment Ammo to teach him a lesson that would lead to a protest march had the police done the same thing.
An Armed Citizenry is the most effective means of quelling the swam of Street Piracy which is injuring our communities.
[quote]Thank you for breaking that down and explaining it to CF because he just doesn't seem to get it. Hopefully, he'll get it this time, if not, well, like you said at his own peril. *sigh*[/quote]
My beloved Granny!!
Now what if I hoped that Filled Negro would get assaulted by one of the criminals that he helped get out of jail in order to "teach him a lesson"?
Would you like it if I did this?
It is the very same as what you are wishing upon me with regard to White folks.
Do you not see that you are playing the "Uncle Tom character"? After the "Field Negroes" had escaped and were brought back in chains and then whipped - the person who played your part was saying: "SEE I TOLD YOU SO!! Now you will learn your lesson. You all didn't want to listen to me when I told you not to think foolish thoughts of freedom and independence for the Negro."
cf said:
An Armed Citizenry is the most effective means of quelling the swam of Street Piracy which is injuring our communities.
really!? not sure i've heard you put it so succinctly. now i get it all. what a reactionary, extremist position to take. i will never agree with anything you say.
John Tesh and Oprah???????
That's about as tripped as Flavor Flav and Bridgette Nielsen.
CF
"Why is the Black Community spending more time focusing on the CONFEDERATES from 1865 and beyond more than the present wave of TERROR being rained upon our communities?"
Mack is right.
You are a prevaricator at best and an outright liar at worst.
You couldn't prove in a million years that the average black person is more concerned with confederates and tea baggers than street crime.
You are on this endless mission for your beloved massa to try to convince African-Americans that we don't have the right to confront white people over racism until we get our proverbial "house in order".
That's straight out of the Pat Buchanan playbook.
That ought make a black man real proud.
Like Dolly Parton, there is a "close woman friend" in Oprah's life. Meanwhile, Dolly is married and Oprah has Steadman. Clearly the men serve a P.R. function, and little else.
Even the name of "Steadman" is amusing. Like the lead male character in the TV show Thirty Something -- Michael Steadman. He provided the image of The Steady Dependable Man.
Anyway, what Truth Quotient does Kitty Kelley rate? It seems to me she's willing to repeat, or perhaps impute almost any story that will sell her books.
Moreover, it's unlikely there's any legal risk in manufacturing a tale of co-habitation for Oprah and Tesh. Neither suffers from the story. No reputations are tarnished or careers harmed.
As for Kelley sticking her mind probe into the head of Tesh and tapping that long-ago, middle-of-the-night thought about the Oprah/Tesh skin color contrast, well, with skills like that she can put all the clairvoyants, mediums and card readers out of business.
LMAO@The Oprah/John Tesh Mashup...
That was back in the late 70s too, when Afros were still in style--I'd pay to see a blaxploitation flashback of the O+John Heydays-ala Pam Grier a/k/a Coffy a/k/a Foxy Brown.
Seriously, this story is so odd that it just might be true.
Holy crap. John Tesh. I had to double check the calendar to make sure it wasn't still April 1.
Speaking of powerful black women, wouldn't it be nice to finally have a "Sistah" on the US Supreme Court?
ABCNews is reporting that Leah Ward Sears has been added to President Obama's short list for consideration.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/04/another-name-on-president-obamas-supreme-court-short-list.html
She would be the first African-American Woman to ever sit on the Court.
Over at WEESeeYou.com, we give thorough evidence for why Sears would be an ideal nominee (more than just nominating her b/c she's AA):
http://weeseeyou.com/2010/04/07/for-your-consideration-mr-president-leah-ward-sears-for-the-u-s-supreme-court/
To paraphrase a scripture, "we have not because we ask not." WEE are asking PBO to consider Sears for the High Court.
I think this is friggin' hilarious. This might change my whole view on Oprah if she not only let that tool have her, she actually lived with him too? I wonder which one them regrets this becoming public the most, him or her?
Webb, I read last year after Souter retired that Ward Sears was retiring from the Georgia Supreme Court because there were things she wanted to do so I assumed that she wasn't interested in a higher level judicial appointment.
But I can see where Obama is going with this since the Rethugs have already hinted that they will attempt to fillerbuster whoever Obama's nominee is and after all of this Confederate mess what would they look like if they tried to block the first African American female nominee from the SCOTUS.
[quote]You are a prevaricator at best and an outright liar at worst.[/quote]
Get this WhiteBowieSteve:
I SEE WHAT YOU and other Progressive-Fundamentalist are doing in the name of BLACKNESS.
When I CALL YOUR FRAUD OUT - it is ME who is called the "Black Hater".
Ironically there is NO POINT at which a Black person who shows:
* Police On Black Violence
* White On Black Violence
* Discrimination Against Blacks
* Racism From Republicans/Tea Parties
will EVER be claimed to be OVERBOARD in regards to his focus beyond the real world negative impact that any of these forces have upon Black people.
YET - A person like me who HAS THE DAMNED AUDACITY to see "Black people Crying on the News" and be the VOICE OF THE VOICELESS - notating their STREET PIRATE ATTACKER......In your BIGOTRY I risk being called ANTI-BLACK because I committed the cardinal sin:
I FAILED TO MAKE THE CHARGE THAT THE STREET PIRATES DO AS THEY DO BECAUSE OF A LEGACY OF WHITE RACISM THAT CHANNELED THEM DOWN THIS PATH.
Screw you WhiteBowieSteve!
[quote]You couldn't prove in a million years that the average black person is more concerned with confederates and tea baggers than street crime.[/quote]
So I should NOT make reference to the QUANTITY OF FOCUS?
WhiteBowieSteve - Did you hear any national outrage over the MURDER of the Black Mayor in Washington Park Illinois last week? You say that BLACK OFFICIALS SHOULD NOT BE SPAT UPON.
What about them getting SHOT IN THE CHEST and murdered?
You are a FRAUD.
[quote]
You are on this endless mission for your beloved massa to try to convince African-Americans that we don't have the right to confront white people over racism until we get our proverbial "house in order".[/quote]
NO. Actually I want you to see yourself as EQUAL TO THE WHITE MAN!!!!
When a Black man uses the same brand of Smith and Wesson to kill a Black man as a WHITE MAN used to kill a Black man - I need for YOU TO SEE THAT "EQUAL HUMAN BEINGS HAVE KILLED A BLACK MAN".
In your fraudulence you know that there is greater IDEOLOGICAL and POLITICAL opportunism by going after WHITEY.
The more POWER your fraudulent machine gets the more you are prone to fight OUTWARD so that you don't have to stand accountable for the failed results.
WhiteBowieSteve: How are the CONFEDERATES going to address the recent increase in Black unemployment from 15.8% to 16.5%?
Do you see that when our community's PERMANENT INTERESTS are have a dashboard light FLASHING - bigots like you need to do more to keep our people DISTRACTED on the Confederates and Tea Party.
YOU ARE A FRAUD!!
Unfortunately I don't blame you.
It is OUR PEOPLE - the Rank and File that has FAILED to see you for who you are and to develop TRANSPARENT SYSTEMS by which YOU or whom ever else stands on stage to lead us in a direction can be APPRAISED.
[quote]But I can see where Obama is going with this since the Rethugs have already hinted that they will attempt to fillerbuster whoever Obama's nominee is and after all of this Confederate mess what would they look like if they tried to block the first African American female nominee from the SCOTUS.[/quote]
Rogue-DEM-Trick:
Ironically the statue of Ted Kennedy GREW as he worked hard to keep Brother Justice Clarence Thomas off of the court.
I don't have a problem with Ms Sears from Georgia. I can think of no court case where she assumed the INFERIORITY OF BLACK PEOPLE as the basis for her ruling (see Ricci vs New Haven)
I heard a prediction that Obama is going to seek to rescue his pal Duval Patrick by offering him the spot so that he won't have to suffer through a bruising reelection battle in MA.
Field,
Off topic, but I don't know if you are familiar with Gary Younge, a correspondent for the Guardian.co.uk. Today's column is a classic
Well of course it's a classic, Younge has his roots in Barbados.
All the best people do.
I can't believe you wasted your time writing about this... you could have done better writing about the MASTERS!
You would have to wonder if Tiger's wife saw Phil Mickelson and his own blond wife at the end of the tournament. It was nice to see a true gentleman pull out a big win and declare it was for his wife. There's still some class left in golf.
CF wrote:
"An Armed Citizenry is the most effective means of quelling the swam of Street Piracy which is injuring our communities."
"When a Black man uses the same brand of Smith and Wesson to kill a Black man as a WHITE MAN used to kill a Black man - I need for YOU TO SEE THAT "EQUAL HUMAN BEINGS HAVE KILLED A BLACK MAN"."
A couple of weeks ago I asked CF to outline his proposed solution to the problem of "street piracy". He gave the usual evasions and non-answers that have become his trademark.
Now we know. CF says we should shoot the motherfuckers.
Field, maybe you should add another sidebar category: Slavecather of the Day.
Gregory,
"Now we know. CF says we should shoot the motherfuckers"
Now of course we should ask CF how many street pirates he's confronted or shot over the years
CF why do you keep referring to me as a Christian journalist as if thats a bad thing? Yeah I am a Christian and I practice the best I can what I believe the Bible and Jesus were trying to teach us which was love of God, love of fellow human beings and love of justice.
Aren't you according to you a Christian who has been calling himself a journalist?
What's your point? I am in fact as I said an activist, a preacher and a journalist.
CF said:
"An Armed Citizenry is the most effective means of quelling the swam of Street Piracy which is injuring our communities."
Are you calling on vigilante justice? Is this where all your ranting and raving about black street crime is leading? And is that consistent with Jesus message of love and forgiveness?
Is this really the best solution you could come up with?
Why can't you wrap your mind around the fact that it is the conditions that are producing the pathology of street crime?
In the black community add a feeling of self-hatred induced by the knowledge that one is living in a society that takes a dim view of ones humanity along with the very real specter of societal and institutional discrimination. Add to that limited opportunities and you have a perfect brew for hopelessness and aimlessness that are a perfect breeding ground for crime.
The white community is experiencing its own alienation. Since you seem to be glued to the crime pages, haven't you read about the crimes that whites have committed against their family members and co-workers and fellow citizens. Crime is not a "black thing."
Or have you not paid attention to the latest economic crimes,which have been committed by Wall Street, types, lawyers and other white business folks. What motivated these folks to steal I mean they weren't being discriminated against they had the best education and they were already doing well financially.
How do you explain the reasons for their criminality?
It isn't obvious that there is something wrong with the system?
I will give you this it is consistent with the kind of thinking that the capitalist do when they can't con you or cheat you. Ultimately they pull a pistol on you (read send their army, navy) and take your stuff or force folks to work at supbar wages.
I guess we can write you off as the crank that we all suspected that you were.
A comment about guns...I will say this, I do think that if people can have guns they can protect themselves against urban, suburban and rural terrorism.
My husband and his family lived right outside of Yosemite, in Mariposa years ago. The Metzger clan had an installation there and they had a church of the creator site not too far down the road from my husband and his families property.
One of my husbands friends, a young birracial boy, was gunned down by a Neo Nazi skinhead. They never 'caught' who shot the boy but there were suspicions...
I am almost certain that the Neo Nazi jerkwad was not carrying LEGALLY registered weapons. The problem with gun control policy is that it presupposes that people will be honest enough to apply the regulations when buying and selling guns. But if you hang out with any gun nut (and I have in the foothills of California), you'd realize that very few gun owners register their guns according to the laws of their state or the Federal government. There are enough guns out there that the system is completely skirted nine times out of ten.
Strict gun control will really only hurt law abiding citizens from defending themselves AGAINST TERRORISTS like those Neo Nazis, who have caches of ILLEGALLY imported weapons.
Ala Hiram Revels, I do believe that most gun control laws are rooted in a good notion, but are near impossible to implement and in some sense restrict a person's ability to defend themselves when they need it the most.
And I challenge ANYBODY who has ever kicked it in the California foothills (Mariposa, Coulterville, Groveland etc) to say that I'm wrong.
You guys that don't go camping or live in rural California have no idea how rough it can be out here. The skinheads and other racist groups like to hang out in the foothills...
Being a Black social conservative is like being a red bean in a bag of white rice, or a jelly bean in a bag of popcorn, or a cat in a cage with snakes, it's like playing football with a baseball. It's stupid, doesn't make sense, and you got to be crazy as hell.
M. Rigmaiden, we're not talking about rural California. We're talking about everyday life in the ghetto.
Why can't you and CS/CF be honest and stop changing the subject.
Granted some people are killed in the crossfire of violence ( that is what usually makes the news, but most people who are injured or killed are either aquainted with the perp or are involved in some shady activity. So let's not act if they are completely innocent.
Field, I really appreciate you touching upon this subject because there is no way that I would have ever believed that Oprah was getting her groove on with John Tesh. I was under the impression that O didn't engage in such activity with anyone other than Stedman Graham or Gayle King, perhaps.
Just kidding.
I might need to lay off the tabloid reading for awhile.
Did you read the story that Oprah and Jamie Foxx might have a hidden relationship?
Serious.
Foxx possibly has better sense when it comes to women than Tesh.
"Did you read the story that Oprah and Jamie Foxx might have a hidden relationship?"
Blame it on the A-A-A-Al-CO-HOL
Roderick, I wasn't making a comment directed towards you at all, nor trying to insinuate myself into your discussion. I was replying to CF's post. I take offense when you accuse me of being dishonest. I speak from my own experience.
You are being shortsighted when you restrict a discussion about Black people to the ghetto. There are many Blacks in California who live in rural places and NEED measures of protection. Have you not heard of Weed, California that is a Black town near Shasta?
Your ignorance speaks bounds. Especially in California, where the majority of Blacks in the Northern part of the state live in suburban areas ala Sacramento, Stockton and the Central Valley. Our stories are just as valid as the next person's.
You still cannot take me up on the challenge because you likely haven't been to the California foothills. Go kick it in Groveland or Coulterville for a few MINUTES and then I want you to tell me if you still believe in gun control!
A lot of people do stupid things with guns too, like the lady who shot her cousin over Easter attire. But I think those cases are few and far between.
Gun controls where normal people cannot access guns is problemmatic on many, many levels.
We disagree on this topic.
Ellie Nessler will always be my hero.
You are on this endless mission for your beloved massa to try to convince African-Americans that we don't have the right to confront white people over racism until we get our proverbial "house in order".
uptownsteve, you nailed it. That's exactly what it is.
I bet CF has so internalized his mission as a water boy for his massas that even he no longer realizes what he does. It's as though he's on permanent autopilot.
A couple of weeks ago I asked CF to outline his proposed solution to the problem of "street piracy". He gave the usual evasions and non-answers that have become his trademark.
Now we know. CF says we should shoot the motherfuckers.
Close, but not quite. I think even CF doesn't want to admit what his real "solution" to street piracy is: to have Whites solve the problem for him. And what solution will White America come up with? You can look around and figure that one out.
Who says that I am a gun control advocate.
All I am saying is that most crime that occurs happens between aquaintances.
Most of the crimes between strangers is hyped by the media.
I have no problem with persons in urban areas having access to guns but don't believe that it will be some panecea urban violence.
Oh yeah and the John Tesh Oprah thing--YUCK!!!
If it's true then it sounds as if John was a gigolo.
Thought, well, weird, Oprah and John Tess isn't the strangest hook-up I've heard of in the media. At least John Tess didn't run around in Black face like Whoopi's old squeeze, Ted Danson (Still love cheers though).
Hell, James Carville and Mary Matlin have been married for years -- figure that one out.
Gregory said...
Field,
Off topic, but I don't know if you are familiar with Gary Younge, a correspondent for the Guardian.co.uk. Today's column is a classic,
The Republicans are like frat boys in Animal House
Reckless, anarchic and strident, the American right is living in a parallel world where fear and rage drive out the facts
This is worth reading and reprinting.
10:37 PM
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Pretty sad that a bloke from the UK is telling it like it is, unlike these homegrown pundits here in the good 'ol U.S. of A.
Good Job, Greg.
LACoincidental said... Hell, James Carville and Mary Matlin have been married for years -- figure that one out.
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Yeah Carville looks like a space alien and Matlin looks like the witch from Snow White.
But somehow their children look normal. Go figure.
'Gun Control' is utter nonsense.
the ONLY people in America that cannot get firearms LEGALLY in the United States are LAW-ABIDING URBAN DWELLERS like me.
Suburban folk have them.
Rural folk have them.
And, the Urban Terrorists who are terrorizing Urban America certainly have them - illegally, of course.
But, a law-abiding citizen who lives in Urban America like myself?
Oh no...there are pages of laws as to why I'm left DEFENSELESS.
That's why these gun control laws need to be struck down, and
coming to an Urban Community near you...
The Crispus Attucks Gun Club.
On gun control -- there's little reason for sane thinking citizens to have guns in a modern state. I understand MR's plight, visiting my gf in Fresno county. But for the most part, guns cause more harm than good. For those who hold to their rifles and glocs, let me break it down how silly it is:
Defend yourself from the "government" -- yeah, it worked so well David Koresh and Operation MOVE. If anything a small arsenal will attract more law enforcement and not send them away. Like Bill Maher said, a guns kind of useless against a government with napalm and tanks.
Scaring off robbers -- Uhm, no. Many crooks and thugs get their guns by stealing them from homes. But honestly, a good neighborhood watch does more to scare of gang bangers and drug dealers than that .38 you have under the bed. You're more likely to shoot yourself or your dog than to take out a thief.
Hunting -- First of all a hunting rifle is different than an Uzi. You don't need an AK-47 to hunt a deer.
Last point is just my personal pet peeve against hunting, so please forgive me.
But almost no one in America needs to hunt. Unless you live in the mountains alone, leave Bambi alone and go to the grocery store.
There are exceptions. If you're alone in the boondocks with the Klan, a 9 mil may be necessary. And like I said, moose meat makes sense if you're working the Alaskan pipelines, far from civilization. For all else, there are smarter ways to defend ourselves in the modern world than guns.
LAC, where I live there is a town called Salida. It is about five miles from my home North. They burned crosses there every spring until 1996. They stopped because the county got them on air pollution. They burned these crosses on their own land but donned KKK robes. In 1996. Right down the road from my house. They had the white knights of the kkk out in Keyes, CA which is about fifteen miles down the road from me. I went there all the time when I tutored private clients. It is eery. I go wherever I please because it is my right, but you can still feel a bit nervous in those parts. And mind you Mariposa is just about fifty miles up the road from my house. They still have NeoNazis that stay out there, and I have family there to this day.
When you talk of Fresno County, and perhaps needing a gun is it due to gang violence or racism or both? Fresno is a couple hours drive down the road from my house.
I agree that you don't need an uzi to go hunting. But I don't think that hunting is useless and we are certainly going to put our boy in hunting classes when he is old enough. Marksmanship is a must for any person that wields a gun or weapon they aim remotely.
I think that many Blacks in urban areas don't have a clue as to what Blacks in rural and suburban areas are going through. I have lived in urban areas and the realities are such that I champion gun ownership as does Rikyrah.
They are being terrorized by people who don't legally purchase guns in the first place1
Roderick
"But somehow their children look normal. Go figure."
Sometimes two ugly people can make cute kids.
Then look at Rick Fox and Vanessa Williams kids.
Goofy lookin.
"He said one night he looked down and saw his white body next to her black body and couldn't take it anymore,"
More likely he looked down at that fat ass and said he couldn't take it anymore.
MR -
Like I said, I don't care for hunting personally. Chasing down a wild animal for sport (and not survival) just seems wrong. I'm also vegetarian so no surprise.
Fresno County has many problems with racism, primarily from many towns literally chasing Black folks out after 6 PM. My mother also grew up in South Carolina -- where certain parts have not racial progressed based the 1940's.
Even then, I'd say that until Black folks stand united against this nonsense, the racists just pick us off one by one. Violence, particularly gun violence, is the very last resort -- only because it often cause more problems than it solves.
I still stand by my belief that in a modern western society, we don't really need to pack heat. It ain't the wild west. If you've got issues with gang bangers -- call the cops. That's what they're paid to do. If the cops are the problem, address it through political action.
Its amazing how Americans are so quick to pick a weapon and forget that we have laws and political structures so we don't have to blow each others brains out to fix things.
rikyrah said...
"'Gun Control' is utter nonsense.
the ONLY people in America that cannot get firearms LEGALLY in the United States are LAW-ABIDING URBAN DWELLERS like me.
Suburban folk have them.
Rural folk have them."
Suburban and rural folk don't elect liberal overlords to run their lives. Urban areas are one-party states where decisions are made for you.
LAC, have you lived a good quality of life where you've never had to worry for your personal safety? I can only guess that you have if you honestly believe that calling the police will help with gang violence.
I can tell you from personal experience that law enforcement is almost one hundred percent ineffective in dealing with gangs and gang violence. Otherwise we wouldn't hear stuff on the news every night about this gang and that gang etc.
I don't mean to be cynical but have lived in East Oakland where a man was shot and killed in front of our home. Or when a crackhead literally was slamming their body against our back door to break into our home back in the day. How long did it take the police to get to our house? WELL OVER AN HOUR. Forgive me if I do not share your optimism. I went from one environment where Black people are killing each other to another environment where I really DO have to worry about the KKK and skinheads as well as other Black folks. Seriously.
I challenge you to go to Mariposa, Groveland, and Coulterville for ONE DAY. Go to those places and then tell me if you feel the same.
Not to take away from any nasties you got in Fresno County, but Fresno has far more Blacks than my neck of the woods. For God's sakes I've come across people out here who never even met a Black person before. That is changing little by little but like I said we are only 3% of the population here...perhaps less if you count the illegal immigrant workers.
[quote]A couple of weeks ago I asked CF to outline his proposed solution to the problem of "street piracy". He gave the usual evasions and non-answers that have become his trademark.
Now we know. CF says we should shoot the motherfuckers[/quote]
Gregory (don't worry your name is baking in the oven), Mack Is Lying, Mellenous The Christian Journalist, WhiteBowieSteve, Rogue-DEM-Trick:
I WILL ALLOW MY HERO, AME Bishop Henry McNeal Turner to do the talking for me.
ATTACK HIM if you are going to attack ME.
First GET A CLUE on WHO THIS GREAT MAN WAS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_McNeal_Turner
"Negroes Get Your Guns: The Prophetic Rhetoric of Bishop Henry McNeal Turner" Paper presented at the annual meeting of the 33rd Annual National Council for Black Studies, Renaissance Atlanta Hotel Downtown, Atlanta, GA, Mar 19, 2009
GREGORY:
I realize that as a high minded progressive-fundamentalist YOU would have told those 3 armed Street Pirates to COME OFF OF THE LADDER - as they might hurt themselves. You would have opened your front door, allowed them to assault your WIFE and they helped them carry your shyt to their car.
It is ironic that YOU afford a Street Pirate who DOESN'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT YOU, who would SHOOT YOU IN THE HEAD if it was between you and YOUR LCD television.
Yet in your perverted sense of the world you believe that this BLACK couple in Ellenwood GA was out of line for SHOOTING A STREET PIRATE who broke into their home IN THE AZZ!!!!
Do a "find and replace" and rewrite the same paragraph for Mellaneous the Christian Journalist.
Mack Is Lying:
Can we both agree that while it might be true that "I DON'T HAVE A SOLUTION FOR STREET PIRACY"............the MACHINE that has solid control over the BLACK COMMUNITY after decades of PROMISES that they were going to solve our problems HAS FAILED - this despite having your continued confidence?
You see, Mack Is Lying - they realized a long time ago that YOUR ATTENTION SPAN is about as long as the next Republican "confederate flavored CHUM" that can attract your senses.
Understand how it works dude.
[quote]CF why do you keep referring to me as a Christian journalist as if thats a bad thing? Yeah I am a Christian and I practice the best I can what I believe the Bible and Jesus were trying to teach us which was love of God, love of fellow human beings and love of justice.[/quote]
Mellaneous The Christian Journalist:
How is it that YOU take my label to you as being "negative"? Are you this self conscious?
Would you rather I stop?
It was YOU who "self described" as these two points.
IN fact you have STRIPPED ME of both of these attributes.
Why is this problematic for me to adorn you with what you have claimed as your own?
CF,
I look forward to my nickname when it comes out of the oven. I hope you are a better baker than a logician.
You are limiting my options Gregory. No blog of your own for me to build a profile of you.
I guess I'll just have to keep reading your works.
By the way, Gregory - if a "Street Pirate" OF ANY RACE, broke into your house in the middle of the night and threatened your family - WHAT WOULD YOU DO?
Notice that I did not say "Street Pirates should be SHOT". The story that I detailed was the context of 3 Street Pirates who got a ladder, climbed into a second story window of a Black couple's house and proceeded to ROB them.
The woman confronted them with a GUN. They fought over the weapon. The Black female home owner SHOT the Street Pirate in the buttocks.
She is my award winner: http://withintheblackcommunity.blogspot.com/2010/04/winner-of-bishop-henry-mcneal-turner.html
journalist, schmournalist!
none of you on here are journalists. quit faking.
LAC said:
"Even then, I'd say that until Black folks stand united against this nonsense, the racists just pick us off one by one. Violence, particularly gun violence, is the very last resort -- only because it often cause more problems than it solves."
LA I feel you on this man.The answer to our problem is as always getting organized and uniting around common cause.
Unfortunately, we have been bitten with the rugged individualism bug that makes us act just as selfish and insular as any other group of folks.
I personally think as well that gun ownership has the potential to cause more problems than it solves.
There are however occassions when a gun can come in handy.
I am concerned however when the government has all the guns.
MR -I hear you too sister. Sounds like parts of California are dangerous. And now that i think about there are probably places in every state in which black folks don't feel comfortable after dark.
Unfortunately when this is presented to some of our white brothers and sisters they act as if we are whining.
MR it is a true indication that we are not truly free in this society and that while white skin may give you the freedom to roam anywhere black skin has its limitations.
And I know some folks are going to say there are some places white folks can't go as well. Such as the inner cities of the US. But that is grossly exaggerated as I have seen well meaning white folks walk through the hood with impunity and nobody bothered them.
But the irony is that in some of those places, no one wants to go most of the time.
CF,
If you would actually read other people's comments, instead of creating cartoonish strawmen, then you might note that I never denied anyone the right to defend their home or their family. There are times when self defense will involve firearms.
When I asked you earlier what should be done about "street piracy", you could have simply said, "Arm the neighborhood". Instead, you engaged in the usual mixed case rant complete with irrelevant bullet points.
It seems to me that the problem is not that there are too few firearms, but too many in the wrong hands. Arming everybody may even up the body count but it is not going to solve the problem. That's what you are after, solutions, right?
In answer to your question, I would shoot the intruder if I had a gun handy, although in close quarters I would prefer a baseball bat. In your cartoon world, people like me are not veterans, do not own guns and have never lived in parts of the world where armed militias ruled the streets.
I doubt you will read this carefully enough to get the salient points. However, even a cynic like myself can still retain enough optimism that there may be a first time for everything.
Maria not that I will be able to convince you of anything. But for the record I have been the editor and managing editor of two weekly newspapers.
These were smaller papers so I had to write at least an article a week. I wrote human interest but mainly investigative stories and broke some really good ones.
I also wrote editorials and commentary. In fact I have written commentary for several websites. AB has read my work (yeah I know) on Black Agenda Report.
In fact two of the folks who contribute on this blog know me personally from my days as an editor and journalist.
I think I see what you are getting at however. But Maria journalists have opinions and we have the right to express them.
Unlike many dishonest journalists I don't pretend to be OBJECTIVE!
I learned over the years that everyone comes to a story with a perspective. I fought with many writers/journalists who didn't believe that discriminatory things happened to certain peoples so they would refuse to print pertinent information that would shed more light on the truth in a story.
I could give you lots of examples.
When I wrote hard news stories I presented all the facts unlike the Big Business dailies that thought some peoples views of an incident weren't worth recording.
So Maria I don't know why you would imply that I would lie about something that I have been doing on and off for over 20 years, but the truth is I am what I say am.
@LAC..
There is a simple but accurate saying that "When seconds count, the police are only minutes away!".
I think everyone has the right and duty to defend themselves by whatever means necessary. For some people that choice is a firearm.
Being able to defend yourself via a weapon is akin to home insurance. You will probably never need to use it but it's better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
Rott Kid
Them are some big, juicy tits
One of the weirdest pieces of gossip I've heard. But they say truth is stranger than fiction so ...
Is John Tesh still alive? If so, he's gone all these years and not tried to ride the Oprah gravy train, why does this come out now? Plus Oprah tells nearly every doggoned thing that happens to her. Why not this?
Yes Mellaneous, parts of California are dangerous. But I go where I please and my husband feels the same way. This land belongs to GOD and we have a right to enjoy the scenery and camp. How to feel protected? Carry a RIFLE! And I am serious! Never go to the back country without weapon(s).You need one for animals anyway...One other tangential issue is that we almost never see Black people when we go camping or to National Parks.
My Brother in law works for the park service and he said that they were begging Blacks and Latinos to work those jobs in the park to train to be rangers or whatever else. They got almost zero response.
People who aren't familiar with nature are disenfranchised.
oh, i apologize.
i thought you were a preacher?
why do you say not that you would be able to convince me of anything? that's a bit dismissive, wouldn't you say? i don't recall ever being at odds with you, and you trying to "convince" me of anything and me resisting.
i don't know what you think i was "getting at" but it relates only to some comments earlier from CF.
i thought CF was calling you a journalist as some kind of slam early on. i did see over the weekend he called himself a journalist -- because he went to cuba and then came here and typed up his observations.
i have no doubt based on what you wrote that you are a journalist, or have been...
i was not aware of this part of your background til just now. i must have missed it in earlier comments.
Anonymous said...
Rott Kid
Them are some big, juicy tits
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M. Rigmaiden said...
LAC, have you lived a good quality of life where you've never had to worry for your personal safety? I can only guess that you have if you honestly believe that calling the police will help with gang violence.
Actually MR, I grew up in one of the most violent cities on the East coast, New Haven, CT. Home of Yale, the 1970 Black Panther Trials and one of the worse poverty and crime rates in New England. Seeing as many of my friends and relatives were drug dealers, I know quite a bit about gunshots and dead bodies. My brother's childhood friend just was release from jail on an armed robbery charge. I lost by best friend to street violence.
I still believe that a gun in a private home, 70-80%, will cause more problems than they solve in an modern urban environment. You know what happens when people have guns in their homes? A lot more people get shot -- a crime doesn't decrease. With a gun in the house, you're statistically more likely to shoot your spouse or child than you ever would be thief or a stalker.
Yes, calling the police, community to watch and using the systems in place do deter crime more than arming everyone with a .45 would ever do. Drug dealers have weapons and use them regularly. They're not scared of a home owner with a piece. They're afraid of witnesses, community policing programs, comprehensive anti-drug campaigns, gentrification and neighborhood watches.
Thinking guns will scare of 'street pirates', as CF calls them, is like thinking RAID will get rid of roaches. It works at best temporarily. You only get rid of vermin permanently by cleaning up and giving them no place to feed.
And by the way, I was only local task force started by my Congresswoman to address community policing in High School. So, I've was involved gang mediation before I could drive.
LAC
Now if you would just come out of the closet, you would be complete.
Maria- you are right I took my frustrations about something else out on you. I thought that since you challenged what I said I was that you wouldn't believe me.
Please accept my apology didn't want to alienate anyone unnecessarily. And you are right we have always been amicable toward one another.
Field:
I just drop by for a minute to tell you this, and I am getting offline because I got some real important things to do today. But anyway, you remember back when you told me that Al Sharpton is not who we think he is? Well, I am starting to look at him with a little...shall we say, in not too good light. My reason for change of mind about him is this:
http://www.newshounds.us/2010/04/12/why_didnt_sharpton_confront_beck_when_he_likened_tea_party_protesters_to_martin_luther_king.php#more
Look like ole Al needs to stop straddling the fence and make up his mind where he really stands. Al got some splaining to do and needs to be called out on that.
Bye, and have a victorious and blessed day!
Hi Granny, yes, I know of what I speak about the good Rev. Have a nice day. And be safe out there in Cali.
Destructive Wingnut, I think Gregory lives across the pond. How are you going to work in your street pirate sympathizer label with him?
Oprah has never hid her past, she let it be known, she was fooling with a White man when she was younger, she also said, he broke her heart, and no, she never said who he was, that was the media's job to find out the man's identity, but, during that time, they could have cared less! but, now, this WHITE WOMAN is trying to SMEAR OPRAH, well, is that a surprise!
Oprah made a MEGA Mistake when she was younger, I am sure, a lot of Black women made this type of MISTAKE, when they were younger, this was the SEVENTY'S, some young black folk, felt free to venture over to the other side, this was a so called time of (RACIAL EQUALITY)!
I wonder who paid this woman to try and SMEAR OPRAH, this is the same woman who tried to SMEAR Frank Sinatra, her life was on the line, I think she had to hide out, and now, she is back again, well, let's see how far she will get with this, why has she chose this time to pick at OPRAH?
I DO NOT feel sorry for NAY Black person, that will Chose to live around the KKK or the NEO NAZI'S! when are our people going to learn? WHITE PEOPLE live in certain place's in AMERICA, so they can hide out!!!!!!!!!! why do you think, they don't want other RACE'S living amongst them?
R. WIGMAIDEN, I would suggest, you rent the Video called, (RACE with the DEVIL) with Peter Fonda and Warren Oate's, this will enlighten you, you are a Intelligent young woman, but, you need to be Tuned in to all thing's around you!
ISEEISEE
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Granny that was interesting it was very telling he should have called Beck out otherwise why be on the show.
Has anyone seen this video. This kid takes a brutal beating and police later said they dropped the charges of assault against him (lol)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2010/04/12/VI2010041202595.html?hpid=artslot
"Yes, calling the police, community to watch and using the systems in place do deter crime more than arming everyone with a .45 would ever do."LAC
Ah so you are an optimist. I still don't believe in the police just because I haven't seen them do much but act as state sanctioned terrorists from where I stand.
It is interesting that your experience would have you believe the opposite of what I believe. Maybe it is because the gun violence with which you are familiar happened in a minority community.
I wonder if you'd still feel that way if you lived in the foothills?
I think you might be more of someone who appeals to authority to solve their problems and this is the crux of our disagreement. You believe that the police deter crime and that police should be called rather than citizens arming themselves.
I think citizens need to be armed and given my experiences, would be more loth to call on the police for anything.
ISEEISEE, you are being shortsighted because you say that you would not want to live in areas like where I live. That is a practical sentiment but still doesn't address the fact that segregation still doesn't get rid of racial tensions.
Also I have a right to live here and so do the other Black people. They have been historically disenfranchised and my Father was one guy who stood up and challenged the status quo out here. It isn't as simple as saying "They stay here and we stay there..."
Vérité Parlant is Nordette Adams said...
"Is John Tesh still alive? If so, he's gone all these years and not tried to ride the Oprah gravy train,"
Oprah gravy is the nastiest gravy of them all.
Field, done know if someone's already posted this but John Tesh, via ,USA Today, has confirmed that yes, he did date Oprah when they were cub reporters together in Nashville.
rigmaiden,
Seeems you are in the John Lott camp of those who believe in the power of deterrence given by keeping a loaded gun handy.
It can work. And it can backfire.
Circumstances matter. Do you believe in keeping a handgun in your pocket while at home? Do you live in a state of constant vigilance?
It's okay with me if people shoot intruders. But history shows a lot of others get shot too. And when that happens, the occasional death becomes a major tragedy in the life of the home-owner.
R. WIGMAIDEN, you are the one complaining about the NEO NAZI'S, you can live where you please, I could care less if they Burned a BIG FAT CROSS on your lawn!
You see, you think you are better than most black folk,, well, I have new's for you, you can live in a Mansion, but, when it is all said and done, YOU are still Black, well, you look half Oriental, but, if so, YOU are still considered a Black wanna be WHITE GIRL, oh, and please, you DO NOT want to do BATTLE with me, trust me you don't, I am NOT Alicia, I will give you a HOLY GHOST whipping and I won't use not NAY CUSS word!
Check yourself WIGMAIDEN, you are out of order, I came at you as a Black woman, trying to inform another Black woman, and you came back at me, as if I was your ENEMY! no, you are living amongst your Enemy's! so what doe's that say about your LEVEL of Insight!
ISEEISEE
IseeIsee I know that you must have reasonable intentions when addressing me. But you needn't impute meaning into my statements. NO I don't think I am better than anyone. My ancestors on all sides of my family tree helped to build this country. I have a RIGHT to live here just as everyone else.
You believe I came at you as an enemy. Nothing could be further from the truth. Your own thought distortions prevent you from seeing a differing perspective, which is sad.
You continue to live your life as you see fit and I'll continue to do the same.
F##K you anon and your comment about Tiger Woods!! First off c**t you and others of your ilk are the LAST group of people who should be trying to play 'purity police' and obviously there is ZERO class among you nosy,meddling,sleazy,smut loving,RACIST,hypocritcal a-holes. SO piss off and mind you own damn business PHONY!!
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