Monday, April 06, 2020

Trying to find trump's soul.

TWEET ME The following is just the latest in a growing list of articles documenting Mr. trump's mishandling of this coronavirus pandemic. It's from Frank Bruno writing for the New York Times, and it might be the best of the lot. 
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"Do you remember President George W. Bush’s remarks at Ground Zero in Manhattan after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks? I can still hear him speaking of national grief and national pride. This was before all the awful judgment calls and fatal mistakes, and it doesn’t excuse them. But it mattered, because it reassured us that our country’s leader was navigating some of the same emotional currents that we were.

Do you remember President Barack Obama’s news conference after the school shooting in Newtown, Conn., that left 28 people, including 20 children, dead? I do. Freshest in my memory is how he fought back tears. He was hurting. He cared. And while we couldn’t bank on new laws to prevent the next massacre, we could at least hold on to that.

One more question: Do you remember the moment when President Trump’s bearing and words made clear that he grasped not only the magnitude of this rapidly metastasizing pandemic but also our terror in the face of it?

It passed me by, maybe because it never happened.
In Trump’s predecessors, for all their imperfections, I could sense the beat of a heart and see the glimmer of a soul. In him I can’t, and that fills me with a sorrow and a rage that I quite frankly don’t know what to do with.

Americans are dying by the thousands, and he gloats about what a huge, rapt television audience he has. They’re confronting financial ruin and not sure how they’ll continue to pay for food and shelter, and he reprimands governors for not treating him with adequate adulation.

He’s not rising to the challenge before him, not even a millimeter. He’s shriveling into nothingness.
On Friday, when Trump relayed a new recommendation by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that all Americans wear face masks in public places, he went so far out of his way to stress that the coverings were voluntary and that he himself wouldn’t be going anywhere near one that he might as well have branded them Apparel for Skittish Losers. I’ve finally settled on his epitaph: “Donald J. Trump, too cool for the coronavirus.”

This is more than a failure of empathy, which is how many observers have described his deficiency. It’s more than a failure of decency, which has been my go-to lament. It’s a failure of basic humanity.
In The Washington Post a few days ago, Michael Gerson, a conservative who worked in Bush’s White House, wrote that Trump’s spirit is “a vast, trackless wasteland.” Not exactly trackless. There are gaudy outposts of ego all along the horizon.

When the direness of this global health crisis began to be apparent, I was braced for the falsehoods and misinformation that are Trump’s trademarks. I was girded for the incompetence that defines an administration with such contempt for proper procedure and for true expertise.

But what has taken me by surprise and torn me up inside are the aloofness, arrogance, pettiness, meanness, narcissism and solipsism that persist in Trump — that flourish in him — even during a once-in-a-lifetime emergency that demands something nobler. Under normal circumstances, these traits are galling. Under the current ones, they’re gutting.

I don’t take responsibility at all.” “Did you know I was number one on Facebook?” To bother with just one of those sentences while a nation trembles is disgusting. To bother with both, as Trump did, is perverse.

He continues to bash the media, as if the virus were cooked up in the bowels of CNN. He continues to play blame games and to lord his station over those of a lesser political caste, turning governors into grovelers and suggesting that they’re whiny piggies at the federal trough.
He continues his one-man orgy of self-congratulation, so that in the same breath recently he speculated about a toll of 100,000 deaths in America from Covid-19 and crowed about what a great job he’s doing.

And he continues to taunt and smear his perceived political adversaries. Last week, on Fox News, he called Nancy Pelosi “a sick puppy.” This is how he chooses to spend his time and energy?

At those beloved daily briefings of his, where he talks and talks and talks, he sometimes seems to regard what’s happening less as a devastating scourge than as a star-studded event. Just look at the nifty degree of prominence it’s conferring on everyone and everything involved! He has mused aloud about how well known Anthony Fauci has become. He has marveled at the disease’s celebrity profile.
“Become a very famous term — C-O-V-I-D,” he said on Thursday. Was that envy in his voice?
He leaps from tone deafness to some realm of complete sensory and moral deprivation.

“I want to come way under the models,” he said on Friday, referring to casualty projections. “The professionals did the models. I was never involved in a model.”

“At least this kind of model,” he added. No context like a pandemic for X-rated humor.
It’s an extraordinary thing: to fill the air with so many words and have none of them carry any genuine sadness or stirring resolve.

I can hear his admirers grumble that he doesn’t do camera-perfect emotions, that Obama was just a better actor, that Trump is the more authentic man.
To which I answer: What’s the point of having a showman for a president if he can’t put on the right kind of show? Performances count, even if they’re just performances. And Trump clearly isn’t averse to artifice. Just look at his hair.

A cheap shot? I’m feeling cheap. A loss of life and livelihoods on this scale will do that to you.
As of this writing, at least 9,600 people with the coronavirus have died in the United States. That’s more than three times the number killed in the Sept. 11 attacks. New York State alone reported 630 new deaths on Saturday. No school shooting has taken even a small fraction of as many lives.
And while I’m not looking to Trump for any panacea, is it too much to ask for some sign that the dying has made an impression on him, that the crying has penetrated his carapace and that he’s thinking about something other than his ratings? I watch. I wait. I suspect I’ll be doing that forever." [Source]

My only problem with Mr. Bruni and others who are now writing these brilliant and thoughtful essays is this: Where have they been all along? Nothing about Mr. trump's modus operandi has changed. He is who he has always been, and we allowed him to get this far.

146 comments:

Anonymous said...

Despite what anyone says there is a certain segment of society that has a certain kind of brain that makes them absolutely void of any type of emotion with regard to empathy and there's NOTHING anyone can do about it.
You can't shame him, You can't beg him, you can't plead with him and you can't convince him.
A monster is a monster. You can put a suit on it, you can place it up on a pedestal but a monster will still be a monster.

Secondly:
And there will always be a segment of society that ha a certain kind of brain that makes them idolize and believe and follow the will of a monster with blind obedience.


And there will always be a segment of the population that will convince themselves that eating dog shit is like eating chocolate mouse.


When he said he could shoot somebody in the middle of 5th avenue and get away with it he wouldn't have said it if he didn't believe it to be true....and as you can see...it's true. (In this case it's thousands of Americans) with most born and working in his own home town. Now that's classic.

But then this is not so much about him. It is more about You.... You know, those that voted for it. What does that say about them?

Finally:
Filing bankruptcy 6 times
Denied bank loans from American companies due to bad credit
Dodged the draft - but calls Black athletes unpatriotic for exercising their American rights.
Had to pay a 25million dollar settlement for defrauding students out of their money.
Denies life saving equipment to millions of dying Americans
Admits to hoarding ventilators for rich associates.

We learned nothing from 911. History does repeat itself.

"PROFIT BEFORE PEOPLE" It's been the American way for quite a while now.





Anonymous said...

"My only problem with Mr. Bruni and others who are now writing these brilliant and thoughtful essays is this: Where have they been all along? Nothing about Mr. trump's modus operandi has changed. He is who he has always been, and we allowed him to get this far."

Yep. We're, oh, let's see ... three-and-some-change years into this presidency?! Long before now, everyone should already have figured out that Trump is a malignant narcissist. He is a man of abysmal character, which is one reason among many why, before his election, so many people were screaming that he should not be allowed anywhere near power.

Nobody should now be surprised that he is failing to show empathy as huge numbers of Americans experience death and hardship. It's long been obvious that he's just not capable of feeling empathy for other human beings. He is only capable of focusing on how any given event affects him, personally. Which is one of the worst qualities you could possibly have in a leader.

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...

Why is Frank Bruno surprised? Perhaps he didn't already know about Trump's behavior during his entire adulthood. However Trump's behavior during the 2016 presidential election campaign provided adequate evidence that he had no soul. He is totally amoral and there is no hope that he will ever change.

Anonymous said...

After all of this is said and done, American history book writers will write about him in such a way that they will make him come out "smelling like a rose."

Most American history book writers are great at making tyrants and mass murderers look like saints.
Very few will be willing to tell the truth.
...and even if they do, they'll fill it with sentences and slanted words that still make the "tyrants look terrific."

PilotX said...

"I was girded for the incompetence that defines an administration with such contempt for proper procedure and for true expertise."

But economic anxiety. No one listens to us. We need to shake up Washington. We need a business man in the WH.

Anonymous said...

I'm betting that China already has the antidote. But we'll probably have to pay a hefty price!

Who really thinks that a research lab filled with highly skilled and highly intelligent biologists working with viruses everyday don't have an antidote.


Really, I mean really?

Anonymous said...

IF HE'S SO WORRIED ABOUT THE ECONONY THEN WHY NOT ASK ALL OF THE BILLIONNAIRES TO START PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE IN TAXES.


HELL ALL OF THE AIRLINES MADE A BILLION DOLLARS IN CHECKED BAG FEES JUST THE FIRST YEAR THAT IT WAS IMPLEMETED...

WHAT DO WE GET IN RETURN? WAS ANY OF THAT PASSED ON TO THE CONSUMER? HELL NO

THEY MAKE A BILLION DOLLAR PROFIT AND WHAT DO AIRLINE PASSENGERS GET?
-A HALF A CUP OF SODA
-NOT EVEN A DISPOSABLE PILLOW
-LESS LEG ROOM
-DIRTY UNSANITIZED AIRPLANES AND AIRPORTS
- HIGHT PRICES...

YEAH IF ALL OF THE CORPORATE GIANTS PAID TAXES THEN THERE WOULD BE ENOUGH TO KEEP THE ECONOMY GOING TILL CHINA SELLS US THE ANTIDOTE.






Anonymous said...

Bush was Hitler. Then Bush opposed Trump. Bush now good.

Trump spends hours every day talking to the American people, being completely transparent about the government's response to coronavirus and assuring Americans that we'll get through this.

But CNN and MSNBC won't cover these briefings, so you morons don't even know it.

Democrat governors ban the use of hydroxychloroquine because Trump said it showed promise as a treatment. They literally kill people to stoke Trump Derangement Syndrome.

If this pandemic has proved anything, it is just how vile and stupid you cocksuckers are.

Anonymous said...

Overheard:

"Wow...he's living his best life."

"What do you mean?"

"Well you know he dodged the draft, but I swear every time he gets up to the podium to give an
update on this war against Corona he looks like he's pretending to be a 4 star general boasting ."

"Yeah. delusions of grandeur."

Anonymous said...

...Yup
In the middle of a world wide pandemic and still having to fight and argue with people to "shelter-in place" to save their lives and the lives of everyone else.

Yup
In the middle of a word win pandemic and the POTUS doesn't have the (&&^%$! to even suggest that the governors of all 50 United States issue a mandatory shelter-in-place to save the C.O.U.N.T.R.Y.


Yup...there's a certain segment of the population with this type of brain.

PilotX said...

"But CNN and MSNBC won't cover these briefings, so you morons don't even know it."

Um, the do cover the briefings. I watched today on those networks. Who exactly are you calling a moron?

Orange Man Bad! said...

America’s major medical society specializing in the treatment of respiratory diseases has endorsed using hydroxychloroquine for seriously ill hospitalized coronavirus patients.

The American Thoracic Society issued guidelines Monday that suggest COVID-19 patients with pneumonia get doses of the anti-malaria drug.


Bu-bu-bu-but Drumpf!!

https://nypost.com/2020/04/06/medical-group-backs-giving-hydroxychloroquine-to-coronavirus-patients/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

dinthebeast said...

The governors of the west coast states have said fuck Fergus, he will never do anything for anyone who won't suck his dick literally or metaphorically, so they all have started shipping PPE and ventilators to New York in time for their curve apex with the promise that New York will reciprocate a month from now when they are at their curve apex.

Fergus can't get out of his own way unless the task at hand is carnival barking, adultery, or blowing his daddy's fortune on vanity business projects that all go tits up while cheating everyone else involved in them, so why doesn't he just appoint someone to manage the pandemic response?

Someone he knows from jump street he's gonna throw under the bus and blame all of the failure, misery, and death on when it's over and thus scuttle away from as much accountability as possible?

It would kinda suck to let him weasel out of some responsibility, but at least we'd have a sapient vertebrate running the pandemic response while the people were still dying in their thousands.

But he won't, and that's the bottom line. The same personality trait that got me to borrow Driftglass' term "Pig People" for his supporters, that of being so stubborn (pig headed) and pig-ignorant that they will vote for obvious frauds like Fergus who will actually work to fuck their lives up and kill them rather than admit they were even the slightest bit mistaken in their political leanings.

Fergus won't save himself by appointing a fall guy just like they won't save themselves by voting for a Democrat. Neither of them are up to the task.

Fortunately, the folks in Pigistan are beginning to turn on Fergus, and seeing the writing on the wall, the Republican political class and their enablers in the media are ramping up lifeboat construction, the better to escape responsibility for their part in the huge and growing pile of corpses, but we can't let them this time.

Nope, burn those motherfuckers.

No phony "Tea Party" rebranding of these fucks this time. They will own the blood that cries their names from the ground.

We warned you that something bad would happen if you did this, and we were right again, hideously, horribly right, and all we can do at this point, having failed to save the tens of thousands of dead people, is do everything in our power to make sure it doesn't keep on happening like it wasn't nothing, the way Fergus and his ghoulish enablers want it to.

-Doug in Sugar Pine

God said...

Doug is pathetic.

LeonT said...

He doesn't have one. Nor does he have a brain a spine or guts.

Leon Low-T said...

I'm going to spend my $1200 on Dude Wipes.

LeonT said...

No, you anonymous dipshit, Democratic governors did NOT ban the use of hydroxychloroquine because Trump said it showed promise as a treatment. They do not use it, because medical experts say it is not a known cure for Covid-19, has negative side effects, including death, if misused and lowers the supplies to people who DO need it. Fucknuts!

PilotX said...

"Democratic governors did NOT ban the use of hydroxychloroquine because Trump said it showed promise as a treatment."

If you only watch conservative media and/or trump this is the message you get. We all need to broaden our media consumption.

Orange Man Bad! said...

Detroit Dem says Trump's touting of hydroxychloroquine helped save her life:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/detroit-dem-says-trumps-touting-of-hydroxychloroquine-helped-save-her-life.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Traitor!!!!

House Negro!!!

PilotX said...

"The cupboard was bare". Uhhhhhhhh, dude, you had 3+ years to fix the situation but you were too busy getting into twitter beefs like a teenaged girl.

PilotX said...

"Detroit Dem says Trump's touting of hydroxychloroquine helped save her life"

That's great but please follow your doctor's recommendation. No self medicating with potentially harmful drugs.

PilotX said...

"Trump has been repeatedly contradicted by public health experts including his own top infectious diseases adviser, Dr Anthony Fauci, who has warned that there is only “anecdotal evidence” that the drugs could be helpful."

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/apr/06/coronavirus-cure-fact-check-hydroxychloroquine-trump

So in a way yes, trump is a bad man if he is recklessly promoting drugs that his medical experts are cautious about. Listen to the experts not a reality tv game show host. Be careful.

Anonymous said...

“Democratic governors did NOT ban the use of hydroxychloroquine because Trump said it showed promise as a treatment.”

They did not ban the use of the drug at all, in the absolute sense!

They banned the use of the drug outside of the official, controlled trials intended to prove whether the drug is effective against COVID-19.

There is a reason we have trials of drugs before we make them available to the wider public. What if it turns out that Trump’s wonder cure not only doesn’t work, but actually makes the symptons of COVID-19 worse, and we find that out only after death rates explode? What then, geniuses?

Anonymous said...

Trump was right.

But you can't admit it.

In fact, you'd rather people die than admit it.

PilotX said...

"Trump was right."

That man hasn't be right about ANYTHING in his life. I'll eat my hat the first time he's right.

dinthebeast said...

Spare a thought for the coal miners about a third of whom have black lung already and are gonna be in bad shape when the pandemic comes to their towns.

-Doug in Sugar Pine

Anonymous said...

Who cares? They're white.

"We're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business"
- Hillary Clinton

PilotX said...

So this is why trump is touting malaria drugs as a cure, Laura Ingrahm told him about it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/what-do-you-have-to-lose-inside-trumps-embrace-of-a-risky-drug-against-coronavirus/2020/04/06/0a744d7e-781f-11ea-a130-df573469f094_story.html

PilotX said...

"We're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business"
- Hillary Clinton

She didn't have to, the free market took care of coal. Horse and buggy drivers are also out of work, wanna bring those jobs back?

PilotX said...

"More coal-fired power plants have closed under Trump than during former Obama's first term, largely because of free-market forces."

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/05/politics/coal-miners-union-president-coals-not-back/index.html

dinthebeast said...

The miners who still exist, although there are fewer of them, are staring down an ugly death right now.
As are lots and lots of folks whose health is compromised in one way or another.
Perhaps if we try, we can help them to live through the pandemic.

-Doug in Sugar Pine

PilotX said...

“There are side effects to hydroxychloroquine,” Dr. Ranney said. “It causes psychiatric symptoms, cardiac problems and a host of other bad side effects.”

PilotX said...

https://www.theroot.com/trump-keeps-promoting-unproven-coronavirus-cure-despite-1842712235

PilotX said...

https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/how-fox-news-convinced-trump-it-found-miracle-cure-coronavirus

PilotX said...

This guy would have handled this better.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/americans-rank-barack-obama-best-president-lifetimes-poll/story?id=56545031&fbclid=IwAR37CE34LVdqIFxs0QtxoFEkTY3yhi6vgziafB04_bOpcq8ct79JTfS81GA

PilotX said...

And Mississippi is gonna Mississippi.πŸ™„

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5e8b3d5cc5b6cbaf282cf2e3?fbclid=IwAR03OiWjg-p2UO3MejN9nXKy9R4Tu-x0Y_iogOA3eOe_aRODOq83bvDo5xI

Anonymous said...

One thing I haven't seen commented upon (says he from the other side of an ocean, so sorry if I've missed a queue of commentators making this point) is the attitude implied by President Trump's statement that he won't personally wear a mask.

Non-medical face masks are not intended to prevent you from getting COVID-19. They are intended to prevent you from spreading COVID-19, if you have it yourself but don't know it. An inherently altruistic mechanism.

Now, how many of us really expect President Trump to take an action based on altruism?

Anonymous said...

Everyone should listen to Doug And PilotX because they know everything. You might not know this but they have saved the world numerous times. They will save us again I'm sure.

Anonymous said...

Trump 2024!

Anonymous said...

Biden is right! Dims should have a virtual convention with a virtually senile candidate. Too bad you people can't see how poor of a candidate he really is. I'm not complaining though, he's a gift to Trump. It will be a treat to watch Trump "virtually" destroy Biden.

I predict Biden's response to just about everything will be "come on man".

Anonymous said...

Example: "Tonight we are live from (insert city) for the first of four presidential debates". Biden responds with "come on man".

Anonymous said...

Speaking of looking for a soul, Andrew Cuomo has a tough decision to make. He can acknowledge that the Trump pills are effective for fighting the WuFlu or keep letting democrat voters die.
For someone like Cuomo it's a hard decision, for any decent person it's a no brainer. Enjoy your WuFlu libtards.

mike from iowa said...

Listening to dumbass dubya was enough to gag a maggot. Imagine dubya pretending he had any compassion for anyone he didn't know, which was everyone except billionaire oilmen and Saudi Royal liplockers.

mike from iowa said...

What if it turns out that Trump’s wonder cure not only doesn’t work, but actually makes the symptons of COVID-19 worse, and we find that out only after death rates explode? What then, geniuses?

Then they'd blame Obama for forcing them to use this stuff.

mike from iowa said...

Trump spends hours every day talking to the American people, being completely transparent about the government's response to coronavirus and assuring Americans that we'll get through this.


Sayseth the dumbfuck with blinders on.

mike from iowa said...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-reportedly-has-financial-interest-in-hydroxychloroquine-manufacturer

Who knew?

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...

Anonymous said...

Trump was right.

But you can't admit it.

In fact, you'd rather people die than admit it.

11:52 PM
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Please tell us specifically when Trump has ever been right. He has never been right about anything in my life time, and I am older than he is.

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...

Anonymous said...

Everyone should listen to Doug And PilotX because they know everything. You might not know this but they have saved the world numerous times. They will save us again I'm sure.

5:04 AM
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Doug and PilotX may not know everything, but they know a hell of a lot more than you do. Most regulars on this blog know a hell of a lot more than you do. So you should listen to them.

mike from iowa said...

Douche Bank owns drumpf's soul.

Last updated: April 07, 2020, 14:46 GMT
United States
Coronavirus Cases:
369,522
Deaths:
11,013

mike from iowa said...

Doug, Gambler, PilotX and one good Anon know more than all drumpf's fleeced followers combined.

Doug, Gambler, PilootX and one good Anon are only the best people. There are some more good ones whose names escape me at present.

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...

Anonymous said...

Trump spends hours every day talking to the American people, being completely transparent about the government's response to coronavirus and assuring Americans that we'll get through this.

But CNN and MSNBC won't cover these briefings, so you morons don't even know it.

Democrat governors ban the use of hydroxychloroquine because Trump said it showed promise as a treatment. They literally kill people to stoke Trump Derangement Syndrome.

If this pandemic has proved anything, it is just how vile and stupid you cocksuckers are.

10:21 PM
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No Trump does not spend hours and hours informing the American people. Instead he spends hours a day spouting meaningless word salad gibberish and telling lies designed to entertain a four-old child.

CNN and MSNBC do cover his worthless "briefings." I have watched many of them, but I got sick of the bragging and the lies.

If this pandemic has proved anything, it's proved just how incompetent, cruel, and evil Donald Trump is.

Anonymous said...

I forgot to mention that Granny knows everything too, so please listen to everything she says.

mike from iowa said...

Last updated: April 07, 2020, 15:49 GMT
United States
Coronavirus Cases:
377,538
Deaths:
11,784

drumpf good! Obama bad!

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...


"Navarro’s memos were circulated at the highest levels of government in January and February, but the president downplayed the virus until early March, when statewide lockdowns started wrecking the U.S. economy."

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/msnbcs-morning-joe-and-mika-reveal-why-trump-likely-ignored-startlingly-accurate-covid-19-memos/

To all trolls, this is not fake news; it comes from reliable sources. Read the article.

PilotX said...

I knew my man Mike would have the info that the huckster was selling snake oil.

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/donald-trump-stake-company-hydroxychloroquine-112913777.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=fb

PilotX said...

"Everyone should listen to Doug And PilotX because they know everything. You might not know this but they have saved the world numerous times. They will save us again I'm sure."

Um, no. Listen to your doctor or health care provider who have spent the better part of their adult lives studying medicine! Listen to the experts not snake oil salesmen! I don't let virologists fly my plane and they don't let me conduct drug research or give advice about killer viruses (or is it viriπŸ˜†). Anyhoo, stay frosty out there and I'll see youse guys on the other side.

Anonymous said...

"Rawstory" is the epitome of Fake News.

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/louisville-area-doctor-chokes-black-18-year-old-woman-for-not-social-distancing-to-his-satisfaction/

Holy molie, foks! Take a look at this...

Hope this "doctor" goes to jail.

PilotX said...

Here's a story about the 50's tv show "Tracker" in which a huckster named Trump was a lying POS trying to fleece the people. We were warned.πŸ˜‚

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RuSkACnDpQs

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...

Anonymous said...

I forgot to mention that Granny knows everything too, so please listen to everything she says.

11:48 AM
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No Granny doesn't know everything, but she's much better informed than you and all the other trolls who post here. LOL

JW said...

What is the true toll of coronavirus?

12,000 dead so far ascribed to COVID-19. But at the same time, deaths from flu, pneumonia, and other respiratory ailments are way down. Many thousands down. Are there many "normal" deaths being classified as due to coronavirus?

Guidelines recently released by the Centers for Disease Control show how this might be happening:

"In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID-19 cannot be made, but it is suspected or likely (e.g., the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), it is acceptable to report COVID-19 on a death certificate as 'probable' or 'presumed'," the agency advises. "In these instances, certifiers should use their best clinical judgment in determining if a COVID-19 infection was likely."

That clinical judgment does not require administering a test to confirm the presence of the virus.

"Ideally, testing for COVID-19 should be conducted, but it is acceptable to report COVID-19 on a death certificate without this confirmation if the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty," the guidelines state...

But just assuming anyone who dies from a respiratory infection had coronavirus distorts the data that has become the basis for shutting down the whole world.

The nature of viruses, including what we know of this one, means that there will be secondary and perhaps tertiary infections and a concomitant rise in deaths after we lift the lockdown, but this is normal. Then again, the lockdown itself is thought to have prevented what's known as a herd immunity from occurring, which could make a recurrence of infection that much more severe. There are some experts saying the lockdown should remain in place until there are zero reported cases if infection. That means permanent lockdown, which is clearly impossible.

We still let "essential" businesses such as supermarkets and pharmacies and even liquor stores to remain open, but everything else is ordered shuttered. What's the point? You can get it in Whole Foods or Walmart as sure as you can get it going to work in an office. And by locking everything else down we've put 17 million people out of work.

Remember, 70,000 people died of the flu last year in the US, and we didn't insist on throwing millions of people out of work and thousands of companies out of business. That doesn't mean we tolerate or dismiss even one death, but we should step back from the media frenzy and try to gain some perspective. Maybe it's time to bring the hysteria down a notch and start letting people go back to work.

PilotX said...

And the grift continues. Gotta make his rich buddies richer and we STILL haven't seen his taxes.πŸ€”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/2961548001

PilotX said...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/policy/defense/491560-trump-replaces-pentagon-watchdog-removing-him-from-coronavirus-relief%3famp

Anonymous said...

“Then again, the lockdown itself is thought to have prevented what's known as a herd immunity from occurring, which could make a recurrence of infection that much more severe.”

Herd immunity (via infections) for this virus would happen with 5 million Americans dead. Thanks but no thanks. If you are advocating that we just do nothing and let everyone get sick, you can fuck right off.

The only way to avoid such catastrophic casualties is to suppress the virus to reasonable levels with lockdowns, and then afterwards, to maintain those low levels through extensive testing and rapid-response teams to quarantine anyone who gets sick or anyone they exposed. A lower level of general restrictions on public gatherings will also have to remain in place for many months after the end of lockdowns.

The ultimate exit from this frustrating state will only come when we can achieve herd immunity through COVID-19 vaccinations. There is no simpler and easier alternative.

mike from iowa said...

Rawstory has some problems, but they are light years of leap years ahead of any right wing rag or blog.

Come on, you fucking wasicu trolls and defend these nnumbers.....

Last updated: April 07, 2020, 17:48 GMT
United States
Coronavirus Cases:
386,104
Deaths:
12,242

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...


JW Said.....

Remember, 70,000 people died of the flu last year in the US, and we didn't insist on throwing millions of people out of work and thousands of companies out of business. That doesn't mean we tolerate or dismiss even one death, but we should step back from the media frenzy and try to gain some perspective. Maybe it's time to bring the hysteria down a notch and start letting people go back to work.
12:45 PM
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No so fast, JW. Where did you get the seventy-thousand number?

According to the CDC:
"CDC estimates that influenza was associated with more than 35.5 million illnesses, more than 16.5 million medical visits, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths during the 2018–2019 influenza season.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html

Estimates for 2019 range from 24,000 – 63,000 flu deaths.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

It's possible that some of the 2019 deaths labeled as flu were from COV19.



Anonymous said...

Chances are that COVID-19 deaths are being UNDERcounted, not OVERcounted, because the lack of availability of test kits means that bodies of elderly people who got sick and died in their homes won’t get tested and the medical examiner will just mark down “natural causes” as cause of death.

JW said...

"you can fuck right off"

What is wrong with you?

Ace Freely said...

Ohio state Rep. Tavia Galonski (D) said that she will make a “referral for crimes against humanity” over President Trump’s promotion of the antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for the novel coronavirus, despite its unproven benefits and lack of long-term Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approval.

"I can’t take it anymore. I’ve been to The Hague. I’m making a referral for crimes against humanity tomorrow. Today’s press conference was the last straw. I know the need for a prosecution referral when I see one."

Galonski, who represents the Akron area, told the Ohio Capital Journal on Sunday that she had "no idea" how she would go about such a referral.

"How hard can it be?" Galonski, a former magistrate in the Summit Count Common Pleas Court added.

The world is a very simple place for the stupid and uneducated.

The Democrats and their media are putting a hundred times more effort into attacking hydroxychloroquine than they are into criticizing the Chinese Communist Party for unleashing the pandemic. They're hitting this medicine like Trump just nominated it to replace Ginsburg on the Supreme Court.

dinthebeast said...

So now it seems that Fergus has financial ties to Sanofi, the manufacturer of Plaquenil, the brand-name version of hydroxychloroquine.

No word as to whether he has investments in the funeral industry.

-Doug in Sugar Pine

Anonymous said...

Doug's idiocy knows no bounds.

Anonymous said...

So Fraud Negro's obtuseness and lack of critical thinking skills, as well as the fact he is a 24/7 propagandist are to be taken as the proof that Trump has totally mishandled the crisis? How are the Wakandans in Philly doing with the social distancing efforts to save lives? Do a story on why Halfrican Magic Jesus didn't replace the National stockpile of PPE after the H1N1 never announced pandemic. Stupid is, as Negro does.

Arthur Sulzberger said...

New York appears to have passed the peak on new coronavirus cases.

Looks like Donald Trump saved a New York City that was telling people to go to the movies and out to eat as late as March 12, and was horribly unprepared to handle a medical emergency of any size.

Credit where credit is due, this was a heroic effort by the President.

mike from iowa said...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/hoax-is-so-last-week-now-fox-praises-trump-for-virus-emergency

Wingnuts and their revisionist drumpfuckian history, pretending they and drumpf never called this a hoax and always took it seriously.

Fuck them fucking fuckers for destroying America and the economy all by themselves.

mike from iowa said...

Acting shithook of the Navy resigned after referring to Navy AirCraft Carrier Captain as stoopid.

Anonymous said...

BREAKING: New CDC guidelines advise everyone to assume all black people are infected with the virus, and getting within 50 feet of a black person should be avoided at all costs.

mike from iowa said...

Why black Americans are at higher risk for coronavirus

Because wasicu wastey worthless wingnuts are all racist fuck sticks with micro dicks and ugly sow girlfriends.

mike from iowa said...

Up yours dated drumpf body count...



Last updated: April 07, 2020, 21:05 GMT
United States
Coronavirus Cases:
393,782
Deaths:
12,692

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...

Anonymous said...

Doug's idiocy knows no bounds.

3:54 PM
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Your post is meaningless. Is this the best you can do?

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...

Anonymous said...

So Fraud Negro's obtuseness and lack of critical thinking skills, as well as the fact he is a 24/7 propagandist are to be taken as the proof that Trump has totally mishandled the crisis?

4:18 PM
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Nah it isn't just Field. Nearly every other person with half a brain has come to the obvious conclusion. Trump is totally incompetent, fundamentally dishonest, and doesn't give a shit that Americans are dying. He only cares about himself.

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...

Arthur Sulzberger said...

New York appears to have passed the peak on new coronavirus cases.

Looks like Donald Trump saved a New York City that was telling people to go to the movies and out to eat as late as March 12, and was horribly unprepared to handle a medical emergency of any size.

Credit where credit is due, this was a heroic effort by the President.

4:24 PM
----------------
Cuomo saved New York in spite of Trump' failure to address the supply issues. What "heroic effort" did Trump make other than criticizing Cuomo?

Snake Plissken said...

Fredo failed.

Trump saved New York.

MSLSD said...

"Nearly every other person with half a brain has come to the obvious conclusion. Trump is totally incompetent, fundamentally dishonest, and doesn't give a shit that Americans are dying. He only cares about himself."

Granny thought that up all by herself, with her own half a brain, because she's an independent thinker.

LOL

PilotX said...

"Maybe it's time to bring the hysteria down a notch and start letting people go back to work."

You should try to convince the corona task force of your idea. Looks like one of the members recommends not even going to the grocery store for two more weeks.

field negro said...

Anon@10:21 PM, you do realize that he holds these nightly press conferences for his own political gain,right?

mike from iowa said...

A little drumpf relief.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MWxq80oze0

Top 10 scandals of Obama administration. Fake Noize has the fantods over everything Obama did as Potus.

mike from iowa said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbIGBCcfKZg

drumpf's negro pastor is a hoot of a hypocrite and lies nearly as much as drumpf itself.

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...

Snake Plissken said...

Fredo failed.

Trump saved New York.

5:41 PM
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Please, no revisionist history. Trump's incompetence killed thousands in New York, and most people know it.

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...

Anonymous MSLSD said...

"Nearly every other person with half a brain has come to the obvious conclusion. Trump is totally incompetent, fundamentally dishonest, and doesn't give a shit that Americans are dying. He only cares about himself."

Granny thought that up all by herself, with her own half a brain, because she's an independent thinker.

LOL

5:43 PM
Ad hominem responses are the last resort of those who can't refute their opponent's premise. It indicates the absence of factual knowledge in the subject being debated.

Anonymous said...

field negro said...
Anon@10:21 PM, you do realize that he holds these nightly press conferences for his own political gain,right?
---------

So....if he holds press conferences every day it's for his own political gain.

But if he doesn't hold press conferences he's abandoning leadership because he doesn't care about the people.

See how that game works? Do you? Because you play it all the time.

Anonymous said...

mike from iowa said...
Why black Americans are at higher risk for coronavirus
Because wasicu wastey worthless wingnuts are all racist fuck sticks with micro dicks and ugly sow girlfriends
-----

Last week: Ha ha ha! The only people dying from coronavirus are old racist white people because they listened to Drumpf!

This week: Racist Drumpf is killing black people!

You people are beyond parody.

PilotX said...

Looks like the acting Navy Secretary resigned. Maybe Jared can do that too.

dinthebeast said...

So Ammon the fuck Bundy (of the Cliven clan, not the Ted or Al bunches) is said to be holding meetings with dozens of similarly deranged morons to discuss the collapse of personal freedumbs in Murrica.

How many of them will collapse from COVID-19 because of it remains to be seen.

While the CDC notes a few transmissions to dogs and cats, they didn't seem to have any information concerning the risk of transmission to cows, so the Bundy herd may or may not be endangered by the retarded gatherings.

-Doug in Sugar Pine

PilotX said...

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/expert-explains-how-trumps-mind-control-cult-is-facing-its-biggest-crisis/

mike from iowa said...

Last updated: April 08, 2020, 00:03 GMT
United States
Coronavirus Cases:
395,675
Deaths:
12,795

dinthebeast said...

Here is how they are stealing the election in Wisconsin today and how they plan on stealing the one in November: forcing in person voting during a deadly pandemic to suppress turnout and all the while pulling shit like:

Among Wisconsin's biggest cities:

_Milwaukee, nearly 600,000 people, 5 polling sites open (180 usually)
_Madison, >250,000 people, 66 sites (92 usually)
_Green Bay, 105,000 people, 2 sites (31 usually)
_Kenosha, 100,000 people, 10 sites (22 usually)

-Doug in Sugar Pine

dinthebeast said...

And:

The Other Beth, who hates all of you
@BethLynch2020
·
7h
Anyone wanna take a guess at the demographic differences between Madison and Milwaukee.

-Doug in Sugar Pine

dinthebeast said...

Also:

Matthew Chapman
@fawfulfan
·
21h
Let me see if I have this straight.

The five GOP Supreme Court justices think #COVID19 is too dangerous for them to let people in their courtroom for oral arguments. But it's NOT dangerous enough that they can't force uninsured and elderly voters in Milwaukee to stand in line.

-Doug in Sugar Pine

Anonymous said...

"forcing in person voting"

It's necessary to combat Democrat voter fraud. Mail-in ballots offer the easiest way to cheat.

Anonymous said...

JW said...
"What is the true toll of coronavirus?

12,000 dead so far ascribed to COVID-19. But at the same time, deaths from flu, pneumonia, and other respiratory ailments are way down. Many thousands down. Are there many "normal" deaths being classified as due to coronavirus?"
............................................................

Hospitals are reporting a mysterious decline in heart attack deaths. Meanwhile Dr Birx says that anyone who dies WITH coronavirus is automatically counted as dying FROM it. In other words, heart attack deaths haven’t declined. We’re just reclassifying them as coronavirus deaths.

And most of the COVID deaths can be accounted for by missing pneumonia deaths:

https://thefedupdemocrathome.files.wordpress.com/2020/04/cdc-pneumonia-deaths-2020-2.jpg

mike from iowa said...

Last updated: April 08, 2020, 01:23 GMT
United States
Coronavirus Cases:
400,335
Deaths:
12,841

drumpf body count

mike from iowa said...

I seriously doubt heart attacks cause Covid-19, but I am pretty sure the reverse is true.

mike from iowa said...

It's necessary to combat Democrat voter fraud. Mail-in ballots offer the easiest way to cheat.

Your whole premise is a blatant lie. It ain't the Dems who get caught in voter fraud. Wingnuts cannot win without cheating.

Wingnuts commit voter fraud on massive scales by gerrymandering, disenfranchising poor and minority voters, removing polling places from minority districts and purging voter rolls of legal voters for questionable reasons.Then wingnuts stack the courts to get predetermined rulings in their favor by flipping precedents on its head.

Anonymous said...

I seriously doubt mike passed the 9th grade.

Anonymous said...

"Wingnuts cannot win without cheating"

Projecting. Again.

If Democrats did not depend on cheating, they would care enough about election security to agree to voter ID.

Anonymous said...

TRUMP 2020!!

mike from iowa said...

Legendary musical talent John Prine passed today, at 73, from Covid-19.



If Democrats did not depend on cheating, they would care enough about election security to agree to voter ID.

There are enough voter id laws on the books without cheating fucking wingnuts narrowing id down so as to eliminate elderly and minorities from voting. Not to mention shutting down license stations in mostly minority districts and charging exhorbitant fees for free ids, etc. All things wingnuts have done since Roberts there was no discrimination against blacks anymore.

But, you stoopid fucking wingnuts are too stoopid to know anything except what you get told to know.

mike from iowa said...

gawd, it must truly suck to be both inbred and completely fucking batshit crazy at the same time as being a wasicu wastey. Not that give a shit about you.

PilotX said...

"Mail-in ballots offer the easiest way to cheat."

Really? Is that why so many states allow it? You may want to tell that to Oregon.

Anonymous said...

"There are enough voter id laws on the books without cheating fucking wingnuts narrowing id down so as to eliminate elderly and minorities from voting. Not to mention shutting down license stations in mostly minority districts and charging exhorbitant fees for free ids, etc. "

You are lying. Again.

Any law eliminating elderly or minorities from voting would be clearly illegal and never could be put in place.

Any license station decisions are made by local authorities. In minority areas, these decisions are made by minority-run governments, not Republicans.

All voter ID laws make provisions for free IDs; there are no fees.

Anonymous said...

Hooray, Trump has a new press secretary.

*lying intensifies*

mike from iowa said...

Anymoose's lie number two debunked by any of a number of articles found here... https://www.google.com/search?q=who9+decided+to+shut+license+stations+in+minority+areas+of+Alabama&oq=who9+decided+to+shut+license+stations+in+minority+areas+of+Alabama&aqs=chrome..69i57.20318j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

It wasn't local officials who decided to racism against poor blacks. It was wingnuts at the Capitol in Alabama.

mike from iowa said...

Anymoose's lie number three debunked... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-wisconsin-voter-id/wisconsin-official-told-dmv-not-to-push-free-voter-id-cards-idUSTRE78713P20110908

Poor minorities were being charged 28 bucks for free photo ids as part of Scott Walker's disenfranchisement of poor, minority Dem voters in Wisconsin.

mike from iowa said...

Anymoose's first lie is debunked here.... https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/29/voter-suppression-tactics-in-the-age-of-trump

Tell me this exact match law wasn't designed to stop poor/minorities from voting.

There are all kinds of examples of wingnuts cheating to disenfranchise Dem voters.

mike from iowa said...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/07/politics/wisconsin-robin-vos-protective-gear/index.html

Ass embly speaker, wingnut Robin Vos tells voters it is perfectly safe to go out while wearing protective gear.

Hypocrite, thy name be stoopid fucking wasicu wastey wingnut.

Anonymous said...

"Poor minorities were being charged 28 bucks for free photo ids"

Bullshit.

Anonymous said...

We have to ban hydroxychloriquine.

If this starts actually curing people, it will make Trump look good.

Anonymous said...

“We have to ban hydroxychloriquine.

If this starts actually curing people, it will make Trump look good.”


No, Trump will still be dumb.

Recommending people take an untested drug, even if it later does turn out to be proven effective, is dumb.

PilotX said...

"Any license station decisions are made by local authorities."

What is a license station? To get a state ID I have to go to a state office. Is that different in your state? And BTW, there have been no credible instances of voter fraud. trump even disbanded the group that was supposed to find it. Using the resources of the federal government it was impossible to find so can we all just admit there is no voter fraud?

PilotX said...

trump admits the need to suppress the vote.

https://www.salon.com/2020/03/31/trump-admits-youd-never-have-a-republican-elected-in-this-country-again-if-voting-access-expanded_partner/

PilotX said...

"If this starts actually curing people, it will make Trump look good."

So that's what the cult of trump is reduced to? Hope a drug works instead of listening to medical professionals. Good god we're hanging our hopes on an IF.
IF plaid monkeys start flying out my ass I'll be rich and famous so I'll just run out and buy that Porsche.

Anonymous said...


WHY IS IT
THAT THE VERY PEOPLE
THAT HAVE BEEN OUTRAGED
FOR 8 YEARS BECAUSE OF 4 PEOPLE KILLED IN BENGHAZI
ARE NOW TELLING US THAT 100,00 DEATHS
DUE TO THE POTUS'S NEGLIGENCE
IS AN ACCEPTABLE NUMBER.

Al Franken said...

"there have been no credible instances of voter fraud."

Imagine believing this.

PilotX said...

"Imagine believing this."

Show the evidence. Kris Kolbach couldn't do it and he had the entire federal government's investigative powers. Maybe you can do what he couldn't. Put up or shut up.

PilotX said...

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/report-trump-commission-did-not-find-widespread-voter-fraud

dinthebeast said...

If Fergus does something that helps people avoid dying from this pandemic, that will be very good.

If my cat shat out solid gold a few times, that might be cool also, but perhaps not so cool for him.

Right now, though, I honestly wouldn't bet the rent on either event happening any time soon, because my cat is just a cat and Fergus is Donald the fuck Trump.

So Gavin Newsom says he has inked a contract for delivery of 200 million masks (150 million N95 and 50 million surgical) monthly for the foreseeable future, to take care of California's needs at the apex of its curve, and to ship to other states that need them at the apex of theirs.

I sure am glad that Jerry Brown raised taxes and stashed all of that money in the "rainy day fund" because it's about to rain like a motherfucker.

-Doug in Sugar Pine

dinthebeast said...

RIP John Prine.

-Doug in Sugar Pine

PilotX said...

"I sure am glad that Jerry Brown raised taxes and stashed all of that money in the "rainy day fund" because it's about to rain like a motherfucker."

That's not how it works Doug. You cut taxes to the rich and the wealth will trickle down and more money will fill the coffers because more people are paying taxes. Geez, don't you understand Reaganomics? It works because the Republicans told me.

Faith_and_Fairness said...

Howdy, Field and fellow posters: Trusting everyone is doing their best to stay healthy and safe. Must share David Frum's Atlantic essay. Though the longest read I can ever recall from Mr. Frum, this has to be his most informative and impactful analysis to date. Worth posting until the electorate stops the madness.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/04/americans-are-paying-the-price-for-trumps-failures/609532/

Faith_and_Fairness said...

Such a major bummer the Atlantic discontinued comment section. Quite possible this on your radar, Mr. Field. Thanks for keeping it πŸ’―.

mike from iowa said...

Long time no see, hombre. welcome back Faith and Fairness.

mike from iowa said...

drumpf's hoax only claimed 1850 Americans yesterday. That is nearly 1850 more bodies than Obama's Ebola slaughter had.

Anonymous said...

Trump's incompetence killed thousands in New York, and most people know it.

So Trump was governor of New York and mayor of NYC back in January-March when this was all going down, jetting from NYC to Albany to DC every day to get it all done?  And somehow this was all kept secret while Cuomo and de Blasio pretended to be in office?

WOW, WHAT A GUY!  Is there ANYTHING he can't do?

Anonymous said...

"It ain't the Dems who get caught in voter fraud."

37% of Detroits precincts registered more votes than voters in 2016.  Those are all Dems.

"Wingnuts cannot win without cheating."

19 foreign nationals indicted for illegally voting in 2016.  Dems can't win without importing voters.

Anonymous said...

Covid-19 released by deep state to start launch of NWO.

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...

dinthebeast said......

If Fergus does something that helps people avoid dying from this pandemic, that will be very good.

If my cat shat out solid gold a few times, that might be cool also, but perhaps not so cool for him.

Right now, though, I honestly wouldn't bet the rent on either event happening any time soon, because my cat is just a cat and Fergus is Donald the fuck Trump.

So Gavin Newsom says he has inked a contract for delivery of 200
dinthebeast said....

million masks (150 million N95 and 50 million surgical) monthly for the foreseeable future, to take care of California's needs at the apex of its curve, and to ship to other states that need them at the apex of theirs.

I sure am glad that Jerry Brown raised taxes and stashed all of that money in the "rainy day fund" because it's about to rain like a motherfucker.

-Doug in Sugar Pine
1:43 AM
--------------
Hey Doug, aren't you glad to be living in California where our governor is a real leader who has created an effective, intelligent, coordinated response to the pandemic? Not only does our state have enough supplies, we have extra to send to other states where the need is greater.

Gavin has shown Donald what a true leader does. But Trump won't learn anything from Newsom because Trump knows everything. If you doubt this, just ask him. He will tell you over and over again how smart he is.

California has about forty-million residents, yet the number of COV19 cases is much lower than in some states with less than half its population.

PilotX said...

"RIP John Prine."

Born in Maywood and learned to play guitar in Chicago.

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...

To Field,
Regarding Donald Trump - please don't bother to look for his soul 'cause he ain't got one. LOL

dinthebeast said...

Gavin is a reptile, but he's a competent reptile. I have felt that way about him since he was mayor of San Francisco. Would he make a good president? He sure thinks he would, and perhaps if his leadership turns out to be top shelf on this pandemic, he might have a case to make in front of the American people.

And let's hope that those masks (or at least some of them) aren't confiscated by FEMA as other state governments have been reporting lately. If Fergus wants masks for states that support him, he can make a deal for them like Newsom did. I thought he said that making deals was his thing.

So the namesake of the USS Theodore Roosevelt had a similar occurrence to what Captain Crozier just went through back in 1898 in Cuba, when his "Rough Riders" came down with malaria and yellow fever and needed immediate redeployment in order to survive.
Being the low man on the totem pole, TR risked his career and wrote and signed a letter asking for said redeployment, and lacking confidence in approval in time to save his men, gave a copy of the letter to an AP reporter who wired it stateside and created a major controversy, but the men were immediately withdrawn from Cuba.

https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2020/april/uss-theodore-roosevelt-commanding-officer-followed-example-colonel

-Doug in Sugar Pine

mike from iowa said...



37% of Detroits precincts registered more votes than voters in 2016. Those are all Dems


Wasn't voter fraud at all in Detroit.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/more-votes-than-voters-in-detroit/

mike from iowa said...

So you are whining about 19 foreign alleged voters, not the 3-5 million drumpf kept claiming. Pathetic and so far I have yet to find if any of them were ever convicted.

Faith_and_Fairness said...

Actually, been here all along, amigo. I see you, Doug, Pilot, Gambler & a few insightful anons speaking truth to power :-)

Faith_and_Fairness said...

Actually, been here all along, amigo. I see you, Doug, Pilot, Gambler & a few insightful anons speaking truth to power :-)

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...

Blogger Faith_and_Fairness said..

Actually, been here all along, amigo. I see you, Doug, Pilot, Gambler & a few insightful anons speaking truth to power :-)
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I'm glad to hear from again. We need all the truth sayers we can get to contradict the liars.

PilotX said...

Hey F&FπŸ‘‹πŸΎ

dinthebeast said...

Truth to power is being kind, but thank you anyway.

-Doug in Sugar Pine