Saturday, September 10, 2022

Above the law?

 


The thing you have to understand about the legal system in America is this: Yes, it's fundamentally a fair system, and it probably has no equal anywhere else in the world. But sadly, we have to be honest with ourselves and acknowledge its flaws. 

We tend to selectively prosecute for certain crimes in this country. Often who gets prosecuted will depend on their wealth, level of influence, and their social connections and political clout in their community.  

I think you all know where I am going with this. 

There is a fellow down in South Florida who lives in a very large estate, and who used to have a game show on television. This fellow should probably have been indicted for some very serious crimes by now. Honestly, after all we have seen and heard over the past few weeks, most of us of sound mind are wondering why the former game show host has not been charged and arrested. 

I agree with Glenn Kirschner. 

"Ex-prosecutor Glenn Kirschner said Trump should be arrested "promptly" in light of the Mar-a-Lago search.

The FBI recovered dozens of empty folders marked confidential or containing instructions to return the contents to an aide.

"Did he sell them to America's adversaries? Did he use them to blackmail people?" Kirschner asked.

In the probe, investigators recovered nearly 100 empty folders, according to a detailed inventory unsealed and released by the Justice Department. It's unclear where the contents of each empty folder are.

Kirschner, speaking in an episode of his YouTube channel, questioned whether Trump might have sold or given away some of those classified government documents. 

'The most reasonable inference is that Donald Trump disposed of those classified documents after unlawfully taking them from the White House," Kirschner said. "To what purpose did he put them? Did he sell them to America's adversaries? Did he use them to blackmail people? Did he use them to leverage a favorable business deal in some country or another? We don't know yet.'"

True, we don't know all the details yet. But we know enough to know that the former game show host broke the law. And if he was just a another "normal" citizen like most of us, he would be talking to his lawyers about the best way to stay out of prison for a long time. 

This is what a former federal employee, James Turnage, wrote about the theft of classified docs: 

"The removal of secret documents from the protection of the United States federal government is a crime punishable by fines and imprisonment. Trump stole 15 boxes of documents when he was removed from the White House, many of which were classified. This author was a federal employee for about two years and was told that if anyone violated the oaths of office, they could receive a punishment that could include a 25,000 dollar fine and 10 years in federal prison.

This author asks Trump supporters included, “if anyone violates federal law, should he or she be allowed to run for office?” Many believe that Trump’s theft of classified documents combined with his close relationship with Vladimir Putin should be treason.

How many times will this government, most importantly the Department of Justice, allow Trump to commit acts of sedition and irrefutable treason before he is tried for the ultimate crime against this nation?

On Friday, it was confirmed that the 15 boxes of federal documents stolen by Trump, and recovered in Mar-a-Lago, contained multiple documents containing national secrets. If this had been discovered as an act by anyone other than a disgraced former president, this individual would have been charged with the highest crime against the United States of America."

No one should be above the law, but this is America, and old habits are hard to break.  



  

  

144 comments:

Anonymous said...

This is bullshit.  The POTUS has unlimited authority to declassify documents.  It doesn't matter how the documents are originally marked, if Trump took it home he implicitly declassified it.

Most of that stuff probably pertains to the fraudulent Steele dossier and the "RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA" hoax.

dinthebeast said...

Perhaps if Ford hadn't pardoned Nixon, or if Reagan hadn't skated on Iran-Contra, or G.W. Bush hadn't gotten away with torturing people, Fergus would stand a better chance of receiving justice for his crimes. Somewhere along the line someone decided that Republican presidents just don't get prosecuted for their crimes, and we're still living with that.
Above anon: declassifying is one thing (that he did not do or there would be a record of it) but stealing government property is an entirely different matter, and he was caught dead to rights with the stolen documents, after ignoring a subpoena requesting their return and lying to the government about that.
This is sort of important, like the assault on democracy his fans are waging is important, and how it gets resolved will impact what kind of country we get to live in going forward.
I predict that very few people will be satisfied by the outcome, and note that liberals have been warning that something like this was inevitable if the goddamn Republicans aren't reined in politically for many years now.

-Doug in Sugar Pine

Ian said...

" The POTUS has unlimited authority to declassify documents." 1) The Individual in question is not the POTUS anymore, seems like that Brandon fellow you all despise with 10000 suns has had that job for a hot minute. 2) Declassifying documents is a thing the current POTUS can do, but it requires paperwork and a process. It does not work like a magic wand, it cannot just happen in someone's mind or implicitly. There is a record of what is declassified.

"This is bullshit." Try "fuck your feelings" on for size.

Anonymous said...

It boggles the mind that so many people still support this awful person. He cheated on his pregnant wife with a porn star, he refuses to release his taxes, he put a senior citizen who just wanted to make some extra money at risk, he caused the US Capitol to be attacked for the first time in my life and lies like no one else in history. If this is the guy we want in charge of the free world we need some serious soul searching.

Bloviating Ignoramus said...

Now what the fuck would an Insane Clown Putin wannabe with debts no honest man can pay need with top secret documents?

Bloviating Ignoramus said...

And how the fuck did Insane Clown get to handpick his own judge? Didn't take long for Insane Clown's bitch to go from "why me" to all his special needs need to be catered to.

dinthebeast said...

"And how the fuck did Insane Clown get to handpick his own judge?"
With help from Mitch McConnell and the Federalist Society. This one just stands out because it is in the jurisdiction of Mar a Lago, which makes it seem more corrupt than the hundreds of other young, lame, incompetent ideologues they installed on the federal bench all across the country.

-Doug in Sugar Pine

dinthebeast said...

So now 9-11 is old enough to buy a beer. Looking around, I'd guess that it could probably use one about now.

-Doug in Sugar Pine

field negro said...

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Gambler2 said...

From the Daily Beast this morning...

This is really frightening. I hope people with Qanon Crazies in their families will be warned of the potential danger.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/igor-lanis-murdered-wife-shot-daughter-after-being-sucked-down-qanon-rabbit-hole-family-says?ref=home

He killed his wife and the family dog, then shot his adult daughter and son who are hospitalized.

Gambler2 said...

Anonymous said...

"This is bullshit. The POTUS has unlimited authority to declassify documents."

12:28 AM
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True, POTUS does have unlimited authority to declassify documents, but there is a procedure he/she must follow. This is a well known fact. So you are either painfully ignorant or lying.

Anonymous said...

"He killed his wife and the family dog, then shot his adult daughter and son who are hospitalized."

QAnoners are determined to protect and save the children -- except when they're busy shooting their own children.

Hmmm. Perhaps they're not really interesting in protecting children at all. It's almost as though their movement is just an excuse for defaming and threatening violence against people they don't like (left-wingers).

Anonymous said...

“This is a well known fact. So you are either painfully ignorant or lying.“

Why not both?🀷🏾‍♂️

Anonymous said...

“‘This is a well known fact. So you are either painfully ignorant or lying.’

Why not both?”


A throwback meme.

:-D

PilotX said...

LOL!

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Anonymous 12:26 said
“ The POTUS has unlimited authority to declassify documents. It doesn't matter how the documents are originally marked, if Trump took it home he implicitly declassified it.”
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First, Trump is no longer POTUS. His term ended on January 20, 2021. Btw, there are top secret documents that even a POTUS cannot declassify. Second, there is a process for declassifying documents that even POTUS has to follow. Third, even if he declassified them. THEY DON’T BELONG TO HIM OR ANY OTHER GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE OR FORMER GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE, NO MATTER WHAT THEIR TITLE IS! The documents are government property and belong in the archives. Some classified documents come in a briefcase with a lock on them. There is a room where classified documents are viewed that is isolated.

When someone becomes a government employee, no matter who they are, they’re given a manual with rules and regulations to read. There is a section in it that explains the rules, regulations, and protocol regarding government documents. After you’ve read it, you’re given a document to sign stating you’ve read and understood what you’ve read. Before you sign it, you’re given a chance to ask questions if there is anything you don’t understand or that isn’t clear to you. It goes in your personnel file. Therefore, there is no excuse.

Also, Trump had help. He didn’t get those classified documents all by himself. Nope. Those are not documents that you’ll find sitting on top of people’s desks. However, I’m sure whoever that was will come to light in the investigation. Thank God for surveillance cameras and all sorts of technology. Kushner, Nunes, Marco Rubio, Kashyap Patel, and Ezra Cohen are on my list of suspects.

If you wish to remain in Lala land, that’s your choice, regardless if it’s unrealistic, moronic, or delusional. Nevertheless, the Steele document wasn’t a fraud. Trump’s collusion with Russia wasn’t a hoax.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

I forgot to add Flynn to that list.

A president cannon declassify nuclear secrets and a few other top secrets.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

*cannot* declassify nuclear secrets>

dinthebeast said...

California has enough battery storage linked to its power grid that it averted rolling blackouts during last weeks heat wave. Battery linked solar power in California is now less expensive than any fossil fuel based energy, and more battery capacity is being added all the time.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.365.6449.108

"During a critical peak the evening of Sept. 5, when the grid was quickly approaching capacity, California’s batteries provided more power — over 3,360 megawatts — than the Diablo Canyon nuclear power plant, the state’s largest electric generator, which tops out at 2,250. From 5:45 to 8:45 p.m. on that Monday, when the threats of mandatory blackouts were at their greatest, the state’s batteries pumped 2,000 megawatts or more continuously into the grid — a full three hours of grid-saving power. Batteries provided about 4% of supply during the peak demand, which averted rolling blackouts."

The batteries are also evening out the costs of energy for users by recharging during the lower cost mid day and discharging during the higher cost evening.

-Doug in Sugar Pine

Anonymous said...

My main question for California’s energy plans has to do with recent efforts to ban natural gas in new homes, restaurants, etc. I’m pretty skeptical about the ability of California utilities to replace this lost energy source with electricity ON TOP OF the additional electricity already needed for the switchover to electric vehicles AND the need to spend money buring more of their power lines so as not to start wildfires.

It’s a lot! Can they feasibly do all of that simultaneously? From the outside, it looks way too ambitious and risks failure. PG&E, for example, is already broke.

Dealing with global warming is urgent, but … you’ve still got to keep the lights on.

Anonymous said...

*burying power lines, not “buring”

dinthebeast said...

" you’ve still got to keep the lights on."

Which is precisely what we just did during the unprecedented stress on the grid from the heat wave. Yes, we will have to make major changes, like everyone who uses electricity will, the difference being that we are actually doing those changes right now, and thus will be a decade or so ahead of the curve when it comes to getting away from fossil fuels, which is inevitable.

On the lighter side, Ken Starr is dead.

-Doug in Sugar Pine

dinthebeast said...

Miss Lindsey's 15 week abortion ban is exactly what Democrats hoped to see. With eight weeks remaining before Election Day 2022, Democrats are eager to tell voters that Republicans want a national abortion ban. Graham just handed them a piΓ±ata to hit repeatedly for the next 55 days.
With a Democratic majority in the House and Senate, a national abortion ban obviously stands no chance of success. But Graham declared today, out loud and on camera, “If [Republicans] take back the House and Senate, I can assure you we’ll have a vote” on his legislation.

Prepare to see and hear that quote quite a bit over the next eight weeks.
(h/t: Steve Benen)

-Doug in Sugar Pine

PilotX said...

"Miss Lindsey's 15 week abortion ban is exactly what Democrats hoped to see."

Oh the Dems will find a way to screw it up. They're not serious about keeping the senate because if they were they would pick up the easiest seat in Tim Scott's. I really don't need to hear them squawk about being serious. Just watch Doug, they'll be a forced error soon enough.

Anonymous said...

“Yes, we will have to make major changes, like everyone who uses electricity will, the difference being that we are actually doing those changes right now”

Well, that’s the operative question, though. Can these changes actually be made as fast as California is trying to make them? Do the plans add up? It’s not only a matter of spending more money, although that will be a factor. There are some finite resources that will impact whether the goal is achievable. There are only so many engineers and technicians available to run the transmission lines and build substations, to set up new generating capacity. There may be scarcity of needed parts, organizational challenges in managing many projects at once. Et cetera.

The bottom line is that there will be limits to how fast one can expand the grid to supply more green electricity— or any type of electricity at all, really.

I guess we’ll all see in a few years whether they can pull it off, or whether some major U-turns are coming.

Anonymous said...

“Miss Lindsey's 15 week abortion ban is exactly what Democrats hoped to see.”

Republican candidates’ campaign managers are probably pulling their hair out in despair, right about now, and wondering if they can hire a hit man to have Lindsey whacked. He is not a team player.

Ian said...

Hey Pilot, why do you think Tim Scott's seat is the easiest to pick up? S.C. isn't exactly friendly turf, and from what I understand the state rep running for the Democratic party made a self-inflicted gaffe. Based on polling, I would think the dems have a better shot at picking up Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania, or Florida.

Anonymous said...

“Hey Pilot, why do you think Tim Scott's seat is the easiest to pick up?”

It isn’t. Scott won his last election with 60% of the vote to the opposing candidate’s 37%. Not an insurmountable landslide, but not at all close, either. A solid win for Scott.

His opponent would have to be exceptional to beat him, and she’s the opposite. She’s a no-hoper. Scott will be re-elected.

PilotX said...

"Hey Pilot, why do you think Tim Scott's seat is the easiest to pick up?"

Simple, racism. Look at his last three opponents, what do they have in common? Do a quick search of Rachel Maddow's investigation into his first opponent. Either the S.C. Dems are completely incompetent or there is some kind of fix in. Maybe both.

PilotX said...

"His opponent would have to be exceptional to beat him, and she’s the opposite. She’s a no-hoper. Scott will be re-elected."

Exactly the point. Why would the S.C. Dems nominate her?

PilotX said...

Remember Alvin Greene in 2010? Perhaps a little reminder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zT55Z2eeDY

PilotX said...

Lastly, if this ain't the coup de grace I don't know what is. The current candidate has been caught saying some egregious comments about white people and is being pressured to suspend her campaign. Well golly gee, a negro woman making disparaging comments against white folk in a heavily Republican state how fucking convenient. If that happens if you can't already guess what happens take a look at what the AP reports would happen:
"Were Matthews to suspend her campaign, her name would likely still remain on ballots, which party officials said were already being produced for overseas voters. With no third-party candidate in the race, Scott’s name is the only other that would appear."

Dear god, if you ain't cheating you ain't trying I guess.

Flying Junior said...

Womb envy.

Anonymous said...

“Exactly the point. Why would the S.C. Dems nominate her?”

I don’t think it’s any kind of a sinister plot. It’s just the Democrats are employing a strategy called “not trying very hard” in South Carolina.

The Democrats have ranked which contests they think they can win, and decided that South Carolina is a long shot, so they’re really not devoting any meaningful resources or effort to winning there. They’ve sort of written it off as a lost cause, a redneck paradise that will be way too hard to prize it out of the iron grip of the Republicans.

Inevitably, the Democrats have to do some of that prioritizing. They don’t have unlimited resources. But there is an argument to be made that they have overprioritized winning the blue states, and are over-reliant on their core, loyal constituencies of POCs and urbanites, and they aren’t making enough of a play for some other constituencies. Basically, they are leaving potentially winnable seats on the table.

So, like, probably South Carolina isn’t winnable and I can’t blame them that much for not giving up there, but it’s pretty inexcusable that they’ve recently let the GOP punk them so bad in places like Wisconsin or Florida. There just is no good excuse for why Dem organization is so bad in those places that you had someone like Scott Walker able to conquer Wisconsin a few years back, or a complete maniac like DeSantis running Florida. Those states have lots of liberals in them and the Dems would have a shot there, if they ever got their act together.

PilotX said...

"So, like, probably South Carolina isn’t winnable and I can’t blame them that much for not giving up there"

I call bullshit. You know that has always been a racist ass state and if they ran a white male the voters would have to choose between their racism and their loyalty to the GOP. Did you watch the video of Alvin Greene? Did you know in the last election his opponent was a former felon from Chicago? Why is the current candidate getting caught making anti-white comments? This goes beyond just not making an effort, this is outright sabotage. Hell, I could help them win that seat and I have never been involved in any political activity. You're telling me the best they can ALWAYS seem to find are municipal or county candidates? No state senator or former governor wants to be a senator? Really? GTFOH, there is definitely something fishy going on there.

PilotX said...

Russia hoax?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalsh/2022/09/13/russia-has-secretly-spent-300-million-to-influence-foreign-elections-us-says/?sh=29ccead14784

Anonymous said...

“I call bullshit. You know that has always been a racist ass state and if they ran a white male the voters would have to choose between their racism and their loyalty to the GOP.”

I don’t think that’s true. Given the choice between a white liberal and a Republican “good Negro” — one who will lecture others in his community that racism is over and they just need to pull up their sagging pants, stop being lazy, and stop resisting the police — many racist voters will choose the Republican. As long as they feel they can trust the Republican not to suddenly have a change of heart and transform into Malcolm X.

Tim Scott largely fills that bill. And if white racist voters ever feel he doesn’t, they’ll get rid of him by replacing him with a white wingnut in the Republican primary, not a white liberal in the general election.

The Democrats can’t take back Southern states by just running more white candidates. Winning will require more than that. And many of them just aren’t winnable at all. But surprisingly, some are. As a result of recent demographic shifts (people moving to those states from other parts of the country), Virginia and Georgia are now in play, and the Democrats are fighting for them.

Anonymous said...

Whatever the Marxist left accuses Trump of, they themselves are guilty of. This is the formula.

Anonymous said...

Well, the FBI came and snatched the phone of the goofy MyPillow guy.

That seems like it might be yet more bad news for Trump.

Gambler2 said...

The batteries are also evening out the costs of energy for users by recharging during the lower cost mid day and discharging during the higher cost evening.

-Doug in Sugar Pine

4:24 PM
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Informative post, Doug, Thanks for posting it. Also there were many of us here in So.Cal that turned our air conditioners off or raised our thermostats to a higher level †o help out. It was amazing how quickly †he crisis was avoided. It shows that many California people care about the common good.

Gambler2 said...

Anonymous said...

"Whatever the Marxist left accuses Trump of, they themselves are guilty of. This is the formula."

12:50 PM
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This post is totally crazy and exactly backwards. Trump and the GOP followers accuse Democrats of being pedophiles, but if you,follow the news, it's the Republican men being charged with this crime, especially Christo-fascist Republican men.
Also, If you look around you, do you hear or see any Democrats stealing classified documents? But Trump stole hundreds.

And after more than 50 law suits, do you know of any fraud in the 2020 election? The only fraud found involved a few Republican men who voted in the name of dead relatives.

You are not a very good troll for Trump. Your lies are too transparent.

PX said...

“I don’t think that’s true.“

We’re gonna have to agree to disagree. I highly doubt the S.C. braintrust thought a liberal Blah woman had a snowball’s chance in hell opposed to let’s say the last Dem candidate for governor who was an Army combat vet. Sure, a white racist would LOVE to vote for a possibly gay Blah dude, sure their dream candidate.πŸ™„

PX said...

“And if white racist voters ever feel he doesn’t, they’ll get rid of him by replacing him with a white wingnut in the Republican primary, not a white liberal in the general election.”

You really don’t know how this works do you?πŸ™„

PX said...

“The Democrats can’t take back Southern states by just running more white candidates.“

Good god, this is like talking to a German Shepard. Not southern states in general, South F’n Carolina because it’s the only one with a Blah senator unless you know something I don’t. Ya know, just let go it’s pretty obvious you want to argue just to argue.

Gambler2 said...

To anonymous at 12:50 PM

GOP Candidate Joked About Choking Women, Liked Photos Of Underage Girls
https://crooksandliars.com/2022/09/gop-candidate-joked-about-choking-women

By Conover Kennard — September 15, 2022

Republican candidate for Congress Alek Skarlatos has some explaining to do. He's in a competitive Oregon district, so he might have thrown the race to his Democratic opponent over the scandal he's found himself in.

Many right wing men tend to hate women.

Gambler2 said...

From Raw Story this morning:

New York MAGA election official arrested by FBI on 12 counts of voter fraud

https://www.rawstory.com/new-york-maga-election-official-arrested-by-fbi-on-12-counts-of-voter-fraud/?traffic_source=Connatix

Anonymous said...

“he might have thrown the race to his Democratic opponent over the scandal he's found himself in”

Maybe but in the current environment after trump he can always just say it’s fake news.🀷🏾‍♂️

Manifest Density said...


"The thing you have to understand about the legal system in America is...its flaws."

Don King said it best when he coined the phrase, " Only in America!"

Where else could a draft dodging, tax evading emigrant build an empire where one day his draft dodging, tax evading grandson could be president?

Manifest Density said...


"The thing you have to understand about the legal system in America is this...old habits are hard to break."

This country was founded by human trafficking, alcoholic insurrectionists. Is there any wonder that we are still suffering with human trafficking, drug abuse and insurrectionists?

Bloviating Ignoramus said...

Fly a planeload of pigshit to Florida and dump it on DeSatan's head.

Gambler2 said...

Hey, Bloviating Ignoramus, I like this idea.

Anonymous said...

“Fly a planeload of pigshit to Florida and dump it on DeSatan's head.”

Maybe we could just take all the guns that have been confiscated from gangbangers in Chicago and DC and New York and Boston, and hand them out to gangbangers in Jacksonville and Miami and Orlando and Tampa!

It takes care of OUR gun disposal problem here in the blue states, and why not? — laws don’t matter anymore and state governments can do whatever they please now for the sake of political stunts, apparently.

Anyway, how could DeSantis possibly object? Republicans looooove them some guns, amirite?

dinthebeast said...

Got my bivalent covid booster today. My original shot was a J&J, my first booster was Moderna and this one was Pfizer, so I've had all three flavors...

-Doug in Sugar Pine

Anonymous said...

Thank you for volunteering to be part of the animal studies for the booster, dinthebeast!

A healthy teenage golfer dropped dead on the golf course as he practiced for a tournament.  A 23-yr-old drag queen dropped dead during a performance.  Studies have shown that the more vaxxes and boosters you have, the MORE likely you are to get COVID.

Better radical leftards than Americans, that's for sure.

Anonymous said...

Death rates in the UK in 2022 were highest among the vaccinated.  See the bar graph on deaths by vaccination status:

https://expose-news.com/2022/09/18/distracted-queens-death-uk-gov-reveal-triple-jabbed-91-percent-covid-deaths/

Data from here:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending2september2022

dinthebeast said...

Funny, but I'm still alive and kicking, haven't had covid, and didn't really even have any side effects. Part of that is the vaccines, and the rest is my behavior. I still wear an N-95 indoors with people I don't know (at the grocery store and such) and avoid crowds, mostly. Which isn't hard when you live out in the boonies like I do. I would have had to employ a different strategy had I been living in Oakland during the pandemic, but as luck would have it, we moved out here in the sticks in December of 2019.

-Doug in Sugar Pine

Gambler2 said...

Anonymous said....
"Studies have shown that the more vaxxes and boosters you have, the MORE likely you are to get COVID.

Better radical leftards than Americans, that's for sure."

5:00 PM
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I am wondering if you have a reliable source for this startling announcement, or did you just make up some bullshit like Trump does?

Are we supposed to believe this? What studies? Who conducted them? How many subjects were included in each of these studies that you are referring to? When were these studies conducted?

Anonymous said...

Fact-checking sites state the Expose has been a regular source of misinformation regarding the covid virus. Maybe use more credible sources?

https://fullfact.org/health/expose-false-total-vaccine-deaths/

Anonymous said...

The data are there and cited.


https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending2september2022

Check it yourself.

Anonymous said...

At least 23 people shot in Chicago between Friday night and Saturday afternoon
By Sun-Times Media Wire
Published September 17, 2022 6:17PM

3-year-old, 10-year-old among overnight shooting victims

police say at least 15 people were shot over night Friday into Saturday and two young children were among those injured.

Anonymous said...

Take the shot get the clot

Anonymous said...

25-yr-old drag queen drops dead mid-performance in Killadelphia:

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/valencia-prime-philadelphia-drag-queen-dies-performance-rcna47893

Nothing of value was lost, of course, but ask yourself:  did anything like this happen PRE-vax?

Anonymous said...

NBC News gutted after deleting tweet with quote comparing Martha's Vineyard migrants to ‘trash’
Journalist Andy Ngo tweeted that NBC deleted the tweet for being 'a little bit too honest about what some Democrats feel'


https://www.foxnews.com/media/nbc-news-gutted-deleting-tweet-quote-comparing-marthas-vineyard-migrants-trash

Anonymous said...

Wow, the marxist elites on marthas vinyard call out THE NATIONAL GUARD to deport the illegals from their island paradise for globalists.

They allow them in but not in THEIR neighborhood.

Anonymous said...

Chicago shootings: 3-year-old girl among 61 shot, 9 fatally in weekend violence, police say
At least 5 minors injured in Chicago weekend shootings, police said.


https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-shootings-this-weekend-in-crime-police/12239810/

Anonymous said...

Green New deal = Bullshit

Gambler2 said...

Anonymous said...

"Chicago shootings: 3-year-old girl among 61 shot, 9 fatally in weekend violence, police say
At least 5 minors injured in Chicago weekend shootings, police said."


https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-shootings-this-weekend-in-crime-police/12239810/

12:03 PM
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Hey Anon, you got any data regarding how many people were shot in other cities across the nation this week-end? Huston? Dallas? Miami? Nashville? L.A.?

Anonymous said...

"Wow, the marxist elites on marthas vinyard call out THE NATIONAL GUARD to deport the illegals from their island paradise for globalists.

They allow them in but not in THEIR neighborhood."


Maybe because there are no refugee processing facilities on Martha's Vineyard? Which DeSantis knew before he pulled this dumb stunt. Same ridiculous logic with sending refugees to Kamala Harris' house. "Why doesn't evil globalist elitist have a refugee-processing facility in her house? Why does she hate Latinos?" asks Fox News.

How dumb are wingnuts, actually? Sending desperate people to places there are no resources to care for them is obviously both childish and cruel. And the stunts are dishonest on top of that. They are predicated on the premise that "blue states don't understand the burden border states are shouldering because of immigration." But everyone knows it's not about "burdens"; Republicans are just fucking racists who hate brown people and want them out of the country.

Finally, all of that is besides one extremely important point: DeSantis has no legal authority to do any of this. Immigration is entirely in federal, not state jurisdiction. So when DeSantis grabs migrants and moves them around the country, against their will and without regard for their welfare or how this will impair any asylum claims they might make, that's interstate kidnapping, which is -- surprise! -- a federal crime.

These stunts probably won't continue past the general election, but if they do, if DeSantis sends out another migrant transport on Nov. 9th, then on Nov. 10th, Biden should respond by sending the FBI to arrest DeSantis and toss him in the slammer.

dinthebeast said...

Not only was the stunt cruel and stupid, but in Massachusetts there's a law granting immigrants who are victims of crimes special "U" visas, with which they can't be deported while their case is being heard. Such cases can take up to seven years to resolve, so the entire "ship them as far away from their immigration hearing as possible to get them immediately removed for missing it" sort of blew up in their ignorant faces.
Some day we won't have to rely on Republican incompetence to bollix their atrocities, but until then I'll take it when I can get it.
And their "blue states don't want immigrants either" bullshit doesn't fly here in California...

"California is home to almost 11 million immigrants—about a quarter of the foreign-born population nationwide. In 2019, the most current year of data, 27% of California's population was foreign born, more than double the percentage in the rest of the country."

...Where the high concentration of immigrants has supercharged our economy resulting in huge budget surpluses for multiple years, while red states struggle under a "worker shortage" and resort to political stunts to keep their Republican officeholders from being summarily thrown out for their manifest incompetence at running their economies.

-Doug in Sugar Pine

Gambler2 said...

CBS 4 reported that Gainesville police said that 29-year-old David Frick (who is white) entered the store on Sunday and "started punching the employee." According to police, Frick shouted, "F--k, Joe Biden," during the assault.

"The victim was in the back getting ice cream out of the freezer when Frick grabbed the victim and hit her in the face multiple times," WCJB noted.

"After falling, Police say Frick got on top of her and punched her more. A customer tackled Frick to stop the attack, and then he punched the customer in the face and ran out of the store, according to the arrest report," CBS 4 said.
https://www.rawstory.com/florida-man-joe-biden-cvs/?cx_testId=6&cx_testVariant=cx_undefined&cx_artPos=3&cx_experienceId=EXC93HV4HK4I#cxrecs_s
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Why can't white people do something about the violent people in their midst?

dinthebeast said...

From Susie Madrak's blog:

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Thanks, Alito.

32,402,079 more Americans have contracted COVID, and 205,160 have died since the Supreme Court rejected the vaccine mandates. #ThanksAlito

-Doug in Sugar Pine

Anonymous said...

“did anything like this happen PRE-vax?”

Yup. Basketball players Hank Gathers and Reggie Lewis died on the court. Both were in their 20’s and this was loooooooong before the covid vaccines.

dinthebeast said...

From Crooks and Liars:

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-Doug in Sugar Pine

Anonymous said...

Maybe because there are no refugee processing facilities on Martha's Vineyard?

And just WHY aren't there any on MV?

There were at least two churches with cots and laundry and cooking facilities.  That's where they stayed for the 2 nights they were on MV, you idiot.  They could all have fit in Obama's summer house, but the churches took care of them.

It is ABSURD to claim that an island whose population swells by 180,000 in the summer cannot take care of 50 illegals.  They were removed because the elites are privileged and don't want to deal with them.  Illegals are brought in to plague "little people".

DeSantis is a genius for exposing elite hypocrisy so simply.

Republicans are just fucking racists who hate brown people

Republicans are people who don't want to be out-voted by un-American welfare parasites turning their areas blue.

Anonymous said...

Have a look at this beauty:

https://seed128.bitchute.com/EsSVjLui2aGL/eZ0sjG8augdc.mp4

The screeches even SOUND like monkeys!

You know the comparisons are apt.  You just hate the truth.

dinthebeast said...

Merrick Garland swears in 200 new US citizens on the 235th anniversary of the signing of the constitution:

https://crooksandliars.com/2022/09/if-you-need-something-inspiring-after

-Doug in Sugar Pine

dinthebeast said...

"It is ABSURD to claim that an island whose population swells by 180,000 in the summer cannot take care of 50 illegals."

They're not "illegals" you fucking pine cone, they're migrants and asylum seekers who have every right under US law to be treated like human beings while their cases are heard and decided.
And it's a bit rich to hear the ones who thirty dollars at a time have built Fergus' $200 million slush fund claim scarcity as the reason that law shouldn't apply.

-Doug in Sugar Pine

Anonymous said...

"There were at least two churches with cots and laundry and cooking facilities. That's where they stayed for the 2 nights they were on MV, you idiot."

A church isn't a residential living facility. It's just the best that local authorities could cobble together with literally no warning that these migrants would be dumped there.

"They could all have fit in Obama's summer house, but the churches took care of them."

Yeah, I'm sure they could also fit in spare bedrooms of random middle-class people in Florida, and I guess we could pass a law forcing Floridians to offer up their spare bedrooms, but no one expects that to be the solution to asylum-seeking migrants because it's insane.

Your arguments about the alleged hypocrisy of liberals refusing to personally care for migrants after "importing" them have the small flaw that no one is fuckign "importing" them. This is just a wingnut lie. Migrants choose to come here of their own volition, either for asylum, because they are being persecuted in their home countries, or for economic opportunity, because their home countries are poor.

Regardless of whether you think they should ultimately be allowed to stay or not, basic decency requires that they be treated humanely while their immigration cases are being processed.

Anonymous said...

"'Maybe because there are no refugee processing facilities on Martha's Vineyard?'
And just WHY aren't there any on MV?"


Oh, I dunno, how about, say, COST. Do you have any idea how expensive real estate is on Martha's Vineyard? That real estate price would translate into spending a fortune on housing asylum seekers.

And guess who would be paying those costs. That would be you, the federal taxpayer. Not the rich people who live on Martha's Vineyard. Because, repeat after me, IMMIGRATION IS A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT RESPONSIBILITY.

So if asylum seekers were actually housed there, the same people who are cheering DeSantis' stunt (and the same for Gov. Abbott) now would turn around and start yammering about how outraged they are at having their taxes go to pay for the luxury accommodations of those damn job-stealing foreigners on Martha's Vineyard. Tucker Carlson would find a way to rant about this nightly.

None of this behavior is about finding solutions to deal with finding resources to deal with border-crossers. It's just performative assholishness.

Anonymous said...

“You know the comparisons are apt. You just hate the truth.“

What truth? Racist assholes like you are ignorant cowards? We already know this.

Anonymous said...

“the same people who are cheering DeSantis' stunt (and the same for Gov. Abbott) now would turn around and start yammering about how outraged they are at having their taxes go to pay for the luxury accommodations of those damn job-stealing foreigners“

Nah, Florida obviously has enough money to charter private jets to exclusive destinations so might as well put the
up in the finest of establishments.

Anonymous said...

“Republicans are people who don't want to be out-voted by un-American welfare parasites turning their areas blue.“

You mean blue states that have the highest educational outcomes and best healthcare systems? I’ll take that over dumb ass red states that are at the bottom of all metrics especially education. I guess you represent this fabulously.

Ian said...

Just going to go out on a limb and say that if you call people 'parasites', and you call them that because they are not part of what you define as your nationality, you are a racist.

Anonymous said...

How have I only just heard about this? Given the absurdity of the following incident, which happened 7 years ago, it really ought to have made bigger headlines.

Fox "News" is a horrific joke of a media outlet, but sometimes the stupidity of the on-air people even exceeds the normal, awful expectations for one of their shows. One spectacular example is the Fox and Friends segment in which they decided to have their presenters engage in throwing axes at a target in a heavily populated urban area.

Even a typical grade-school kid would be able to spot the potential for disaster here, but apparently not Fox producers. Naturally, an axe missed the target and nailed a member of a marching band practicing nearby, and his lawsuit against Fox is still ongoing in court. You can watch video of the insane, axe-flinging glory here.

Just dumb as hell -- both the people who run Fox AND the people who watch it.

dinthebeast said...

This is in the closest town to where we live, about eight miles down the mountain:

https://www.yosemiteaxe.com/

-Doug in Sugar Pine

Anonymous said...

“This is in the closest town to where we live, about eight miles down the mountain”

Hopefully, they are at least smart enough to direct you not to hurl your axes in the general direction of marching bands.

dinthebeast said...

They are. Republican Jesus:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1570822428422705153

-Doug in Sugar Pine

Anonymous said...

Also on Fox “News,” Tucker Carlson thinks Lady Gaga has the ability to “gay hypnotize” people.

Hide your children, Fox viewers.

Sadly, Tucker did not warn them about the dire threat of flying axes emanating from Fox studios.

Anonymous said...

They're not "illegals" you fucking pine cone,

Under the law, they are aliens who are illegally present.  "Illegals" is a legit contraction.

they're migrants and asylum seekers

Bullshit terms to conceal what they've done.

who have every right under US law to be treated like human beings while their cases are heard and decided.

They can be treated like human beings IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES while their cases are presented.

They have no business being HERE until decisions are made.  Until then, they should STAY HOME!

Anonymous said...

Texas sheriff opens criminal probe into relocation of migrants to Martha’s Vineyard

Anonymous said...

Coyote!
The Sheriff is after you!
Coyote!
If he catches you you’re through!

dinthebeast said...

Dearie to Fergus' lawyers: So which documents did he declassify?

Fergus' lawyers: We don't want to say in case we have to lie about it later.

Dearie: OK, that will be "none of them" then.

-Doug in Sugar Pine

Anonymous said...

The migrants DeSantis shipped to Martha’s Vineyard are now suing him for violating their 4th and 14th Amendment rights.

This is all probably going to end with these migrants getting rich AND winning green cards, while DeSantis fans rage about how unfair it all is that this “f-you, foreigners” ironically morphed into a taxpayer-funded jackpot for those same migrants.

Bloviating Ignoramus said...

Lock DeSatan up.

PilotX said...

"They can be treated like human beings IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES while their cases are presented."

Many were fleeing their home countries seeking asylum.

Bloviating Ignoramus said...

Throw Abbortion and his wheelchair off a cliff.

Anonymous said...

Trump is going down. Leticia James is out for blood.

New York AG sues Trump, his children and their company on charges of large-scale business fraud

dinthebeast said...

Thomas Lane gets three years and Fergus gets sued by Tish James for 250 mil.

-Doug in Sugar Pine

mike from iowa said...

Tim Scott's opposition is likely a magat being used to ensure Scott gets re-elected. We saw this shit in Florida and other places last election.

Anonymous said...

“… Fergus gets sued by Tish James for 250 mil.”

Wingnut media is going to be pumping out industrial-scale quantities of “what about Hunter Biden?” today.

dinthebeast said...

So the 11th circuit has restored the DOJ's access to the goddamn stolen documents under review by the special master, who also isn't having Fergus' bullshit.
Ferg is having a very bad day. Let's hope it to be the first of many.

-Doug in Sugar Pine

PilotX said...

"Tim Scott's opposition is likely a magat being used to ensure Scott gets re-elected. We saw this shit in Florida and other places last election."

This is an ongoing thing in S.C. Take a look at his last opponent. Somebody needs to look into this as that is a winnable seat.

mike from iowa said...

By now, Hunter Biden should be magat's "the sky is falling!"

Anonymous said...

Starbucks shutting down flagship store in New Orleans as negro crime surges | Rush Hour

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKe96uCKGaM&t=1s

Anonymous said...

'City in crisis': McDonald's CEO calls out Chicago's negro crime problem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fb86elpHjo

Anonymous said...

Isn't it funny the elites at Marthas Vinyard called out the National Guard and had all the illegals deported.

Phone calls were made and in 44 hours the compassionate (marxist) scooped them all up and said you can't stay "here".........................

Anonymous said...

Anon: you keep using that word “Marxist”. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Anonymous said...

On May 14, 2022, a mass shooting occurred in Buffalo, New York, United States, at a Tops Friendly Markets supermarket in the East Side neighborhood.

Invaders.  In 1950, Buffalo had a population of 580,000.  The population is now less than half that.

Rochester is depopulating for the same reason.  So are Detroit, St. Louis, and just about every other African-infested city in the USA.

Africans are a plague and a curse.

Anonymous said...

Many were fleeing their home countries seeking asylum.

They were fleeing people just like themselves, because shithole conditions are all they can create.

And they're all they deserve.  Those who cannot build a civilization have no business infesting one.

mike from iowa said...

drumpfuck appointed unqualified Judge that appointed drumpfuck's chosen special masterbator got her ass reamed by three judge (2 drumpf appointees) and rewrote her original fucked up opinion.

https://www.rawstory.com/aileen-cannon-2658324050/

Anonymous said...

Another Russian official has fallen to his death, this time taking a tumble down some stairs.

These Russians! So clumsy! They really should be more careful.

Ex-Putin Ally Plunges to His Death ‘From a Great Height’ at Moscow Aviation Institute

Anonymous said...

Another toddler gunslinger shot his mom dead with one of the family's guns.

Is the toddler the good guy with a gun or the bad guy with a gun in this scenario? Could be a bad guy, but in the toddler's defense, the s/he is only three.

Anonymous said...

"Those who cannot build a civilization have no business infesting one."

You mean people like yourself who live in shitty trailer parks? On this we can agree.

PilotX said...

https://www.npr.org/2021/12/14/1064221027/covid-can-cause-long-term-injuries-to-the-brain-heres-what-scientists-have-learn

uh oh.

mike from iowa said...

This guy is likely a big fan/hero of anymoose the magat troll.

https://www.rawstory.com/suspect-wounded-two-men-killed-a-third-because-they-were-homeless-police/

dinthebeast said...

"They can be treated like human beings IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES while their cases are presented."

No, actually they can't. Claims of asylum have to be made on US soil.

-Doug in Sugar Pine

PilotX said...

"No, actually they can't. Claims of asylum have to be made on US soil."


C'mon Doug. We're not dealing with the best and the brightest. LOL!

mike from iowa said...

https://www.bridgemi.com/guest-commentary/bad-government-caused-detroits-decline-dont-blame-riot-slideshow

Anonymous said...

Small town America is dying and we can’t blame the scary negroes.

https://www.idsnews.com/article/2022/04/opinion-small-town-america-dying-small-communities-at-risk

Anonymous said...

You mean people like yourself who live in shitty trailer parks?

I live in a waterfront house, dude.  The 4 boat hoists are on-shore at the moment.

Bloviating Ignoramus said...

"I'm done saying I'm sorry" - Alex Jones
Fuck your apologies you fat bastard. No one wants your apologies. Just your money.

Richie Rich said...

“I live in a waterfront house, dude. The 4 boat hoists are on-shore at the moment.“

Of course you do, every stupid racist incel anon is always fabulously wealthy and brilliant. I bet you only date supermodels and have a 18” penis. LOL! Because all successful people waste time spewing bullshit on blogs.

Anonymous said...

If Trump’s latest ridiculous interview with Hannity doesn’t break the spell Trump has over his dimwitted followers, nothing will.

In the interview, Trump explicitly made the laughable argument that during his presidency, he somehow could’ve declassified documents IN HIS HEAD. That’s right, presidents can now give orders now without actually giving them. They can just send out telepathic mind rays, and their will shall be done.

And then (lol), he suggested that —who knows? — the FBI might actually have been at his house hunting for Hillary’s emails?

Spoiler alert: No, dude, they weren’t.

dinthebeast said...

OK, two things: First, if we are to assume telepathy to be a brain function, none of those documents are declassified.
And second, if a president can telepathically declassify documents, then a president can also telepathically classify them. I mean an actual sitting president.
In which case, again, all of those documents are still classified, and if he doesn't stop with the stupid bullshit, every sheet of his toilet paper...

-Doug in Sugar Pine

Anonymous said...

“And second, if a president can telepathically declassify documents, then a president can also telepathically classify them.”

Well, and that’s an example of how silly this argument is.

Imagine some wingnut, like, perhaps, Ted Cruz, hands over unclassified documents (say, a budget or something that obviously should be in the public domain) to a right-wing newspaper to publish.

Joe Biden could just declare: “Haha, gotcha, I classified those! Secretly! In my head, with no paperwork! You leaked classified documents to the press, which is a violation of the Espionage Act! Off to federal prison, Ted Cruz!”

While I would enjoy that, because I hate Ted Cruz’s guts, that would clearly be a legal travesty.

mike from iowa said...

I live in a waterfront house, dude. The 4 boat hoists are on-shore at the moment.

If your hoists are dry-dicked, how waterfront can you be. More like beach front

Anonymous said...

https://www.facebook.com/BlackVoicesforTrump20/

Anonymous said...

www.whitevoicesforbiden.com

Anonymous said...

“If your hoists are dry-dicked, how waterfront can you be. More like beach front“

He lives in a trailer park on the Ohio River.

Anonymous said...

He lives in a trailer park on the Ohio River.

The only trailers on the property carry boats and a small quantity of bulk cargo.  One of them attaches to the lawn tractor which mows the lawn.  The car dolly isn't properly a trailer.

The property is more than 2 acres, and I own it free and clear.  It is hundreds of miles from the Ohio river.

Anonymous said...

Ha-ha. Professional slanderer James O’Keefe’s slimy organization has been successfully sued by a left-wing group.

This asshole belongs in jail, but a $120,000 legal judgment is at least a start.

Baby steps.

mike from iowa said...

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/23/us/elijah-mcclain-autopsy-amended-ketamine-toxicity/index.html

Rlijah McClain's death changed fom undetermined to death by ketamine and police force.

23 y/o Black soul accosted by and assaulted for no reason other than he was Black.







PilotX said...

"The property is more than 2 acres, and I own it free and clear. It is hundreds of miles from the Ohio river."

OK, I'll play too. I own a ski cabin in Aspen as well as a chalet in the South of France. I also just bought a space shuttle to carry me back and forth from the space station I just bought. Isn't the internet fun? We can be anyone we want. LOL!

Anonymous said...

The difference being, BusdriverX, that I know I'm telling the truth, while everyone knows you're lying.

mike from iowa said...

Colorado pig arrests young woman for stuff, handcuffs her and places her in the back of squad car sitting on railroad tracks while a train, with horn blaring, bears down on the crossing.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/video-shows-train-hit-colorado-officers-car-suspect-inside

Anonymous said...

Trump declassified EVERYTHING related to "Crossfire Hurricane", the fraudulent Steele dossier and the whole "RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA" hoax THREE YEARS AGO.

https://www.bitchute.com/embed/VycUQDmI1SN5/?feature=oembed&autoplay=1&auto_play=1

The NY Attorney general has a nothingburger.

mike from iowa said...

Once again, fuck your sources, anymoose.

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Anonymous said...

“The difference being, BusdriverX, that I know I'm telling the truth, while everyone knows you're lying.“

What’s not to believe?πŸ˜†

Anonymous said...

“The difference being, BusdriverX, that I know I'm telling the truth, while everyone knows you're lying.“

You know YOU’RE telling the truthπŸ˜†πŸ˜‚ Yeah, all racist anons tell nothing but the truth.

Richie Rich said...

I just bought the Florida Keys and built a landing strip for X's space shuttle. Oh, and also a secret volcanic island like the Bond villains. Trust me, I know I'm telling the truth. LOL!

Anonymous said...

“I know I'm telling the truth“

This has to be the single dumbest statement ever written on the internets. That is a high hurdle.

Anonymous said...

Once again, fuck your sources, anymoose.

BitChute - Questionable - Conservative - Right Bias


Which only proves that YOU DIDN'T WATCH THE VIDEO.  The video is of President Trump in front of a helicopter declaring that he'd declassified EVERYTHING related to the hoax, which could have come to millions of documents.

If covering a news conference is "right bias", all it means is that you cannot understand anything contrary to your Narrative even if it's right in front of your face.  To call that a mental disability is an understatement.

Anonymous said...

"The video is of President Trump in front of a helicopter declaring that he'd declassified EVERYTHING related to the hoax, which could have come to millions of documents."

Huh? Your ramblings are as incoherent as dear leader's. You are proof there is a lot of stupid out there. No wonder you support the dumbest and worst president of all time. How do you not drown in the shower? Oh that's right. LOL!

Anonymous said...

Dumb ass former president thinks he can declassify documents with his mind and dumb ass supporters believe him. LOL!

https://www.politifact.com/article/2022/sep/23/could-donald-trump-declassify-documents-with/