~Paraphrasing Ali Velshi~ The most powerful person in America is not Donald J. Trump, it's you.
These are tough times for progressives and democrats in America. There was a red wave this past week, and everyone in democratic circles are scratching their heads and trying to figure out why. Even the winners seemed a little shell shocked by the scope and magnitude of the outcome.
I'm not, and if you are a student of American history, or if you pay attention to the psyche and mindset of the white majority population in America, you would not be either.
Frist, let's stop with all the talk about white working class and economic angst, and democrats not addressing their concerns. (James Carville, and Bernie Sanders, old white men themselves, will never get it.) If you gave a lot of these white working class voters a million dollars, and in order to keep it they would have to have voted for Harris, your money would have been safe. They still wouldn't have done it. It has nothing to do with economics and everything to do with identity. Kamala's race and gender made it damn near impossible for her to win. Her opponent, at times, was acting like he wanted to lose, and he still beat her by a country mile. Performing fellatio on a mike at a rally, declaring that immigrants are eating cats and dogs, threatening political violence against his enemies, is not a winning message, but it worked for trump because it was never about the message. It was always about the people who are running. Plain and simple.
As Americans we never like to hear this, because we like to think of ourselves as somehow being above bigotry and ignorance. We believe that this experiment in democracy is complete, and that we have created a perfect union. We have not. Take a look around you. Look who we are sending back to Washington. Not only Trump, but all of the slimy loathsome self-serving politicians who thrive in an environment of hate and division. Trump is the face of it, and he made it cool to hate without having to act like we are the haters. We channeled our hate through him. That's who we elected as our next president. A man who has spent his entire political life dividing people, and demonizing those who look different and who he perceives as being less than. This includes not only ordinary citizens, but military service members as well. The people who served in his administration and know him best told us who he is, and we still chose not to believe them. Why? Because deep down most Americans ( I can say most now based on the election results) know that we are no different than he is.
I feel bad for black women who truly thought they had allies with white women. That their solidarity of sisterhood, united in their fight for reproductive freedoms, would be enough to beat the tyrant in waiting at the ballot box. It was not. At the end of the day, whiteness and fear of others comes first. Trump knew this, and he used it to his political advantage.
A few years back a white women who worked for me told me that she might be coming into work a little later for a few days. She told me that she had to renew her parking privileges at a garage that was much closer to our place of work. And until then, she would have to rely on someone else to drop her off. In the meantime, she couldn't park in a garage that was farther away. She just couldn't take the chance of walking a longer distance to work. Center City, Philadelphia (by all accounts the safest part of anywhere in the city), was just too dangerous for her.
I thought about my former co-worker a lot during this election cycle. When those scary dark and ominous trump commercials of young brown men were running over and over, I knew that they would have their intended outcomes. Talking heads on cable television and political pundits were saying that there is no way Americans (especially suburban white women) would embrace Trump's message of fear and division. They were wrong. Harris and her message of joy, hope, and not going back, was never going to work with a majority population, whose fears and prejudices were a much more motivating factor in how they voted.
I will let Elie Mystal's quotes close this post.
"America deserves everything is about to get. We had a chance to stand united against fascism, authoritarianism, racism, and bigotry, but we did not. We had a chance to create a better work for not just ourselves, but our sisters and brothers in at lease some of the communities most vulnerable to unchecked white rule, but we did not. We had a chance to pass down a better safer, and cleaner world to our children, but we did not. Instead, we chose Trump, JD Vance, and a few white South African billionaires who know a thing or two about instituting apartheid...America did this. America, through the process of a free and fair election, demanded this.. And America, as a collective, deserves to get what it wants."
These next four years will be interesting. And I will be hear for it. Hopefully, so will you.
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The most powerful stench in the world is drumpf and magats.
I can’t really agree with this take. Some of the people who flipped to Trump were people who had voted for Biden when Harris was his VP, and Obama before that. These folks are not ALL racists, nor sexists for that matter.
I’m not suggesting that hate didn’t play a big part. Clearly hate is a big piece of Trump’s appeal. I was worried when Biden stepped down (which was necessary, because his polling was terrible) and Kamala Harris ended up being the replacement, because I knew her race and gender would count against her. But the party decided that they couldn’t unite around any other candidate so late in the game, so she was really the only option at that point.
But what needs to be explained in this particular race is not mainly the choices of bigots but those of the NON-bigots who changed sides and pushed Trump over the line. For that explanation, my money is on economic factors. And when I say economic factors, I really mean voter ignorance about economics, blaming Biden and the Democrats for an inflation spike that was caused by a damn virus.
There was a Guardian article that made a related argument. I don’t know if it was true, but it was plausible. The writer suggested that lower-income people liked the expanded unemployment/welfare and housing protections that were extended during COVID and were upset when they were taken away when the pandemic ended and decide to punish Biden (and then Harris). But this is, again, a function of voter ignorance. Trump only agreed to offer these benefits because there was a crisis and never would have otherwise. And Biden and the Democrats are the guys who would have made them permanent; Republicans are the ones who took them away. That is enough to make me pull my hair out. How do so many voters not understand how any of this works?
Regardless of the fact that Trump owes his victory to stupid people who don’t know what the Federal Reserve is, and think the president has a magic lever he can pull to make inflation go away, the bigots are surely going to take Trump’s reelection as a public endorsement of their hate, and a mandate to discriminate.
Black people are getting invitations to return to slavery from white supremacists. The manosphere is filled with sales of T-shirts reading “Your body, my choice!”
You can expect a full-frontal assault on civil liberties, which will likely result in mass rioting. I am trying not to think too much about how ugly things are going to get.
She is incompetent. Voters saw that and acted accordingly. Besides that, the Biden misery index is off the charts. Normal people are struggling to make ends meet.
By the way, there's nothing
"democratic" about the democrat party.
I'll bet at least she knows what tariffs do to US consumers and which part of her ear is the lobe. drumpf is incompetent and senile. as are you anymoosie.
magats also have signs declaring women are property.
Also aren't alleged evanjerkicals not to worship false dogs?
You will? How much are you willing to wager?
We have a propaganda problem. It's not just that a (perhaps) majority of voters don't know how the government works and therefore can't make an informed choice in their own self interest, it's that our information delivery systems have collapsed and have largely been replaced by bad actors with evil intent.
If someone understands their situation, even if it isn't good, they can make choices that will tend toward improving it.
If they are repeatedly and in a sustained fashion barraged with fucking lies about their situation and how it got the way it is, it's damn hard to make hard choices about remedying it's shortcomings.
That is not to let "low information voters" off of the hook: for the most part, they all have access to the same internet that the rest of us have, but the goddamn propaganda is an actual force to be reckoned with. They wouldn't use it if it didn't work, and the fucking shit is everywhere you look.
The US economy is the envy of the post-pandemic world.
The policies of the Biden/Harris administration pulled off an almost unprecedented feat: they kept workers and citizens afloat when the pandemic shuttered huge swaths of the economy, and brought the inflation THAT WAS A WORLDWIDE PHENOMENON back under control without a recession, while keeping unemployment at historic lows.
The soft landing.
So what does the propaganda do? Screams "EGGS COST MORE AND IT'S BIDEN'S FAULT!"
No, you miserable pine cone, eggs cost more for a while because of the bird flu that required the wholesale slaughter of millions and millions of chickens and then because the grocery companies were slow to reduce retail prices after the wholesale prices went back down.
Inflation does not equal prices. Prices do not magically recede back to pre-inflation levels when inflation goes away.
But that means that people are still paying higher prices for things than before the inflation spike, so they are susceptible to the lies that inflation is still high, opening the door for the propagandists.
And that is only the sane, somewhat fact adjacent propaganda. After swallowing whole the barrage of Republican lies (tax cuts pay for themselves, etc.) for decades, "They are eating the dogs!" isn't the leap it otherwise would have been, and we're off into a world where reality has fallen out of fashion.
Well, I hate to break it to the fashionistas of propaganda, but reality does not give one single shit about what you believe.
Which sets up an inevitable collision between events in the real world and the actions the propaganda consumers take to deal with them. (see also: covid, injection of disinfectant).
Reality always wins. How many losers will have their lives ruined or taken from them in their resistance to it remains to be seen, but the effect the propaganda has on the composition of our government is something we need to deal with sooner rather than later. Like that bird flu, which has jumped from birds to cows, pigs and people. It still isn't transmissible between people as far as we know, but I'll bet you that hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin or UV light up your butt won't stop it if it starts to.
-Doug in Sugar Pine
Doug's been reading liberal propaganda again.
A plug nickel against your worthless life. Bet me?
Doug speaks truth to power, but you can't tell because your nummb skull is full oif drumpf lies and propaganda.
“That is not to let ‘low information voters’ off of the hook: for the most part, they all have access to the same internet that the rest of us have, but the goddamn propaganda is an actual force to be reckoned with. They wouldn't use it if it didn't work, and the fucking shit is everywhere you look.”
Yeah, it’s infuriating how many people just seem to vote on nothing but vibes. The real information is out there; you just have to put in a minimum of effort, but clearly a ton of people aren’t. Yes, our legitimate news media are badly damaged. Yes, there are all sorts of wingnut propaganda rags cranking out lies. Yes, social media is a toilet. But the real facts are still knowable.
So, in addition to a degraded information ecosystem, I also think there is a degraded political culture. A willful “not giving a crap” and putting no effort into understanding which party has which policies and how those might affect one’s life. Has it always been this bad?
On top of which, there is the matter of messed-up priorities. Even if you idiotically believe that “mean Democrats make stuff cost more” … is there absolutely nothing else that matters? Is it really okay to just ignore racist and sexist rhetoric and policies (assuming you’re not actively in favor of those things) just to get the damn egg prices down? What about Republicans dismantling democracy? No biggie, as long as there are cheap eggs? (Although, partly this is probably because they see the claims of Republican democracy-hatred as just an empty Democrat talking point, rather than the reality that it is. Which is a function of, once again, willful ignorance.)
This all seems incredibly amoral and short-sighted, at best. I mean, we are not even talking Weimar Germany here, where inflation was in, like, triple digits and people were pushing around wheelbarrows to buy a potato. The US only had 3 years post-COVID of moderately higher inflation than usual. But hey, burn it all down, America is no longer the land of the free … because egg prices.
*wheelbarrows of cash to buy a potato
You want to bet?
Nevermind the cost of wheelbarrows.
Plug nickel? Well, let me think about it? I'll get back with you.
You lied again as you're only thoughts are what dumpf tells you.
Indeed, Doug, you indeed speak truth to the power. I'm still processing the whole thing and still feel sick to my stomach.
Ewe haven't coughed up yer life to cover our first bet, loozer.
One thing that Elon and the Pravda got right. Spanish language speakers, especially the rising tide of evangelical Christian Latinos, were uniquely vulnerable to the lies that the machine was pumping out. They truly did not have access to the print newspapers and their associated online versions. They were inundated by lies, particularly many associated with border crossers. I heard on Radio Latina about lies broadcast to this population over TV and radio that told about child sex trafficking attributed to undocumented residents. This is truth. My source is Maria Hinojosa.
Thank you, Field, for your own original thoughts. We are all trying to hold on to each other in these dark times. Blessings on your frosty pow, Field. (Robert Burns reference, see "Jon Anderson my Jo."
"John Anderson my Jo, John"
By Robert Burns
John Anderson my Jo, John,
When we were first acquent,
Your locks were like the raven,
Your bonnie brow was brent;
But now your brow is beld, John,
Your locks are like the snaw,
but blessings on your frosty pow,
John Anderson, my Jo!
John Anderson my Jo, John,
We clamb the hill thegither,
And monie a cantie day, John,
We've had wi' ane anither;
Now we maun totter down, John,
And hand in hand we'll go,
And sleep thegither at the foot,
John Anderson, my Jo!
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/11/kamala-harris-paid-oprah-1-million-publicly-endorse/
Nope, its marxist/communist democrats
All bullshit
Wolf.....Wolf.....Wolf......
So says the communist....
TRUMP 2024!!
I thought the looney left said he is a mysogynist??
Trump selects Rep. Elise Stefanik to be UN ambassador
Trump in a statement described Stefanik as "incredibly strong, tough and smart."
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-selects-rep-elise-stefanik-ambassador/story?id=115725527
Pure delusion
“I thought the looney left said he is a mysogynist??
Trump selects Rep. Elise Stefanik to be UN ambassador
Trump in a statement described Stefanik as "incredibly strong, tough and smart."
He is. Any women who are willing to work for him are self-hating tools.
Trump is pretty dumb, but he is as least smart enough to know that he has to hire a few token women, “for appearance’s sake.” He’ll also hire a few attractive women, as eye candy.
bald faced lie and Jones is gonna be seeing more defamation suits he will lose and can't pay.
Some good news out of NC. Black Nazi perv lost guv job by14% points to Dem. Lt guv went to a Dem for the first time in 12 years and Dems captured Dept of Ed head.
drumpf picked Tom 'Ho' Man to run ICE. He is the one responsible for taking kids away from families and like other magats he is tossing out multiple threats to perceived enemies..
netanfuckface admits he was the one behind deadly pager attack against Hezbollah civilians.
Enemy combatants.
Completely false
Another example of delusional from the marxist left.
Kamala is also 20+ million in the hole.
Men cannot have babies.
Democrats are like crackheads who can’t control their spending, they sell off their assets for a fraction of the true value to feed their spending addiction.
Green New Deal is a another democrat scam to steal tax payer dollars and line their pockets.
Enemy combatants or not, building booby traps into communications equipment is a war crime.
The eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month (an hour late, sorry):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjiHqEpTkVs
-Doug in Sugar Pine
70% of illegal Israeli bombing casualties in Gaza are women and kids, not enemy combatants, liar.
“Green New Deal is a another democrat scam to steal tax payer dollars and line their pockets.”
Fighting environmental regulations is a Republican scam to fatten fossil fuel shareholder profits, deny science, and being about the extinction of the human species.
Here's to the stuff that Lina Khan managed to get done in between America's fits of fascism.
-Doug in Sugar Pine
Doug, Lina Khan was a major reason I wanted Harris to win--I felt certain she would be kept on. Now I figure she will be among the first to go. A crying shame!
drumpfuck does not want Bidsen t get any judges approved and drumpf wants the sinate to agree to allow him recess appointments of all new judges so no one can see how extremely radical and incompetent the new ones are..talk about fascism.
Trump names Stephen Miller to be secretary of removing brown people — oops, I mean “deputy chief of policy.”
Prediction: We will all get to see footage of shocked Latino-American citizens shouting “But I voted for Trump!” as they are unlawfully deported to random foreign countries by Stephen Miller.
https://www.11alive.com/article/news/crime/judge-denies-motion-exclude-evidence-jose-ibarra-trial-laken-riley/85-c7b5c95e-7b78-4300-b52a-43e255700e76
Delusion
I'll be here too. Damn I'm sick of this shit.
Fergus will not be able to do a lot of the stupid, stupid shit he has been yawping about because there is still a United States Government, the workings of which he is still frighteningly vague on despite four years of "leading" it.
I am a little curious, though, at how his supporters will react to the effects of the things he can and will accomplish.
Tariffs, for example, are within the purview of any sitting president, and he has been consistent in his desire to massively increase them. So just imagine that he doesn't radically increase them like he has been saying, but instead institutes a moderate increase in the tariffs on our largest trading partners out of his misplaced idea that "trade deficits mean you are losing" and some other such horseshit chasing itself around in his addled thing-where-the-brain-should-be. First thing is prices here go up on all of those goods commensurate with the amount of the tariffs because PEOPLE IN BUSINESS DO NOT LOSE MONEY ON TRADE. Then there are the knock-on effects in the economy that price increases always produce, you know, the ones the Biden administration just fought to a standstill after cleaning up the goddamn mess he made of the economy last time. Then will come the retaliatory tariffs imposed by those trading partners. All of which tend to raise prices for US citizens.
Then there's the deportations. Now, mass deportations would destabilize the economy fifteen ways from Sunday, but even the threat of deportations will suppress the amount of undocumented labor available. Just ask Georgia what happens when you crack down on undocumented workers.
Not only will prices on regular items go through the roof, but speaking of roofs, good fucking luck getting yours fixed or replaced without undocumented workers. Better hope for good weather... oh that's right, Fergus has vowed to repeal all of the climate legislation Biden got passed because he thinks that oil company CEO's dicks taste like Belgian chocolate.
So, now, imagine three years from now and the Fed is raising interest rates to try and pull back the wave of double digit inflation that has resulted from the stupid, stupid actions of our stupid, stupid president, resulting in a recession that he won't have the chops to stave off like Biden did. Will his supporters even notice? Hell yes they will, they won't have the option not to. So what I'm curious about is how they will try to blame it on the Democrats.
-Doug in Sugar Pine
Doug, you may have convinced yourself.
Statement of ownership:
Quote of the Day
November 11, 2024 at 8:33 pm EST By Taegan Goddard 21 Comments
“The election campaign is over. To achieve success in the election, Donald Trump relied on certain forces to which he has corresponding obligations. As a responsible person, he will be obliged to fulfill them.”
— Russian presidential aide Nikolay Patrushev, quoted by TASS.
-Doug in Sugar Pine
That is someone else's cool quote Doug.
Fergus wants the senate to adjourn so he can recess appoint his cabinet even though he has the votes in the senate to confirm them. This is because 1) his picks are going to be so odious that he doesn't want them in the news during the hearings, and 2) he doesn't think anyone should be able to tell him what to do, the constitution be damned.
This is exactly how authoritarians act.
-Doug in Sugar Pine
Bluesky is up to 14.5 million users, due to growing hatred of Elon Musk.
Keep the trend going, guys. Twitter/X deserves to die. Bluesky is what Twitter was before Elon ruined it.
"To achieve success in the election, Donald Trump relied on certain forces to which he has corresponding obligations. As a responsible person, he will be obliged to fulfill them." - Putin aide Patrushev
♪♫ You don't own me ♪♫
♪♫ I'm not just one of your many toys ♪♫
♪♫ You don't own me ♪♫
♪♫ Don't say I can't go with other boys ♪♫
♪♫ And don't tell me what to do ♪♫
♪♫ Don't tell me what to say ♪♫
♪♫ And please, when I ride your iron cock ♪♫
♪♫ Don't put me on display ♪♫ - Insane Clown
Thanks Doug.
Examples of TDS:
https://youtube.com/shorts/Y_0iWOqDdBY?si=jzunVMWz9RXeovHE
Trump is great!!
Communism/Socialism do not work
https://youtube.com/shorts/Q1qyDzYSxPg?si=kclm_d7XSWKknRE1
So, 'Ho' Man wants to make a red army of magat state guardsmen under direct control of drumpf, and invade blue states who won't cooperate with illegally deporting immigrant families without due process. Sounds likke a rece for magat induced violence and civil war.
And drumpf thought his campaign was fraught with danger to his fat ass. Might as welll piss off everyone. Unify the country under white scumacysts
btw estimates as high as 88 billion bucks to remove and return 1 million immigrants to their places of origin per year. All those wasted dollars go on the deficit, plus all the economic damage done to workforces and food prices.
All on drumpf's fat numbskull and you magats knew in advance and still voted for the convicted felon, adjudicated rapist, racist, homophobic, mysogynist, who cheated on his wives, doesn't pay taxes or bills, retard.
Liar drumpf claimed he called Putey and told him to deescalate in Ukraine immediately,
Putey says the call never happened and since the alleged call Russia has amassed 50k Russian and NK troops on Uraine's border, blown up major reservoir dam, brought in numerous Russian bombers and released pics of Melanoma drumpf to remind drumpf who his master is. Promise broken. Ukraine war was'nt ended one day after drumpf was elected. What a liar..
SNL was right!!
https://youtube.com/shorts/4jQHPECRkTg?si=98lJQUF8JfNzZBi5
Nonsense
TDS
Trump keeps appointing more and more women to major cabinet posts.....mysogyny!
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/11/trump-taps-south-dakota-gov-kristi-noem-as/
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/11/its-not-just-msnbc-cnns-ratings-also-tank/
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/11/fake-news-inferno-msnbc-viewership-craters-after-trump/
I already voted for the guy, you can stop convincing me.
In a fiery statement during his War Room podcast on Monday, Steve Bannon issued bold statements: not to approve federal judges before President-elect Donald Trump takes office and saying Republicans may get a 7-2 Supreme Court.
Bannon, who served as White House chief strategist in the early months of the first Trump administration, called on Republican senators to take immediate action by blocking any judicial appointments made by President Joe Biden. "
"We ain't going to approve one judge," he insisted. "No federal judges because guess what? CNN and MSNBC and Lawrence Tribe and all of it, we control the Supreme Court."
"And now, since we're going to block all the judges because you waited too long, you had all four years, you had time to do it, but you thought you were going to run the tables on us, you believed your own polling," he continued.
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Deranged Trump-Hating Lefty Murders Entire Family
https://pjmedia.com/catherinesalgado/2024/11/10/deranged-trump-hating-lefty-murders-entire-family-n4934155
Trump is going to appoint Mike Huckabee to be the US ambassador to Israel. For anyone who doesn't know, Huckabee is an evangelical nutjob who believes that the conflict in the Middle East is a pure conflict between good and evil, and Israel are by definition the the good guys they must get their way in order to fulfill some end-times Biblical prophesy.
Here is an article from back in 2008 describing his unconditional love for the state of Israel: Mike Huckabee Hearts Israel
This should give you some idea on where Trump stands on reining in Israel: He absolutely won't. You should have already known this if you paid attention during his first time anyway, but Huckabee's appointment should eliminate any residual doubt.
So if you were one of the Muslims or lefties who refused to support Kamala Harris because you thought this would somehow help Palestinian or Lebanese civilians, congrats. Please accept your honorary dunce cap. You are an epic dumbass.
That sounds islamophobic. Hater!
No, you miserable pine cone, we still have the majority in the senate and the presidency, so we will confirm the shit out of everyone we can just like you fuckers did when you lost last time.
-Doug in Sugar Pine
Fergus is gonna pull us out of the Paris climate accords, but we have already breached the 1.5 degree limit stipulated in the accords, so we need a new plan anyway. Whatever that plan is will be four years closer to total oblivion before it even gets negotiated. Back in 2000, we had a chance to maybe avoid the worst of it, and we installed two oilmen in the white house instead. Now it's too late to avoid the worst of it and we have done far worse.
-Doug in Sugar Pine
The auctioneers are in the Infowars building tagging and bagging items for sale. Next up? Rudy.
-Doug in Sugar Pine
Soon to be overturned by our Christopathic supreme court?
A new Louisiana requirement that the Ten Commandments be displayed in every public classroom by Jan. 1 was temporarily blocked Tuesday by a federal judge who said the law is "unconstitutional on its face."
-Doug in Sugar Pine
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drumpf dick sucker
magats may get a 13-6 Lib majority on the Scotus.
Gallego wins cursedin enema;s Arizona senate seat making Corny Flake at least a 3 time loozer.
“That sounds islamophobic. Hater!”
Nope, just holding Muslims accountable to the same standards I do everyone else.
I mostly agree with those Muslims that the US shouldn’t be providing arms to Israel if they’re going to use them to commit war crimes. But that option wasn’t on the ballot as neither party was offering it, so that shouldn’t have been the criteria for how you voted.
Also, Trump is an ACTUAL Islamophobe who put in place a Muslim immigration ban last time he was president, so if you helped him get back in last Tuesday, you were a turkey foolishly voting for Thanksgiving.
He cheated. Seriously.
Enjoy it while you can, fucker:
Judge Declines to Delay Steve Bannon’s Trial
November 12, 2024 at 4:50 pm EST By Taegan Goddard 20 Comments
“A New York judge on Tuesday declined to immediately postpone Steve Bannon’s Dec. 9 trial on charges that he defrauded supporters of President-elect Donald Trump who donated to an online campaign to fund a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border,” ABC News reports.
-Doug in Sugar Pine
Ya think?
Pence Opposes Pardons for Capitol Rioters
November 12, 2024 at 4:06 pm EST By Taegan Goddard 51 Comments
Former Vice President Mike Pence made clear he opposes President-elect Donald Trump’s plan to pardon January 6 rioters – especially those who attacked police, Mediaite reports.
Said Pence: “I don’t think the president should pardon anyone who assaulted a police officer at the Capitol on Jan. 6.”
Asked whether Trump will bust through the guardrails this time, he responded: “The American people are just not gonna have it.”
*Sorry, Pencie, but they just voted for it. You only don't support it because it was you they were chanting about hanging.*
-Doug in Sugar Pine
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