This story coming out of Haiti these past few days is troubling. And it has nothing to do with the earthquake. At least not directly. The story I am talking about is the one about the A-merry-cans from potato country being accused of human trafficking.
It's troubling because I initially felt that if these people were really trying to help these poor children and got caught up in something that they had no control over, it would be unfair to them. No one thinks it's cool to punish good people for a mistake.
This is how I started out feeling. But then I started reading more about the story and I learned the following:
" PORT-AU-PRINCE - The leader of a group of American missionaries charged Thursday with kidnapping for trying to take 33 children out of earthquake-ravaged Haiti faces legal troubles in her home state of Idaho as well.
Laura Silsby, 40, is the subject of several lawsuits accusing her and her Boise-based company, PersonalShopper.com, of failing to pay her employees. She also has a history of failing to pay debts, and the $358,000 house at which she founded her nonprofit religious group, New Life Children's Refuge, was foreclosed upon in December, according to a report in her hometown newspaper, the Idaho Statesman.
The Boise newspaper said Silsby has been named in at least eight civil lawsuits and 14 unpaid wage claims. "
That's Ms. Silsby looking like she is in a line dance with the Haitian policeman. Now I am thinking that the Haitian authorities might have had their ducks in a row after all. Apparently this is a real problem (child trafficking) and it has the Haitian authorities and world relief agencies concerned. An earthquake and subsequent total devastation of a country should not be an excuse to break its laws. Just as the looting of property and lawlessness should not be tolerated, neither should the looting of the countries most precious resource; its children. If Ms. Silsby and company were trying to pull a fast one, shame on them. Trying to profit from tragedy is never cool.
"On Thursday, she and nine other Americans appeared in a Haitian court, following their arrest on Jan. 29 for allegedly trying to cross into the Dominican Republic with a busload of Haitian children they said were orphaned by the quake. A prosecutor forwarded their case to a judge to determine their fate.
Silsby said at the hearing: "We simply wanted to help the children. We petition the court not only for our freedom but also for our ability to continue to help."'
Ms. Silsby, I sure hope you weren't trying to help the children by selling them to the highest bidder. [Story] Let's see now, $10,000 per kid, and there were 33 of them, that's not a bad pay day. I wonder if they would have donated the money to any of the Haitian relief funds?
173 comments:
first!
Put their asses UNDER the jailhouse!!!!
It bothers me the way people have been reacting to these children since the earthquake hit. Everyday on the news they made it a point to show some new family adopting these kids. I'm all for children being taken into a loving home with a family with good intentions. But they were just shipping some of these babies anywhere. It's no wonder that these weirdos thought that they could just take some. I remember seeing one story on cnn where a husband and wife adopted 2 Haitian children. They took them around the rest of the family and friends and one of the women was like, "Oh, I want one." That rubbed me the wrong way. These are human beings not pets.
FYI, I'm still Fly and Sexy, LOL!!
And I'm willing to bet that most White Americans see this situation entirely different than most Blacks!!!
If they really wanted to help the children have a better future then they would help rebuild the orphanages, schools, and other infrastructure type things.
If they were truly concerned about the children's welfare, then they would go through proper channels (which they are familiar with) in order to arrange appropriate adoptions.
Maybe they had good intentions but they certainly didn't exhibit good sense.
This is the most fuckwitted thing you have posted since I started reading your blog a week ago.
You haven't one single shred of suggestion by anyone in a position to know that this woman wanted to sell these children. But that didn't stop you from slanting your headline and your closing "hope" that way.
Bill O'Reilly & Rush Limbaugh should tremble at your name.
"If they really wanted to help the children have a better future then they would help rebuild the orphanages, schools, and other infrastructure type things.
If they were truly concerned about the children's welfare, then they would go through proper channels (which they are familiar with) in order to arrange appropriate adoptions.
Maybe they had good intentions but they certainly didn't exhibit good sense."
Co-sign 110%
FLY, is that you? :)
I don't even feel like getting into a long post. I've stated similar thoughts on a previous thread regarding these issues.
I honestly believe Ms. Silsby and others. were planning to sell these poor children for a profit. I hope they hit her hard, and I hope she serves time in a future Haitian prison for many-many long years. Even if she meant well, I hope they make an example out of her either way. These children are not possessions, nor little cute fury animals you can take without considering they might still have human-being parents alive somewhere.
Furthermore, I have a painful feeling that majority of these people wanting to adopt black Haitian 'orphans' are doing so to either gain social novelty attention, sexual child abuse access, or to obtain domestic servants. I know many of these children need a loving home regardless of race, but I have a bad feeling about this. Brace yourselves, we will be hearing a lot of sad stories from these poor children in years to come. There must be some other way.
field negro said..
FLY, is that you? :)
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Yes Filed, and like I said before, I'm STILL fly, LOL!!!
Brother, it's IDAHO, There are more Aryan Nation members there than there are in the prison system. NO GOOD can come from a trip there.
Hey Field I saw an interview with two of the parents who said that they let their children go with a minister they trusted who said the Idaho folks were going to take the children to the Dominican Republic to educate them. One of the mothers asked the reporter if they wouldn't jump at the chance to improve their childrens lot.
And in answer to the nitwit that tried to jump on you Field there is plenty evidence that the Idaho group intended to put these children up for adoption in the Dominican Republic. And the adoptions were going to be done at a price.
So this is as bad as folks think it is. These folks just got caught.
I don't know that black and white folks see this diffently I mean it is what it is. I shutter to think if someone would think that its okay to take someones kids under false pretenses and then attempt to give them to someone else at a price.
Yes toroazul, but those Broncos sure can rock on that blue carpet.:)
OK Fly,I feel you.
"Furthermore, I have a painful feeling that majority of these people wanting to adopt black Haitian 'orphans' are doing so to either gain social novelty attention, sexual child abuse access, or to obtain domestic servants. I know many of these children need a loving home regardless of race, but I have a bad feeling about this. Brace yourselves, we will be hearing a lot of sad stories from these poor children in years to come. There must be some other way."
Is it me or does it just seem like here in A-merry-ca we have an aversion to adopting A-merry-can children? China. Russia. Haiti. Anywhere but here.
Yes, I'm glad the Haiti Gov't caught them and exposed them for who they are kidnappers. Now watch how the American press is going to spin this story now.
"The media's the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power. Because they control the minds of the masses." Malcolm X
Mell. thanks for the 411 on this story. I think am entitled to my opinion based on the FACTS in front of me. And since we are not in a court of law and I am not a journalist, I can pretty much believe whatever the hell I want.
Barking Unicorn, here is hoping that you last another week. But if this post pissed you off, I am guessing that you wont.
MeandMyMicroscope said...
And I'm willing to bet that most White Americans see this situation entirely different than most Blacks!!!
explain what you mean by that.
I found this story deeply disturbing. Even parents and legal guardians are required to have a birth certificate or passport when traveling with a child.
Let's say a Haitian parent says I can't afford to keep my child.....only a thief would seperate a kids from his family. No papers. No documents.
It would be easier to get them food and shelter for the family and a whole lot cheaper.
These folks knew exactly what they were doing and thought the Haitian govt too dumb to figure it out.
Cause as you know....white people are smarter than everyone else on the planet....or so they think.
"We are innocent." Bull shit!
Valerie
field negro said...
Is it me or does it just seem like here in A-merry-ca we have an aversion to adopting A-merry-can children? China. Russia. Haiti. Anywhere but here.
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I've heard a couple explanations for this. Black kids are too ghetto, too materialistic (I heard this was Oprah's excuse), blah, blah, blah.
Americans Blacks just can't get a break!!!
"MeandMyMicroscope said...
And I'm willing to bet that most White Americans see this situation entirely different than most Blacks!!!"
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Mh1TZAM-AWU/S2e5jiWgF_I/AAAAAAAACuY/puBACIcw7Tc/s1600/repjesushaiti.png
I was born in Pocatello, Idaho and grew up there until I was 9. That part of Idaho was an awesome place to grow up, back in the late 60's, early 70's. "That 70's Show" wasn't that far off from what it seemed to be. We were poor, but we were at peace. We had everything we needed in large part with thanks to the state and I did grow up in a religion that was as diverse as the population of Idaho could provide. All that to say, I don't personally know if all of it has turned into this insidious place that gets into the news. Could be. I hope not.
I do know that when we moved to Alabama in '74, the atmosphere there was immensely more repressive. Being poor there was pure D. HELL. It might be that being poor in '74 was way worse than being poor in '73 or before, but really it was more than that.
Anyway, I don't think it impossible that the people who are taking over Idaho are from Alabama.
Some have suggested it might just be Silsby that tried to pull this off, but I doubt she could do it without them knowing what she was up to. Especially that many children? It would have to be a quick thing with just one child much less 33. She would need strict discipline in her group to try that, I would think.
field negro said...
OK Fly,I feel you.
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Please excuse the typo Field, not trying to co-sign with CF on the name thing!!!!
Farman said...
I do know that when we moved to Alabama in '74, the atmosphere there was immensely more repressive. Being poor there was pure D. HELL.
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As I understand it, Bama' is pure hell STILL for anyone poor and/or Black.
I have an question? How did Ms. Silsby and others get there and what type of resources is backing this whole undercover modern day slave trading? What were plan these poor children?
Follow the trail to the money and you find the guilty ones.
Are there any African-American Churches or Missionaries doing work in Haiti?
mell said -- I don't know that black and white folks see this diffently I mean it is what it is. I shutter to think if someone would think that its okay to take someones kids under false pretenses and then attempt to give them to someone else at a price."
thank you for knowing that "most" or i shudder to think "all" white people are just as appalled at this as everyone else.
i'm still waiting for sybil--i mean fly/scientist/micro to explain her statement, but i'm betting she won't.
@Farman, I almost forgot to comment on the site you referenced. Yep, that's pretty much the kinda thing I expected to see.
Anonymous 10:48:
"These folks knew exactly what they were doing and thought the Haitian govt too dumb to figure it out."
"We are innocent." Bull shit!"
You summed up pretty much what they were thinking and doing to a tee and I totally agree with you.
Back during slavery days they used buy infants and children to raise them up to be slaves or sex-slaves while they were young. Children were easier to handle and break in than adults. Some slaveowners would only buy children. They'd beat them with anything they could put their hands on and maimed some of them in the process. Sometimes they killed them in the process. The women slaveowners were worser and more brutal.
People fail to realize that slavery wasn't that long ago in our history. In fact, there were still a lot of ex-slaves living in the late 1950s. Black folks who post on here that were born in the late 1920s, 1930s, 1940s, and even the 50s probably knew some of their relatives who were ex-slaves.
@field -- I think the fact that their home church hasn't uttered a peep speaks volumes. I don't think these people are real missionaries. Instead, I think they're evil people who thought they could take advantage of a terrible situation without getting caught and I think their motives may be much worse than many suppose. I say that for many reasons but among them is the fact that real baptist groups and other denominations have run real orphanages in Haiti for many years. They're a lot of things but fly by night isn't one of them. I remember reading about a Church in Memphis whose orphanage was destroyed and another elsewhere who lost a child who was in the final stages of adoption that had taken years to complete.
No, I think these folks saw that the government of Haiti as well as the State Dept. had agreed to expedite adoptions that were already in works because of the humanitarian situation and thought they'd be able to steal these children based on lies, the reputations of real charities, and likely false paperwork to get them out of DR. I fear where these children might've been bound and I don't necessarily think it was A-merry-ca which has fairly strict policies about having all the right paperwork.
To me, these people are nothing but thieves. And my fear is that they may be much worse than just adoption scammers.
--j
@granny -- I gotta ask how women slaveowners were worse when women couldn't own property? I'm not saying you're wrong but that seems to me like a spiteful/scorned woman narrative that only serves men of all colors. (cause women are the really evil ones doncha know -- hell hath no fury like a british playwright and man's willingness to believe it).
--j
J
The women had their own personal slaves too. Slaves were left to them in wills, when their husbands or fathers died, and they brought them too.
They even had court cases where women went to court to keep their husbands from selling their slaves.
BTW, J:
I am not a scorned or spiteful woman...LOL! My experience with the opposite sex was good.
I can't speak for all "white" folks, but to me this sounds like ugly ways, plain and simple.
Thanks for the update on this, field. I was wondering about the rest of the story.
I am wondering if all those adoptions were legit now? And how would they know if the buildings and papers were under rubble? I don't think that they should have let any of those children leave until things settled down more than they have. Most of those children were toddlers and not older kids.
@granny -- I've never once thought you were. :) Truth is, I think very highly of you. I was just trying to understand your line of thinking on that. I hope that much was clear but if not mea culpa!
It's always been my understanding that even dowry slaves and inherited slaves, while kept separate in case of divorce, were still controlled by husbands/closest male relatives when it came right down to it. Am I mistaken on that? IOW, at best a woman could do as much as the men in her life allowed.
No doubt women can be cruel but IMO female power has almost always been somewhat checked whenever push comes to shove. Sort of like an overseer, they can only get away with what the master condones if that makes sense.
--j
It's a strange story. It's possible she was bamboozling her own followers. All I know is that the group I support, The United Methodist Committee On Relief, doesn't do this kind of thing. They run medical clinics & orphanages in Haiti, they were there before the quake & they'll be there when we're sending money for floods in Bangladesh. & they don't push religious indoctrination, which I can almost guarantee was near the top of the New Life Children's Refuge agenda.
"I honestly believe Ms. Silsby and others. were planning to sell these poor children for a profit. I hope they hit her hard, and I hope she serves time in a future Haitian prison for many-many long years."
I agree. That woman is as crooked as a three dollar bill. Her background of dishonesty and debts says a lot about her character. No Christian with good intentions would try to circumvent the government. But if you were trying to make a few million dollars from selling Haitian kids to pay off your overwhelming debts, then maybe you would.
Throw the book at her sinful ass.
FOG
Filled Negro:
As I read your propaganda I am reminded that YOU ARE A DEFENSE ATTORNEY.
You spend your day DEFENDING people who have been SLANDERED by the very same salacious allegation that YOU HAVE strung together about these people.
Filled Negro - just imagine if a CREDIT REPORT was admissible evidence for every petty drug crime that you and Jody defended against in Philly? YOU would one day be listened in the US Supreme Court docket as you doggedly FOUGHT AGAINST the attempted linkage of such irrelevant points - THE SAME VIOLATION THAT YOU JUST COMMITTED AGAINST THEM.
I listed a series of questions that must be answered before I render my final opinion:
1) How much effort did these people try to find the parents before taking the kids?
2) They claim that some of the parents willingly gave up their kids to find a better life. Did these people document the transaction using a digital camera?
3) Do these people have a history of going into places and "kidnapping" children?
4) Can they produce a pre-existing plan that details what they were planning to do once they reached the DR?
These are the line of questioning that a person who is not a part of the "New All White Jury" would want to hear before rendering judgment upon these people's intentions.
My thoughts didn't go to human trafficking - I doubt their intention was to actually sell children. No, my thoughts went to "oh, those poor, ignorant, heathen black children. Let's go SAVE them by putting them with nice, white, CHRISTIAN families where they can learn conservative values and hate themselves for Jesus."
Actually, now that I think of it, I'm not sure which is worse...
Bob and an anon. poster above made me think of something: There are a lot of Christian groups (The Methodist, SDA, and Baptist comes to mind) doing great work in places like Haiti. So I am not here to knock any of those groups. We are talking about individuals here who might have (notice I said might [un]constructive one)gone off the reservation.
[un]constructive one, if only you were so so willing to mount a defense of your own people I think folks would respect you a whole lot more. I can guarantee you that if this was a church group from inner city Detroit,Philly, Baltimore,Newark, or one of the many other cities you like to bash, you would have been taken the opposite position.
You are an interesting cat.
Mrs. Chili, I am soooooo feeling that comment. :)
CF, i have to say i usually just scan your rants.
but you're dead wrong on this story; field is simply presenting the facts--not ALL of them because of space--but the salient ones to whet your interest.
do your own research. i thought you were a pretty smart guy, but you should know that slander is verbal and libel is written...ie, blogging would be libelous, but not there and truth is a defense. fair comment and public figures and all that...
fact is the answers to many of your questions are already known--i heard an interview with the pastor of this woman's church on NPR who said, in fact, they had no paperwork and that they were asked by an orphanage in the DR to help move the kids. he said he had known her only a year and she did not actually own or run an adoption agency or orphanage. yes, these are all claims. nothing more so far.
fact is, there's not been any evidence yet that adoptions were ever the motive. this woman has a reputation as a bad business owner NOT a human trafficker. she had rented a bunch of hotel rooms to put the kids....i don't know how she got each kid.
my guess, from reading the whole story linked her and other places, is that she was going on some kind of person mission as a "savior" to burnish her reputation and avoid her feb 22 trial on some of the shady business crap she pulled as president of personalshopper.com. did you bother to read about that stuff?
maybe is a human trafficker, maybe not.
and field's primary line of work is NOT as a defense attorney but as a special master for the philly family court system deciding child custody and related issues.
so give me a break. and another non-sensical thing about your attack--your contention might have some merit if he was a PROSECUTOR, not a defense attorney, eh? he sees only criminals as a defense attorney, no, the analogy would be he'd see only innocent people.
UnConn... what is NOT in dispute is they attempted to take these kids out of Haiti into the DR without papers, birth cetrificates, or permission. As we have all heard, there have been many stories of children being adopted out of Haiti in the last month. All of those adoptions had been in the works and the reason they were successful was because ALL of the people involved had documentation and permission.
These people, on the other hand, got caught and are pleading "ignorant do-gooder." Given the global very real problem of child trafficking, the Haitian government is doing the right thing in arresting them. If they indeed had paperwork, and all of the other questions you asked are answered in a way that proves their innocence, then they will be just fine. But, frankly, the background information that Field provided on their other legal problems certainly is alarming. And, every day the history of a person charged with a crime is repeated in courts... at the bail hearing and in negotiating pleas... even for small possession cases.
. I think am entitled to my opinion based on the FACTS in front of me. And since we are not in a court of law and I am not a journalist, I can pretty much believe whatever the hell I want.
You are, but you continue to look stupid with only a portion of the stories you blog about.
Jesus Maria, Get fields dick out of your mouth and stop defending him. adults defend themselves you stupid cunt.
cf is so much smarter than fn and you put together. and totally makes good sense with his statement fn does this kind of thing cannot see the forest for the trees...if it were black missionaries, a different story would be told by fn and he would defend them.
what is really sick is your twisted defense. it's almost like you are part of a fn cult or something...
fly is so right about maria, that is why I like fly (or ss) she calls maria out on her ignorance...where is fly, i miss my girl.
[quote]I doubt their intention was to actually sell children. No, my thoughts went to "oh, those poor, ignorant, heathen black children. Let's go SAVE them by putting them with nice, white, CHRISTIAN families where they can learn conservative values and hate themselves for Jesus."[/quote]
Mrs Chili:
Can you document for us all of the "WHITE CHRISTIAN CONSERVATIVES" that are present in the DOMINICAN REPUBLIC?
Jody, Filled Negro, others - as much as you all proclaim the MORAL HIGH GROUND when it comes to BIGOTRY and IDEOLOGICALLY FILLED HATRED - you prove constantly that you have learned well from your ideological enemies.
I have a video of AMERICAN'S seeking to expedite the adoption process of Haitians children upon seeing this crisis.
You get no argument from me that THESE OTHER PEOPLE followed the adoption process - unlike this group from Idaho in question.
I have no problem with THE LAW being enforced.
I HAVE A PROBLEM with the BIGOTED assumptions that many of you all have about their agenda. It seems that their Christianity has an influence upon you.
I assure you that if this was a group of Black American secularists who felt that they needed to move these kids away from the scheming hands of the US government many of you would be arguing 180 degrees opposite.
[quote]These people, on the other hand, got caught and are pleading "ignorant do-gooder." Given the global very real problem of child trafficking, the Haitian government is doing the right thing in arresting them[/quote]
My friend Jody - I have no problem with your statement. They were in technical violation of the law. Regardless of the rampage they STILL should have respected Haitian law.
I JUST HOPE that when we return back to PHILLY that you are able to extend your dispassionate adherence to THE LAW upon the question of the guilt of the Street Pirates. You seem to always want to "extend the police tape" which defines the crime scene upon all of America, indicting this nation as such.
to the anons at 6:58 and 7 am:
i always love it when people resort to personal attacks. just shows they can't argue the facts.
UnConn said:
I HAVE A PROBLEM with the BIGOTED assumptions that many of you all have about their agenda. It seems that their Christianity has an influence upon you.
The hypocrisy of this statement makes my head hurt. UnConn... their religion has Nothing to do with it. The fact that they broke the law, (not in dispute) that they were so brazen about it, and the fact that it was vulnerable children "influences" me..
Maria,
it has nothing to do with facts, it has everything to do with you idiocy.
JUST HOPE that when we return back to PHILLY that you are able to extend your dispassionate adherence to THE LAW upon the question of the guilt of the Street Pirates. You seem to always want to "extend the police tape" which defines the crime scene upon all of America, indicting this nation as such.
This hypocracy is quite apparent. Thank you for calling folks out on this.
LOL!
i'm waiting for CF to respond to what i wrote, and for fly to address her racist comment about how white people wouldn't be upset by this situation.
i'm very patient, in fact, i'm still waiting for her to answer the question of whether roe v. wade should be overturned.
I hope the Haitian authorities are as hard on Haitians who enslave little children as "restavecs" as they are on the foreigners.
maria said...
MeandMyMicroscope said...
And I'm willing to bet that most White Americans see this situation entirely different than most Blacks!!!
explain what you mean by that.
They mean that white Americans will think its messed up because all the missionaries wanted to do was help these poor Haitian children. The black folks see it for what it is, Human trafficking. From that question you must be white or an extremely uninformed black person.
It seems they did have a 'detailed' plan after all (a .pdf file link in the link below), and it included asking God to pave the way for their work (after all, they didn't plan on going about it through any human authority):
"Prayer Requests
• For discernment of God’s will and direction throughout this trip and for Him to prepare
the way before us
• For God to continue to grant favor with the Dominican Government in allowing us to
bring as many orphans as we can into the DR"
This story goes into pretty good specifics of what happened:
http://chattahbox.com/us/2010/02/01/idaho-baptist-adoption-suspects-planned-to-gather-100-haitian-orphans-cross-border/#more-14765
I do wonder how much these people listen to Pat Robertson and his ilk.
FN
"[un]constructive one, if only you were so so willing to mount a defense of your own people I think folks would respect you a whole lot more. I can guarantee you that if this was a church group from inner city Detroit,Philly, Baltimore,Newark, or one of the many other cities you like to bash, you would have been taken the opposite position."
Bravo Field!
You sooooo nailed CF and his inconsistency.
He didn't even attempt a rebuttal!
You are an interesting cat.
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GrannyStandingforTruth said...
The women slaveowners were worser and more brutal.
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I could write a book and just how malicious many white women are. And I guess the fact that I'm dealing with a royal bitch on my job makes this statement especially poignant.
I dated a WM once who told me that he felt WM are to blame for why their women are so "out of control".
Yeah, an angry WM ain't got $hit on an angry WW!!!
white people see it EXACTLY the same way, and to say otherwise is flat out racist. these people were not "missionaries."
MeandMyMicroscope said...
ttc said...
fly is so right about maria, that is why I like fly (or ss) she calls maria out on her ignorance...where is fly, i miss my girl
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I'm still in the Hizouse!!! I decided to change my username to something I can use when I turn 50, though I'm sure I'll still be sexy!!!!
white people see it EXACTLY the same way, and to say otherwise is flat out racist. these people were not "missionaries.
and you speak for all white folks now maria?
Maria, since you are waiting on Fly, hopefully she will show up and beat the stupid out of you.
"I could write a book and just how malicious many white women are."
Where do redbones fit in this?
"I decided to change my username to something I can use when I turn 50, though I'm sure I'll still be sexy!!!!"
Nah.
I was gonna say something but I'll leave this one alone.
There you are. I didn't notice the new name. Glad you are here. M4 is what I will call you cause your new one is way too long for me to type out.
uptownsteve said...
Where do redbones fit in this?
Nah.
I was gonna say something but I'll leave this one alone..
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Awwww poor pookey, I guess a "redbone" DID break your heart back in the day??? Well I'm sure you had a good time paying them all back before you married your mahogany queen, LOL!!
And you of all people, should leave anything about age alone since your a$$ will likely be snacking on viagra like M&M's in a few years!
Now I thought about changing your name to downtownsteve but you impress me as one of those selfish brotha's the sista's always talk about, ROTFLMBAO!!!
Anonymous said...
Maria, since you are waiting on Fly, hopefully she will show up and beat the stupid out of you.
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This would be an utterly impossible thing for me or anyone else to do, LOL!!!
MeandMyMicroscope
"Awwww poor pookey, I guess a "redbone" DID break your heart back in the day??? Well I'm sure you had a good time paying them all back before you married your mahogany queen,"
Make up your mind Fly.
Was I shi-lacking redbones or white girls before I got married?
Are you writing my biography?
"And you of all people, should leave anything about age alone since your a$$ will likely be snacking on viagra like M&M's in a few years!"
I'll have you know that I'm 48 and have been eating Levitra like Now and Laters for 2 years!
The Dominican Republic is the child prostitution capital of the Western Hemisphere. Many of the children forced into sex slavery come from Haiti.
Turns out, at least 20 of the Children in the group "rescued" had living parents.
This one is beginning to stink.
BTX3, i agree. this this bullshyt stinks from Haiti to Canada. I believe they may get some considerable time. Too bad the leader roped in a few innocent church members who were trying to do community service. She has now destroyed many lives along with hers. Sad.
btx3
yup.
Haiti has some of the strictest foreign adoption laws in the hemisphere for a reason, they don't want to see their culture die as their children disappear to the US and become non-Haitian. This is a wise policy - ask an American Indian how adopting out worked against our communities.
You don't get to just go into a community and steal children, not even in the name of charity.
I hope she rots in Haitian prison, I really do.
FN don't know if you have heard the latest but apparently the group leader, Silsby, was told by a Dominican official she would be arrested if she tried to take children out of Haiti without proper documentation. She did it anyway.
Also she claimed the children could be adopted even though at least two-thirds of the children are not orphans.
The group has been formally charged. Maybe the other nine didn't know what was going on but Silsby did.
There are a bunch of religious charities on the ground helping. If they wanted to help do "God's work", there were/are plenty of opportunities.
Is this group even affiliated with the official Baptist Church? The whole thing is shady.
maria, are you retarded?
uptownsteve said...
Make up your mind Fly.
Was I shi-lacking redbones or white girls before I got married?
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BOTH!! You see I get it 'cause I happen to love the chocolate brotha's myself.
As for your Levitra, go 'head wit yo bad self, I ain't hatin' on Mrs.UTS!! Work it, just make sure to keep your blood pressure in check because many of the drugs used to treat blood pressure are contraindicated for use with drugs that impotence.
Slavery still exists today and Haiti is a hotspot for it. There are many children here in the U.S. that have been brought in with false documentation by an "aunt" or "uncle" who are forced to work as unpaid domestic servants.
Field, you are right that blacks and whites see this differently. This black sees black children being kidnapped. I think that some of these "church people" think they are doing the right thing. Others see "perfectly serviceable little negroes going to waste.
Ms. Silsby has nothing to worry about because America is the ruler of the Western Hemisphere and will not let a country like Haiti imprison a white Christian American.
I think Haiti knows that also. They are just going through the legal motions, and then they will let her go...don't want to end up in a war with US like Panama.
CF, I can tell that you are a good Christian. Don't let Field discourage you. Pray for him.
FOG
FOG
I have adopted two children, one born in Detroit and another born in Addis Ababa.
My first thought when I saw orphanages crumble and kids left without parents is how I would consider adopting a Haitian child too. I see my kids in their faces. Then I put my emotions aside and come to reality.
These kids have rights as do their biological parents. Some kids won’t be orphans, but may just be separated from their parents. If adopted without properly documenting and checking out each history, both parent and child may grow old thinking each other is dead.
The last thing an adoptive parent wants to think is that their child had in some way come to them improperly.
Before the quake, it was a slow process to adopt from Haiti. I hear that it was required that each adoption be signed by the Prime Minister himself. Recent airlifts of kids to Pennsylvania were to help kids whose adoptions were previously finalized or nearly so. I know of one family who had been waiting three years to finish the paperwork to adopt a child. The earthquake triggered a change in Haitian rules that previously required that adoptive parents be married for 10 years before adopting. They dropped it a few years to expedite some adoptions, but the Haitian government did not otherwise change the adoption laws or rights of that child.
It is important that these children be protected. It may be necissary to care for orphans on the ground while proper proceedures are created to find them suitable parents, whether in Haiti or elsewhere.
I just hope that they can receive love in the meantime to avoid any additonal trauma.
This is my first visit to your blog. I will return.
[quote]Field there is plenty evidence that the Idaho group intended to put these children up for adoption in the Dominican Republic. And the adoptions were going to be done at a price.[/quote]
Mellaneous:
Can we apply LOGIC to your claims?
IF these Black Haitian kids are so VALUABLE and thus were going to fetch cash for these WHITE Americans -........WHY didn't Dominican Republic have a little gate in its border fence BEFORE the earthquake to allow CHILDREN to be sent through to their side of the island BEFORE this calamity?
Some of you all are so much like your long time adversaries its not even funny.
Now time to find what Maria is talking about
[quote]-i heard an interview with the pastor of this woman's church on NPR who said, in fact, they had no paperwork and that they were asked by an orphanage in the DR to help move the kids. he said he had known her only a year and she did not actually own or run an adoption agency or orphanage. yes, these are all claims. nothing more so far.
fact is, there's not been any evidence yet that adoptions were ever the motive. this woman has a reputation as a bad business owner NOT a human trafficker. she had rented a bunch of hotel rooms to put the kids....i don't know how she got each kid.[/quote]
My friend maria:
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THESE PEOPLE GOING TO TRIAL!!!
They broke the law.
I hope that the trial works to establish MOTIVATION/INTENT and then renders a judgment based on the MALICIOUSNESS of the intent.
Again - I need to find the news story of American parents who were in the middle of adoptions of Haitian who were struggling to expedite their adoption process of some other kids in the wake of the Earthquake.
All of these kids were residents of an orphanage.
In the end these people should have OBEYED THE LAW.
I am only distressed at the outright HATRED that some people have. These are the very people who call others HATERS.
CF, if many of them it seems had living parents, why were they in an orphanage? i am not so sure they were.
in any case, we agree--the truth should out a trial. but at the moment haiti has no functioning govt. so they might be stewing in prison for a while, unless the u.s. intervenes to get them out. so far i think they official position is they will not get involved and that the law must be followed.
china has a terrible problem with this as well. this is a heart-breaking documentary i saw about six months ago that shows boys are often the target and the govt. does nothing at all to help the parents whose children who are missing.
http://www.truevisiontv.com/china/index.htm
also, CF, i hope you read my whole comment not just what you excerpted.
you were jumping on field for even posting this story at all.
CF said:
Again - I need to find the news story of American parents who were in the middle of adoptions of Haitian who were struggling to expedite their adoption process of some other kids in the wake of the Earthquake.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/20/world/americas/20orphans.html?scp=13&sq=haitian%20adoption&st=cse
The smiling face of evil itself.
We are living in the last days. It saddens me to witness the things taking place. Yes, we all do wrong, but some tings are just sickening and pure evil.
btx3, you said some things, that reminded me of something I was trying to hold back. The probability of anything "good" coming out of black children being shipped to D.R. (or shipped to most other places for that matter) would be fiercely low. This also applies to many other children being "rescued" out of certain places in Africa, South America etc. Buying black and brown children for domestic servitude and sexual gratification has always been high profit in the black market to this day.
For weeks I was reluctant to express my true feelings regarding Haiti because I feared I would only feed the racist trolls and risk my jugular. But I have to say it, some of these Haitian parents/people are well aware of their children's faith. But poverty and 'cultural" ignorance plays a role in places like Haiti. Please no hate mail, I've had my entire life to make this observation. My native home lies smack in the middle of the Caribbean Diaspora - I know what I speak. The Carib is not a monolith, and my home and my particular island-distinguished culture has paid a high price for having the American flag being dropped on it generations ago. All my life I've seen my share of the high immigrant influx from black neighboring islands, and non-blacks who come to exploit from all over the world (a little NY in the Carib).
Not only do white and non-black criminals, thieves, pedophiles, exploiters use my home (and other Carib islands) as a safe heaven among the black and "ignorant", but I've observed many other black "island" people with their differencing cultures and nasty customs that routinely prey on black females and black children as a way of living - this painfully includes Haiti right up on the charts.
That being said, I also feel compelled to make another disheartening confession. Even after the earthquake in Haiti, I've had mix feelings of giving sympathy, and I really don't want to anticipate anymore immigrants in my homeland (including Haitians). However, these ill thoughts are something I'm trying hard to work out in my own way.
laincognita said:
Furthermore, I have a painful feeling that majority of these people wanting to adopt black Haitian 'orphans' are doing so to either gain social novelty attention, sexual child abuse access, or to obtain domestic servants.
really, the majority? not because any of them couldn't find a baby to adopt from somewhere else, or wanted to help where the need was greatest or most urgent?because all white people are the devil. damn, why do i keep forgetting that.
Maria, I was very particular not to specify race.
"because all white people are the devil. damn, why do i keep forgetting that."
You said it, you projected it.
Furthermore, you need to get over that white savior complex. White people are not the only ones who adopt children. If you thought like that, you wouldn't have interpreted that statement the way you did.
Let me further put you on your guard. I am not in that kind of mood at the moment to entertain you in a civil, nor respectful manner. Play at your own risk.
La♥audiobooks said...
Let me further put you on your guard. I am not in that kind of mood at the moment to entertain you in a civil, nor respectful manner. Play at your own risk.
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LOL!!!!
Furthermore, you need to get over that white savior complex. White people are not the only ones who adopt children. If you thought like that, you wouldn't have interpreted that statement the way you did.
Let me further put you on your guard. I am not in that kind of mood at the moment to entertain you in a civil, nor respectful manner. Play at your own risk.
i'm sorry, you think i'm on guard? no, and i don't need to "get over" anything. play at YOUR own risk.
i stand by what i said.
"I stand by what I said"
Go right ahead, who's going to argue. You were the one who said "because all white people are devils".
Maria, I'm counting down on my fingers... I'm trying to behave.
Uptown Steve I am still laughing about you taking Levitra like Now Laters. I aint mad at you lol.
Maria- I was saying just that, that I don't know if whites and blacks are responding differently to this incident. I am guessing that everyone is equally outraged, or at least I am hoping that to be true.
I am touched by the response of Americans, including whites to this crisis. There is a video in the NY Times today about pilots who are flying there personal planes into Haiti and making deliveries of food medicine and supplies to the outlying areas. Just about all of them are white. I think all this shows that when given the opportunity most humans will act humane. That is the problem with racism it causes humans to act toward there brothers and sisters of different hues and colors, in ways they ordinarily wouldn't
Field and others I never took Unconstructive Noise to be an attention seeker. But after looking at his posts on this one I suspect that HE CANNOT BE SERIOUS!!
He has tried to question the facts in this case while "enough" are out there to say something is wrong here. And what gets me is that he keeps commenting on it. I mean there is nothing to defend. I haven't seen him defending folks who look like my as veraciously as he defending these folks.
I saw with my own eyes the interviews with two of the children's, mothers it was on either CNN's website or the Miami Heralds which BTW has some of the most up to date news on the Haiti crisis because of the Haiitian emigree population and because of its proximity. They have 15 reporters their alone.
Anyway the mothers said they did not give their children away, but were told they were going to get a good education in the DR (temporarily)and they assumed it was some sort of Christian place they were going. And BTW there is much hatred and bigotry directed at Haitians by folks in the Dominican. Read the history its chilling. Trujillo murdered thousands of Haitians in the late 1930's while the world -- including the US and Haitis sell-out govt watched
And Unconstructive Noise is pretending that he can't see the wrong in all this and that somehow they should be given the benefit of the doubt. And then making matters worse, accusing folks of being haters for talking about this dreadful event.
If anyone should not be given the benefit of the doubt its is "unreconstructed verbiage."
UCN-
Your recent posts and your insistence on focusing on the problems of so-called street pirates without addressing the evil of the most destructive PIRATES in the history of the world the US government says alot about you. Your defense of that backward thinking lout Clarence Thomas helped make it even clearer.
But this takes the cake.
Are you really are a self-hating, narcissitic,cynical Christian, conservative( with nothing to conserve) defender of the so-called American Way (include bombing Afghanistan, Pakistan,etc, while failing to educate or provide universal health care among other things) Uncle Tom and House Negro?
get over that white savior complex
You need to leave, isn't that why you are here. Get over yourself.
you were jumping on field for even posting this story at all.
You are one sick cunt.
I blame this one of Sandra Bullock.
Since the release of The Blindside white folks are motivated more than ever to engage in the Save-a-Negro movement....
BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY!
[quote]CF, if many of them it seems had living parents, why were they in an orphanage?[/quote]
maria:
I was talking about two separate issues.
* These 33 kids going to the DR
* A video that I saw on PBS about a group of Haitian kids in an orphanage BEFORE THE EARTHQUAKE. There were American parents who were in the process of adoption.
Field Negro or FILLED NEGRO, YOU should be ASHAMED of yourself, you could care less about the Haitian Baby's! you should be screaming BLOODY MURDER, but you are NOT!
You know what, I waited to see how long it would take you to POST something about HAITIAN BABY'S! the INFORMATION you have is PITIFUL! you should know when and what time this lady wake's up in the morning! this is about BLACK BABY'S! think about it, why would WHITE PEOPLE want to adopt black baby's in GROUP'S? is something wrong with this picture to you! why are you NOT getting to the ROOT of this?
What is taking place in HAITI is a SHAME before God! why have you NOT, said ONE WORD about CHILDREN'S LIMB'S being cut off in HAITI? did you know about this? you put a COUPLE POST up and that was it! you moved on! this children LIMB'S have been CUT OFF without PAIN MEDICATION!
Haiti should have been YOUR first Priority, but, No, you went CHASING for a RACISM STORY! as if, BLACK FOLK need another RACISM STORY! we know WHITE FOLK hate us!
You should know the TRUE REASON'S as to why, WHITE FOLK REALLY want to ADOPT BLACK BABY'S out of HAITI! I don't know the FULL reason's, but, I've been Keeping up and paying attention!
You should have been BEGGING BLACK FOLK on your BLOG, to think about ADOPTING a child out of HAITI! but, NO, you moved on! you should have had YOUR Picture and your wife's Picture on the FRONT of YOUR BLOG asking us for DONATION'S for Haiti! you should have SHOWN PICTURE'S of the DEAD BODY'S in HAITI! but, NO, you found a AMERICAN RACISM STORY! well, what about HAITI FIELD NEGRO or THE FILLED NEGRO! and your side bar don't mean NOTHING! WHITE FOLK have setup BLOG'S pretending to be BLACK!
Oh and by the way, if I was in better HEALTH and had the Resource's, you best believe I would NOT hesitate, to ADOPT a HAITIAN CHILD!
ISEEISEE
iseeisee
you are crazy, but you are right about fn, he's gonna go a chasing rather than work from within the community of real community ills.
Annon - GET A NAME so I can figure out who you are.
[quote]And Unconstructive Noise is pretending that he can't see the wrong in all this and that somehow they should be given the benefit of the doubt. And then making matters worse, accusing folks of being haters for talking about this dreadful event.[/quote]
What a coincidence. I am watching the news RIGHT NOW. What are they talking about? HAITIANS COMING TO ATLANTA!!
More than "benefit of the doubt" is the quest to have the FACTS come out in a trial. You should try it some time.
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If anyone should not be given the benefit of the doubt its is "unreconstructed verbiage."[/quote]
Anon - In the past there was a group who thought as you think now. They were called "The ALL WHITE JURY". They were so busy priding themselves over their 100% conviction rate of Brothers that they never bothered to give us "the benefit of the doubt" as the FACTS lead them where the facts lead.
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UCN-
Your recent posts and your insistence on focusing on the problems of so-called street pirates without addressing the evil of the most destructive PIRATES in the history of the world the US government says alot about you.
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No doubt Anon.
Here is what I don't understand about YOU though.
* Despite your KNOWLEDGE about the history of what "The BEAST" did to you - YOU REMAIN IN ITS BELLY.
Tell me Anon - how many Florida cruises have you gone on in your life? Departing the BELLY yet using the CREDENTIALS that it gave to you to RETURN?
You have ONE ADVANTAGE that the international ANTI-AMERICA advocates have - YOU HAVE DOCUMENTS that allow you to return to the belly!!!
* WHY didn't YOU travel down to Haiti and act as a ONE MAN PROTEST against the BEAST landing upon the Haitian shores, initiating another 5 year occupation event?
I AM TIRED OF THE HOLLOW RHETORIC of BS Negroes like YOURSELF.
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Your defense of that backward thinking lout Clarence Thomas helped make it even clearer.
But this takes the cake.[/quote]
I STAND, RESOLUTE, with my ANALYSIS OF BROTHER JUSTICE CLARENCE THOMAS.
Ruth Bader Ginsberg is the BLACK INFERIORIST that YOU NEED TO BE WATCHING!!!!
Clarence Thomas has the AUDACITY to base his rulings upon the assumption that BLACK PEOPLE ARE EQUAL UNDER THE LAW.
YOU and other "Inferiorists" who like to transact based upon our inferiority like to make a TRANSACTION upon our assumed inferiority based upon your receive of something in the end.
Anon:
* Read "Kelo vs New London". It is the MODERN DAY "Negro Removal Project". Ginsberg voted in the AFFIRMATIVE. Thomas said NO - a private property owner cannot have his land taken by the government and given to ANOTHER PRIVATE OWNER.
* Read the Texas Utilities Commission case in which the term "Disparate Impact" was made. They raised the standard for supervisor promotions. One needed a HIGH SCHOOL FREAKING DIPLOMA to be considered. Ginsberg said that it was RACIST because while 32% of the WHITE FOLKS had HS diplomas only 12% of the Blacks had theirs.
Here is what pisses me off about people like you: In your DISHONESTY you are unable to apply your real world standards that you have - absent the case and RETAIN THEM when RACE comes into play.
DO YOU want your electrical power system run by someone who doesn't have a high school diploma?
What message DO YOU HAVE to young brothers who are thinking about dropping out of school - WHEN there is no BENEFIT to having a diploma?
Your problem is that you have been listening to the BIGOTED BLACK ESTABLISHMENT spend 20 attacking Clarence Thomas that you NEVER HEARD the LEFTIST ASSOCIATE JUSTICES put on trial as they are inspected about their foundational assumptions about the COMPETENCIES OF THE BLACK MAN.
GO SIT DOWN!!!
iseeisee and uncon is the same wacko.
ISEEISEE,
It is way too soon after the earthquake to talk of adoption. It hasn't been any time for families to find their relatives or orphanages to know where all the children are.
You should consider supporting agencies who are providing services for people to connect.
Up until 120 years ago, amputations were done without anesthesia. Do you know if anesthesia or antibiotics were available at the time? I know the pain is horrible, but would you rather they lost their life from infection?
At some point in time, the Haitians will need assistance rebuilding, housing and infrastructure. I am hoping organizations that build houses and clean water supplies will go there. If they do, they will need our support.
CF
"Read the Texas Utilities Commission case in which the term "Disparate Impact" was made. They raised the standard for supervisor promotions. One needed a HIGH SCHOOL FREAKING DIPLOMA to be considered. Ginsberg said that it was RACIST because while 32% of the WHITE FOLKS had HS diplomas only 12% of the Blacks had theirs."
And prior to blacks even being allowed to apply for supervisor promotions all whites had to have was a heartbeat and time in grade.
You and Uncle Slappy act as if there is no historical evidence of discrimination in these departments and everything just became "color-blind" with the new requirements.
@ maria
because all white people are the devil. damn, why do i keep forgetting that.
Don't even go there.
Take it from me, maria, you can learn a lot here from shutting up and listening. You don't need to defend all "white" people from every assertion or remark concerning our racist imperialist history and current ambivalence where issue of race and racism are concern.
Take a lesson from grinder. He rode that "you are so unfair to white people we aren't all bad" horse into the ground. A pity, too--he had some good insights on occasion.
Put your hackles back down, let go of the defensiveness, and LISTEN. Isn't that why you're here--to listen and learn?
If not, why are you here?
this is not at all about me not listening and i don't need a lecture.
@maria
Just trying to give you some friendly advice. My bad--it won't happen again.
Maria, you are a hot mess. You really need to listen to RT. And you do need some schooling. Or a hard smack in the face.
A really hard one there bonita!!!!!!
Pesonally I think, the babies need to be shipped away from Haiti. They need to be given to good white families who will teach them christian values, hard work, to not sag their pants so their butts hang out, to talk normal and be decent god fearing adults.
The black race is not doing a good job at raising kids. Look at the statistics. One cannot argue with them. It pains my heart to see the victim card constantly played and that so many black kids are wihtout fathers because what, is it 60% of the prison population is in jail??? There are more blacks in prison than college.
Give them to white folks who will raise them right. You may not agree wiht this, but look at the state of the black community my dear brethren.
"is it 60% of the prison population is in jail??"
There goes the Bell Curve theory.
"Spetu" must be Latin for "troll". Or "dumbass", as they are interchangeable.
What I would like to know is why do white folks tend to paint the black community with a broad sweeping paintbrush?
I mean, spetu, just painted ALL black folks as irresponsible parents and I assume that also means that ALL black folks is pimps, hoes, thugs, welfare recipients, thieves, and murderers. Did I miss anything that ALL of us black folks is?
However, when it comes to painting the white community, their ALL just angels wearing haloes who dropped down from heaven with no flaws, faults, or the same problems as human groups. In other words, they're the only ones on this planet that are PERFECT!
Every other group is something wrong with them according to them.
Spetu could you please answer my question? Since, you feel that white folks are the purest race on this earth and do no wrong.
Granny,
You have to give spetu a few more minutes for his response.
He's negotiating another half hour of computer time with the correction officer.
Hathor, excuse me, but, I was speaking to FIELD NEGRO!
Now, did you know,that it was Air Plane's full of Medication set aside in HAITI? did you know that? know can you tell me why? do you have the answer? for if so, please inform me!
Hathor, for some reason, these children had to SUFFER as well adult's for No reason, yet,it was PAIN MEDICATION available, but, yet, it was NOT being distributed as it should have been, now, do you think, if HAITI was an ALL WHITE COUNTRY this would have taken place or would be taking place? NO!
Hathor, you say, (at least they are alive), well, thank God for that, but, I would have preferred that these people would have been treated in more of a FAIR and JUST manner! after all, they are HUMAN BEING'S are they not?
Hathor, I do not need you too inform me, trust me I don't, my comment to FIELD was in the HERE and NOW, I was speaking in the Present tense, I witness what is taking place in HAITI NOW, and yes, I Pray Haiti will be Blessed with enough Finance's and help from the WORLD, to renew their Country in the manner in which God would want his people to live.
FIELD NEGRO, I called you the FILLED NEGRO, BUT, I meant to say, CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK!
The ANON, that called me CRAZY, YES, CRAZY like a FOX!
ISEEISEE
Sorry about that unconstructive. Somehow when I reentered the password I didn't get my tag in there. So it was me that took a shot at you. What are you mad about because you must be angry about something to tell me to sit down. Use your words, oh my bad you're all out,-- of new ideas anyway.
You are the one with the same old tired ideas; telling folks to pull up their boot straps without helping them to get strings, blaming the victims of this unjust system while ignoring the fact that they in fact have been victimized, calling out the violence of working folks and colored folks while being consistently silent about the violence of this government which officially and sometimes unoffcially kills folks everyday- they (sometime even kill folks dreams, pretend that the so-called market is really free rather than the dog eat dog system that it really is.
And NO I want sit down, as long as I have breath I will criticize this evil disguised as capitalism now in its latest stages better known as imperialism. I oppose it in the US and elsewhere. I oppose it for the reason you support it. I oppose any system that puts the needs of industry and capital, money and profit above the needs of human beings.
And I tell young people to finish school learn everything they can about the system they live under and always support policies and ideas that support the ability of human beings to be fully human. I also tell them to love God and their fellow man enough to do something to change this system or at least make a difference.
Unlike you Unconstructive or unreconstructed noise I have been on the front lines, both encouraging responsibility and accountability on the part of the system and our people.
Because I have stood up some people are in better shape in different parts of the country, I have real live anecdotes and a real live resume when it comes to helping our folks and defending their rights on the job their civil rights and their human rights. You on the other hand from what I can assertain do little more than make money and support the inhumane practices of the corporate world and write on blogs like these where some folks are at least trying to put their ideas to work.
And don't be silly because we have not been successful at overturning the system at this moment doesn't mean that one day the people won't rise up and put in place a just government that would recognize everyones rights as human beings whether it be shelter, health care, the ability to eat or the right the work a job and bring home a livable wage.
Really if anyone needs to sit down it would be you. You are really an enemy of progress!
spetu...some white child just shot another white child in the head in Alabama..betta get over there quick!
Anonymous said...
What is taking place in HAITI is a SHAME before God! why have you NOT, said ONE WORD about CHILDREN'S LIMB'S being cut off in HAITI? did you know about this? you put a COUPLE POST up and that was it! you moved on! this children LIMB'S have been CUT OFF without PAIN MEDICATION!
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I can't co-sign with you with reprimanding Field for not specifically mentioning the medical care in Haiti because I think his posting about Haiti is sufficient. And because my primary area is pathology and not surgery, I can't comment on the exact reasons for why medicine is being practiced the way it is in Haiti.
What I can say is that there's no way in hell the physicians there can possibly justify so many freakin' amputations!! There have been earthquakes worldwide and I can't recall one where the victims were subjected to such a drastic medical "solution"!! Obviously with a strong background in infectious diseases, I "get" the need to prevent sepsis via infection but damn, it appears that anyone with a broken limb is having that limb amputated. WTF!!!!!!!
mellaneous, Preach it!
Hathor said...
Up until 120 years ago, amputations were done without anesthesia. Do you know if anesthesia or antibiotics were available at the time? I know the pain is horrible, but would you rather they lost their life from infection?
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This is 2010, not 120 years ago!! Other earthquake victims had anesthesia and antibiotics, whats so different about Haiti?And don't gimme that $hit about the government, other places had bad governments too! Given Haitian society, I'd imagine that a Haitian amputee is as good as dead eventually.
FYI, here's a lesson about anesthesia in America. If you're brown, you're far less likely to be be offered the same anesthetic options for the same procedures as whites and unfortunately, I know this from experience!!!
MeandMyScope:
Amen! I am not in a medical field but even I know something...something ain't right with that. It is strange how they didn't do that many amputations in all those other foreign countries when they had severe earthquakes or even over here for 9/ll.
One more thing, notice that the ones they are amputating are all children and the young folks.
Sounds like they're doing a little ethnic cleansing over there in Haiti on the slick side. Amputate their limbs and escalate their death. Kill off the kids to slowly eliminate the population. Money is the ROOT of ALL EVIL!
The spirit of Herod, the baby murderer! Smh in disgust!
uptownsteve said...
"is it 60% of the prison population is in jail??"
There goes the Bell Curve theory.
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I'm gonna co-sign with for one of few times UTS.
I mean really, do white folks think ALL those 750K+ homes in PG County are filled with single parents because by my calculations, even white folks need 2 incomes to roll like that!!! In my graduating high school class, I'd say at least 75% of us are college educated AND married. And this is from an all Black high school!
You shouldn't have to live in a place like Metro DC to have the common sense to know that Blacks are doing a hellva lot better than some white folks make out.
All I can say is that black folks need to get together and start working on building their own rescue teams in case of disasters. Because if Katrina and Haiti is an example of things to come in case a disasters hits here in the USA well...think about it!
"FYI, here's a lesson about anesthesia in America. If you're brown, you're far less likely to be be offered the same anesthetic options for the same procedures as whites and unfortunately, I know this from experience!!!"
Even though you have a good doctor and good health insurance? Now you are scaring me.
Granny, I am watching Keith Olberman, and he showed a clip with TOM TANCREDA belittling Black people! and trust me, he didn't hold back!
These TEA PARTY people are RACIST to the CORE! You can tell the different STATE'S each RACIST come from! Southern RACIST MOUTH look NASTY! THEY DIP SNUFF and CHEW TOBACCO! and their face is Bumpy and Nasty! I guess I will REPENT later, it all depend's!
Prison's are filled with WHITE CRIMINAL'S, child MOLESTER'S Galore! they have to be kept away from the NORMAL CRIMINAL'S!
White girl's have baby's left and right, they have a show on CABLE as proof! and not to mention their LAZY Boy friend's, or not to mention the one's that give their Baby's up for Adoption! these young white folk give their baby up, because they don't want to be Bothered!
Next season the CABLE SHOW will have a entire SLEW of PREGNANT WHITE GIRL'S!
I will close now, for it will take me a life time to comment on the Transgression's of the White Race! for if the Black Race would really think about it, our people would come out LILLY WHITE compared to the WHITE RACE!
ISEEISEE
MeandMyMicroscope:
"You shouldn't have to live in a place like Metro DC to have the common sense to know that Blacks are doing a hellva lot better than some white folks make out"
See, that's the problem and has always been the problem all throughout our history. When too many blacks were doing good, that's when all the BS starts such as the flood of negative remarks about blacks or any other nonwhite person. Paronoia sets in and whites began to think that a nonwhite person is going to get all the jobs or do better than them.
It is always tends to be leading in the direction of stuff like Jim Crow, Internment camps, Indian Reservations, a mass rounding up immigrants and shipping them back to their country , etc. In other words, it is a forerunner of things to come. History repeats itself.
As for Haiti, too many were buying vacation homes in the West Indies. Yup, they seem have taken a liken to those clear blue oceans and tropical scenery over there--Paradise. Even after the disaster had hit they had a boat cruise docked by the beach while the people from the cruises were enjoying the beach in Haiti.
Anonymous said...
Even though you have a good doctor and good health insurance? Now you are scaring me.
>>>>>>>>>
Medical racism doesn't recognize good health insurance. And good doctors don't practice medical racism.
spetu@7:25p there is some truth in what you say about the suffering of black kids in America. those whites who are 'legit' in Haiti will be able to adopt and raise those Haitian children. but the whites who are crooked need to go to jail. don't you agree?
but i hear ya. don't worry. blacks in America won't be adopting any Haitians anytime soon.
"All I can say is that black folks need to get together and start working on building their own rescue teams in case of disasters. Because if Katrina and Haiti is an example of things to come in case a disasters hits here in the USA"
the first place a big time earthquake will hit will be in SF like it did in '89. but i don't think it did much damage to oakland, did it?
@Hathor/MeandMyMicroscope/IseeIsee --
I don't know the situation on the ground regarding medical care. Surely, some of it is that even prior to the quake the supplies and hospitals were a mess and docs can't scavenge for what they need.
I do remember reading one article entitled "Expect Gettysburg" and I said to myself "what the hell does that mean?" Later in the article, it explained that it was one Doc telling another Doc who was on the way that that was the conditions medical personnel were working with. I still thought it was a symbolic description until he went on to say they were literally having to amputate with nothing just to keep folks alive.
I'm not quite ready to say this is a black versus white response. Mainly because white Americans and Europeans have always been better -- in my opinion -- with dealing with foreigners whatever the color. I don't know why but it seems that way to me. A white conservative American will let a black American or a poor white American starve and/or die in the worst kinds of conditions while never lifting a hand to help but make that black person or white person a foreigner and they suddenly find generosity. I don't get it but I've seen it too many times to discount it.
Also, the way the US and Western Europe has allowed Eastern Europe to rot shows they don't care much for them either. Even when ethnic cleansing was going on Western Europe didn't care and the US only stepped in to do aerial bombings after the fact and the places still fell apart after the peace and some have returned to their communist hellhole status w/o the formal communism.
Unless a country has nukes, is threatening us, or has a trade resource we need then we don't care. We run to natural disasters to help but we ignore grinding poverty and horrible living conditions in much the same way that conservative ignore those things here at home.
In a way, our health care is the same way. If you're immediately dying of a heart attack our medical system will save you but if you're dying a long death from something like cancer then you're on your own to die -- no help here if you can't pony up the cash first.
It's a sick way of thinking and I think it permeates a lot of our decisions and actions as a nation.
--j
Yeah, it did do some damage in Oakland. Matter of fact, one of my cousins was one of the victims who died on the freeway that collapsed which was in Oakland. Oakland had the most deaths in that earthquake.
MEANDMYMICROSCOPE, it's okay, you don't have to agree with me about FIELD'S POSTING! all is WELL, but, YOU SEE! and that's all I need to know, thank you JESUS!
You know what, it's as if, someone is trying to CRIPPLE HAITI at every end, MEDICATION sit in AIR PLANE'S!!!! now, why was that? they gave these poor people VODKA to drink for PAIN! this is 2010!
Some Folk think I go OVER BOARD, but, good, at least they READ the comment!
I came down on FIELD because, I wanted him to get to the ROOT of this! find out what is REALLY going on! these are our people! I may not be from HAITI, but, I am BLACK! and if it is any RACE that will be mistreated, it is OUR PEOPLE! don't matter what COUNTRY you are from! what matter's is you will NOT be treated FAIR! that is a FACT, and we have HISTORY as PROOF!
iseeisee
Yeah, but the thing is J, that they had the medical supplies there just sitting at the airport, not being moved, and unattended. They showed that on CNN several times.
We do not know what really happen during China's biggest earthquake and the one in the Afghanistan and Iran didn't effect a large of a population as in Haiti. Can we even compare the living conditions?
Actually I think bad water will be the worst threat to health.
Creating scenarios (including mine) one cannot prove isn't helping the Haitians at all.
@granny -- I try to avoid all cable and tv based news when it comes to disasters. I can't stand the pain or the exploitation of pain. Katrina was enough to cure me of watching newscasters so I try to use print/online sources instead.
With the aid sitting on the runway, you gotta wonder what's going through people's minds. Was that before or after the military finally showed up in force? To me, there's been far too much griping and sniping between nations involved in the help when they ought to just be doing. I am sincerely hoping that now that more people are in place things will go much more smoothly. I'm also hopeful (and I know some will think me naive) that we're really committed this time -- not just to rescue and cleanup but to really helping Haiti become the nation it has every potential and right to be.
--j
I feel ya IseeIsee. What some folks don't seem to understand is that all we want to see is fair treatment and equal justice for ALL and not just for one selected group. By any means necessary!
Some people when you try to tell them in a nice way, they want to label it whining or something negative because they don't want to hear it. Therefore, they make it necessary for shock treatment.
J:
When Katrina hit, I watched my cousin being lifted off of the roof of her house on national tv. She was a nurse and worked at the hospital and called herself running home for a few minutes to get a few things. I don't think I have to tell you what I thought about the Bushes and especially Barbara Bush.
J:
When Katrina hit, I watched my cousin being lifted off of the roof of her house on national tv. She was a nurse and worked at the hospital and called herself running home for a few minutes to get a few things. I don't think I have to tell you what I thought about the Bushes and especially Barbara Bush.
ISEEISEE, please pray for me. :)
"Unlike you Unconstructive or unreconstructed noise I have been on the front lines, both encouraging responsibility and accountability on the part of the system and our people."
Mell, you should be commended for fighting the good fightguess. I the [un]constructive one is kind of like the general in the war room plotting things. The thing is, if we follow his plan, I think we will all be captured or killed by the enemy.
[un]constructive one, why can't we try to make the beast better?
Please tell me you are not giving us the "love it or leave it" speech? Wow! I think you
have pretty much used up all of your wingnut talking points.
@granny -- No. You certainly don't have to state it out-loud and I can all but guarantee you I feel the same way! New Orleans has always held a big part of my heart. Thank God, I didn't have to worry about family (at least that I know of). I can't imagine how much worse that would've been.
--j
Very few on this blog are genuinely concerned about this woman's intention. One thing that is pretty clear is that the majority of this blogs readers don't like ANY whites adopting black children. Especially, if the parents are educated and well-to-do, and can provide a good home. That is hated more than anything.
There is a level of bitterness that would prefer to see orphaned children live in poverty with a reduced lifespan, than to grow well-adjusted in a home with parents who are white. It is still a source of sore feelings when you have successful black folks like obama and others who have been raised by white people.
[quote]The black race is not doing a good job at raising kids. Look at the statistics. [/quote]
Spetu:
When you are able to unite ME with Granny and WhiteBowieSteve - you have really stepped in it.
The key problem is that YOU ARE WRONG.
There is NOTHING about "Blackness" that is causing people to not raise their kids right.
AT THIS POINT STEVE would go off and talk about how WHITE FOLKS are screwed up too.
AT THIS POINT GRANNY would go off and talk about how BUSH has caused us to screw up our Black kids
AT THIS POINT CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK will make note that what you are seeing in the unsatisfactorily high rate of dysfunction in our children today is because of PARENTS who's CONSCIOUSNESS is misaligned with the series of enforcements which are necessary to have these kids directed toward more conscious outcomes.
This is not about COLOR it is about CONSCIOUSNESS and those who have stultified it for their own selfish agenda.
Isee Isee- whats really going on in Haiti or what went on is that the US government which BTW is not the same as you and I, arrived in Haiti to occupy it. They landed troops first and forced other countries to wait in the air,while they unloaded the considerable supplies the US Army brings along went it deployed. Some planes had to return to their origin because the US forced Haiti or Haiti's gov't laid down and signed an agreement to allow the US to run the airport.
Also notice the news blackout about other nations contributions esp. Cuba which was on the ground right away with doctors and a makeshift hospital.
As a result of the US hogging the airport for its occupation, badly needed supplies did not get to folks. Even CNN's Anderson Cooper was commenting on it. Folks knew that medical supplies including anesthesia was needed but the US Armed Forces blocked their ability to get there.
You guys are playing too much conspiratorial games with the amputees. The doctors didn't just go around cutting off limbs they amputated limbs to save folks who were going to die otherwise from the infection that would have resulting from some limbs simply hanging off or others badly damaged.The problem was that the medical supplies and equipment was unnescarilly delayed
The sin was in the delay and the sudden inability of the smartest folks in the world to organize something as simple as getting food to folks. Esp. when they have the most modern aircraft known to man. But they had another angle. And that was to make the people look like savages -look at how they all fight over the food, they are looting etc. This is so when they do their thing and start making decisions for Haitians and start brunoing the construction folks will say, 'well hell they can't take care of themselves, we might as well do it.'Most of this it turned out was lies. But the US gov't and some of the so-called helpers exacerbated the situation with their callous delays.
The US military stopped making flights - for 5 days --that's right brother Obama's government actually left suffering and dying Haitians -with injured Haitians to hospitals in Florida pretending that the governor said he wanted to be paid. The truth has since come out that the Army just cancelled the flights without any real reason.
The bottom line folks is that the US military is there to prevent a revolution by the common folks who want to take personal responsibility and take government into their own hands and thus end corruption and begin actually investing in education, healthcare, jobs and the well-being of the common man.
There are several blogs with info on Haiti that gives a more complete picture of whats really going on; blackagendareport.com, counterpunch.com, alternet.org, truthout.org among others
Cold Truth:
Nah, I don't mind whites adopting black children. But what I do mind is some whites taking advantage of Haiti's situation taking children under false pretenses, children being sold into slavery to the highest bidder.
BTW, have white adoption agencies ran out of children? Another thing is that the impression and attitude that only if black children are raised in white homes will they somehow grow up to be well-adjusted is an insult. There are many blacks capable of that as well. If it wasn't there wouldn't be Doctors, teachers, engineers, politicians, lawyers, etc., who are also black.
Now, like I said I don't mind whites adopting black children but I would like to think that it is because they LOVE children no matter what and its not just some type of experiment to see if a black child is raised in a white home with white parents that they will somehow turn out like the President. You feel me?
Mellaneous:
You am feeling you. I want you to go on a cruise with me. Since I am a married man I'll have to buy you a separate cabin. The key point of my offer is that with this cruise I GET TO TRICK YOU INTO EXITING THE "BELLY OF THE BEAST". I plan to tip the cabin steward to STEAL YOUR PASSPORT.
When you disembark in Cancun or Belize you will not have your "BELLY OF THE BEAST" credentials to REENTER the vessel which functions as the "capsule" through which you reentered the esophagus and return back into the BELLY.
YOU seem to provide cover to yourself as you claim that in your STRUGGLE AGAINST THE BEAST your presence within is required to protect others. What we need you to look at is your CONSUMPTION of the fruit which the beast has digested in its first stomach chamber (ie: Imperialist Policies) and the gastric juices that YOU receive from it as you reside in the second stomach chamber.
You have built up a tolerance to the acid from the digestive juices and are now able to extract the nutrition from it.
My goal Mellaneous is to get you to LOOK AT YOURSELF.
"No doubt Anon.
Here is what I don't understand about YOU though.
* Despite your KNOWLEDGE about the history of what "The BEAST" did to you - YOU REMAIN IN ITS BELLY."
So true. Don't you love people who have grown fat off the U.S. economy, who essential live off it, like to talk about thieves and pirates? What does that make them?
What does the economic ingenuity of Americans like Bill Gates, Henry Ford, John Pemberton (founder of coca-cola), and countless others have to do with piracy?
Not a damn thing.
The lost, defeated, and confused will always make excuses for the success of others. I believe anon would call it "hatin'"
One more thing, Constructive you do not speak for me or think for me and you are being besides yourself and stepping over the line when you assume that you know what I would say or how I think!!!
So, please in the future speak for yourself. What makes you think that you are better than anyone on here as if we're beneath you. You need to drop that arrogant and condescending attitude of yours because you sleep, have a bowel movement, and will die one day just like the rest of us folks.
Jesus!!! Granny YOU DRIVE ME CRAZY!!!!!
[QUOTE]
When Katrina hit, I watched my cousin being lifted off of the roof of her house on national tv.
She was a nurse and worked at the hospital and called herself running home for a few minutes to get a few things.
I don't think I have to tell you what I thought about the Bushes and especially Barbara Bush.[/quote]
Does this sound RATIONAL to any of you?
Granny saw flood waters that were initiated by a massive Hurricane but SHE SAW the BREATH OF GEORGE BUSH blowing water onto the Big Easy.
Granny saw the 3 massive bodies of water that surround New Orleans being thrashed about and she saw GEORGE BUSH'S hand come out of the water and SWAT down several segments of the cement ribbon that were keeping the homes of Black people dry.
Granny saw the US Military (and Coast Guard) Helicopters coming to rescue the AFRICANS who where STOLEN AWAY from their continent 200 years ago. In the ultimate metaphor of this half millennium of CAPITALISM OPPRESSION they were perched on the roof of their homes as the flood waters of the oppressive concoction of:
* Water
* Unsanitary Waste
* Oil
* Mud
* Human Carcasses
crept higher and higher upon the buildings that this oppressive system allowed them to own as this tidal wave sought to SMOTHER THEM!!!
Granny was highly pissed at this sight.
The VERY SAME US Military Pilot who was trained to KILL PEOPLE OF COLOR AROUND THE WORLD in his helicopter gun ship - was picking BLACK PEOPLE off of the roof.
She knew that once the symbolic stew of oppression subsided and the CONTRACTORS PROFITED from the cleanup and reconstruction funds- these OPPRESSED BLACKS would be PUT BACK IN HARMS WAY, the cycle repeated.
[quote][un]constructive one, why can't we try to make the beast better?
Please tell me you are not giving us the "love it or leave it" speech? Wow! I think you
have pretty much used up all of your wingnut talking points.[/qutoe]
Filled Negro:
Here me clearly on this
"America Love It Or Leave It" is a TOTALITARIAN concept that requires compliance. I 100% reject this.
What I told Mellaneous is:
"America DISCONNECT your umbilical chord from its attachment upon the nutrition source that you hate".
At this point, Filled Negro - I would normally tell the story of the MAFIA WIFE who claimed that while she figured that her husband merely owned a sanitation company but suspected that their $3 million mansion was kinda questionable for a company with merely 3 trash trucks - despite her years of telling him to get out of the business SHE ACCEPTED the LIFESTYLE and the mink coat and diamonds that it brought to her.
Filled Negro - if the Mafia wife stated in court testimony that she felt to strongly that he should CHANGE that she stopped sleeping with him - do YOU believe that this is sufficient enough of a sacrifice for her to escape complicity as a CONSUMER CO-CONSPIRATOR?
"Jesus!!! Granny YOU DRIVE ME CRAZY!!!!!
[QUOTE]
When Katrina hit, I watched my cousin being lifted off of the roof of her house on national tv.
She was a nurse and worked at the hospital and called herself running home for a few minutes to get a few things.
I don't think I have to tell you what I thought about the Bushes and especially Barbara Bush.[/quote]
Does this sound RATIONAL to any of you?"
Come on, Granny. Let's get it together.
Filled Negro - if the Mafia wife stated in court testimony that she felt to strongly that he should CHANGE that she stopped sleeping with him - do YOU believe that this is sufficient enough of a sacrifice for her to escape complicity as a CONSUMER CO-CONSPIRATOR?"
Poor analogy. There is nothing illegal about living in A-merry-ca. Why should he leave? Why would the wife want to leave if her husband wasn't doing anything that was considered illegal? Instead, she should be working on her marriage to make it better.
Constructive:
You need to cut down on your caffeine intake because you are sounding stranger by the minute.
UNCON- no matter how you try to describe it you are still advancing the love it or leave it argument.
You are reaching I truly know myself which is why I do what I do. I am no allusions or illusions that folks are going to see things my way but I am clear about what needs to change.
To be fair to you you would have no way of knowing that I live a simple lifestyle and have for some time now. I have worked working class jobs and as journalist the point is none have paid very well. I couldn't afford a cruise and have never taken one.
In other words I am not materialistic so all the exploiting going on is not for me trust me. I take the bus everywhere.
I am not in envy of you nor do do I envy anything you have or have attained. I just think that everybody else should benefit at least enough from the system to get their basic needs met and fail to understand why you that things as they are, are either okay or just needs more conservatism.
And to your other point I am an American citizen therefore I am accorded the rights to criticize. The preamble of the Constitution of the US gives me that right. I am sure you have read it! And beyond that I am a preacher of the gospel and unlike many of my ilk I answer to a higher power that requires justice, mercy and walking humbly with God. And thus that gives me a right an obligation to call evil, evil.
It's a shame that black
Amen Mellaneous! Amen, amen, and amen again. Preach it!
....folks --at least some black folks--have gotten so sophisticated that the same system that less than 50 years ago; denied us the right to vote and relegated us to second class citizenship - inadequate educational opportunities, bank redlining, higher and rip-off life insurance policies, paying more for less, police brutality, Moynihan even said we had a cultural deficiency even racist violence-- is now just cool with us.
Unreconstructed Noise- would have only been allowed in his company to shines shoes or clean floors. Now all of a sudden their still biased and worker ripping off butts are just good enough to kiss.
Mellaneous,
The reason for the Army's incompetence, is because its the Army. Ever heard the expression "Hurry up and wait." I think it first appeared during WWII.
There had been a comment on another of FN's post, that the Navy has been better at humanitarian missions and has had more experience.
I feel the Spirit!
Mellaneous:
You ever watched a stone chiseler and how they hammer away at a rock a little at a time in order to refine it and make it into a sculpture...a work of art?
Well, you remind me of a stone chiseler hammering away at those falsehoods, deception, and lies in order for the work of art, which is truth to shine through. I truly enjoy your post and feel the Spirit in them every time.
Thanks Granny appreciate the compliment.
Hathor- It would be nice to think it was just plain ole incompetence. Its good to read newspapers from Europe and other areas because they sometimes reveal the facts that we don't get here.
Trust me it was not incompetence that took the Army and rest of the armed forces to get their stuff together.
I am sure you have heard the story about one animal-your choice- asking another animal known for its cunning and treachery for a rid across a river. The rider made his ride promise not to bite or sting him and his ride obliged. ONly when they got half way across the snake, scorpion (your choice) bit or stung his/her rider and when the rider asked why he had stung or bit him/her. The rides reply was you knew what I was when you asked for the ride.
In other words, these guys have only one purpose and they want you and me to believe that its something else, like humanitarian. Thats the trick. They are there to occupy the country and prevent revolution.
If you really believe that the US gov't (there is a difference between the govt and the people) is just there for humanitarian reasons just stay tuned.
BTW, Michelle Obama was raised by some black parents and guess what, she is the FIRST LADY. Oprah Winfrey was raised by some black parents and guess what she is a billionaire and both of those women are WELL-ADJUSTED! I can name some more WELL-ADJUSTED black successful Black folks.
Oh yeah, I don't want to leave out Dr. Ben Carson who was raised in a black single parent home whose mother only had a third grade education. He was the director of pediatric neurosurgery at John Hopkins since 1984. He is a professor of neurosurgery, plastic surgery, oncology, and pediatrics. He was also the co-director of Craniofacial Center at John Hopkins. His practice included traumatic brain injuries, brain and spinal cord tumors, achondroplasia, neurological and congential disorders, craniosynostosis, epilepsy, and trigeminal neuralgia. He has written more than 90 neurosurgical publications and been awarded 24 honorary degrees and dozens of national citations of merit. To top it off, he is the author of three best selling books. Now, how is that for a WELL-ADJUSTED home?
"They are there to occupy the country and prevent revolution."
Yup, and to steal the oil and gold.
Now who DID NOT see this coming...
What do you think those MORMONS (yeah I said it) wanted with children aged 3-6...?????
What did they do those to the children back in 2009...?????
And the only way we knew about it was because one of the little girls they did it to dropped a dime on them...
I aint forgot nuthin'!
And what are they grinnin' about...???? I don't think it's funny...not one bit.
Peace.
~agape2010~
mellaneous,
Didn't deploy either as a crack military operation to suspress revolution.
Mellaneous:
My goal is to get you to LINK your macro-consciousness together.
Indeed this is the SAME SYSTEM that has enslaved us. WHY THEN would you allow this SYSTEM to inject an unknown pharmacological substance into your body per the "Universal Health Care" that you demand from this beast?
Not only must you TRUST that it won't try to KILL YOU AGAIN, but as you yield your community competency toward providing medical care to your people within - LEVERAGING the academic institutions that you now control to develop these human resources to serve this role.
How is it, Mellaneous, that the same Democratic Party corporation which is the partner in oppression in every single stage of Black American history where we were treated as "3/5ths" of a man, up until 1964. How is it that you have LONG MEMORY of this country's past corporate deeds but the Democratic Party has been purged clean of its past and is now the "Protective Womb" of the Negro?
I am NOT advancing "Love It Or Leave It".
I AM asking you to reconcile your RELATIONSHIP to your abuser. The more you expose yourself to him - the more vulnerable you are to him when he gets drunk with power and goes on a rampage against him.
I am merely taking inventory of the backup plan and plan for separation from your primary antagonist.
to all of you who called me a cunt, and retarded, and stupid, and think i need to be schooled: FUCK YOU.
you attack me when i show some of you to be wrong, instead of trying to proof you were right. i am more than willing to admit when i am wrong on facts and to change my opinion and perspective with your help. and i have.
all i was saying earlier on were FACTS and dismissing the notion that "most" white people wouldn't be objecting to the "missionaries" taking kids in haiti.
some of you absolutely do believe white people are responsible for all that is wrong in the world, and especially in the black person's world--and in that respect i agree with CF.
some of you also like to throw out pure provocative opinionated slams at white people--especially fly--and think that no one should challenge you on it.
fuck that. you are not above reproach and neither am am i on FACTS or generalizations. someone says something here everyone has the right to say what do you mean by that, tell me more. cowards deflect and launch personal attacks.
i have never said all whites were great people or saviors or that i am either.
for the record, i am not stupid, racist or a cunt. i do not have a fat ass either--i run on average 12 miles a week and it is quite nice, round, high and firm--thank you very much.
i have come here and listened and responded respectfully and asked questions, and given answers. i try to provide information and facts. i believe in productive dialogue. i am a doer and a thinker and not afraid to debate.
are maria and grinder the same?
Maria, "for the record, i am not stupid, racist or a cunt. i do not have a fat ass either--i run on average 12 miles a week and it is quite nice, round, high and firm--thank you very much.
i have come here and listened and responded respectfully and asked questions, and given answers. i try to provide information and facts. i believe in productive dialogue. i am a doer and a thinker and not afraid to debate."
Good for you, Maria. i hope you know those who calling you names are assholes themselves. degrading others is how they make their insecure egos bigger. it's not just you, they do it to other Blacks too-if you haven't noticed.
but there are 'some' blacks on this blog who would not lower themselves to such filthy words. honestly, those who said those words to you only 'diminish' themselves.
CF, "I AM asking you to reconcile your RELATIONSHIP to your abuser. The more you expose yourself to him - the more vulnerable you are to him when he gets drunk with power and goes on a rampage against him.
I am merely taking inventory of the backup plan and plan for separation from your primary antagonist."
An excellent observation. Blacks have never reconciled their RELATIONSHIP to the man. They complain and find fault, but do nothing about it. It's almost like the days of slavery where slaves hoped the master would come to his senses and treat them as equal human beings.
Now that Blacks have the potential to be powerful, it's as though they are afraid of harnessing that power within their community. Like Mellaneous, they would rather "hope" that their complaining will magically transform the white man into the kind of person they want.
To hope that the white man will change, rather than take action to harness the power of Blacks within the black community, is to sign a death warrant for the BC. Blacks 'must' change their 'powerless' passive mode of thinking to a dynamic powerful way of thinking...if they are to survive as a race.
babynapping THIEVES
put them UNDER the jail.
PERIOD.
it's ridiculous, FN.
they were going to SELL THOSE CHILDREN.
With a black people like CF around, who needs grinder.
CF
"How is it that you have LONG MEMORY of this country's past corporate deeds but the Democratic Party has been purged clean of its past and is now the "Protective Womb" of the Negro?"
Not exactly purged and definitely not the "protective womb" of black folks.
However the modern Democratic party has embraced diversity and participation, recognized the need for as well as supporting policies toward the advancement of people of color.
The GOP has done none of that.
Instead the only black support the GOP welcomes is racist apologists such as yourself.
GrannyStandingforTruth said...
All I can say is that Black folks need to get together and start working on building their own rescue teams in case of disasters. Because if Katrina and Haiti is an example of things to come in case a disasters hits here in the USA well...think about it!
There it is, yo.
Imagine what would have happened if, after Hurricane Katrina, Haitian Voodoo Priests prowled New Orleans, snatched random children off the streets and smuggled them out to Mexico.
Even if the Baptists are not doing to harvest organs or child slavery, Child-snatching-for-Jesus is not acceptable..
At least one person here asked why Americans adopt from abroad in the first place. I'll answer at a personal level as someone who adopted a child from Asia. Domestic adoptions nowadays are exceptionally difficult and take many years if one wants to adopt an infant. Yes, I do know that there are a lot of kids in state custody who are available for adoption. These kids are in state custody for a reason--most commonly a long history of parental abuse. I truly admire anyone who adopts kids with such a history. My spouse and I considered doing that, and even went through several months of classes for people considering such adoptions, but in the end we decided we were not up to the task.
Child-snatching, child trafficking, all that stuff is bad news, of course. But please don't criticize folks who decide on foreign adoption without pondering all the details.
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