“Hell is empty and all the devils are here.” ~ Shakespeare!
You go that right, Bill. And I believe you because of the latest from my god fearing friends on the right.
Seems that there is a new campaign going on to get black women not to have abortions. Why? Because abortions are part of a racist plot to exterminate black people.Yep. All those poor single mothers who decided that they weren't going to bring a child into the world, because, oh, I don't know; they wanted to maybe make something of themselves, are being tricked by pro-choice racist.
I swear the anti choice folks will do anything to get their way. I wonder where these people were when black folks -who were actually fully developed humans- were being killed in this country, for no other reason than the fact that they were black?
Field, did you know that the founder of planned parenthood "was founded by a woman who was a leading proponent of eugenics"? Yes, and I also know that Henry Ford hated Jews. But that doesn't mean that all those anti choice folks who drive Fords hate Jews.
Then there is this latest slave catcher, Catherine Davis, who makes the following comments with a straight face:
"The abortion industry is targeting the black woman," she said. "There is no lynch mob wearing white sheets and hoods. What they've done is take off the hoods and put on suits and say: let's go and kill the black people. It's cloaked itself by talking about choice. But the industry has targeted the black community. If people were put on the endangered species list then certainly black children would be there because more are aborted than at any time in history."
Davis also shows a film,
"Targeting the black woman"? Ms. Davis (and this comment is going to piss off some of you) I submit to you that the pro choice industry is not targeting under served communities enough. If I see one more poor black single mother at the bus stop with three or four kids and not a man in sight, I will scream. What we need is more pro active sex education in schools. (Where is Joycelyn Elders when you need her?) We also need more counseling for these young girls out here who think that having a baby is like having a f*&^%$g doll. And, getting in the face of some of these young boys who think that raising a child is some sort of joke.
But field, what do you do after the horse leaves the barn? Well, it depends on how far out of the barn the horse is. If he only stuck his tail out of the barn and you cut it off, you cut a tail, not a horse. (That was a weired analogy, but hey, it's late, it's the best I can do right now.)
I love these anti choice people ranting about abortions when they know damn good and well that if mommy brings the child into the world, they are the ones who are going to fight the hardest to make sure that he or she isn't playing on an equal playing field. Talk about irony. This isn't only about abortions this is about a woman's right to reproductive freedom. I don't care if a woman is black, white, purple, brown, rich, or poor; she should have the right to do what she wants to do with her own damn body. And I submit to you that if she does not think that she can raise a child she should NOT have one. Period.
"It is a message that plays well in parts of a community that remains suspicious of the intent of parts of the white establishment, including the medical industry, after revelations of experiments on black people as well as the second rate care they sometimes received in the past.
Other black leaders are backing the emotive message. Johnny Hunter, an African-American pastor and president of the Life Education and Resource Network, a Christian coalition, told a rally in Georgia last month that opposition to abortion is the new civil rights struggle.
"The civil rights activists did not fight to make lynching safe, legal, and rare. They ended it. We must fight to end the ugliest form of racism: abortion," he said. "More black children die every four days from abortion than the Ku Klux Klan killed in 144 years … All the civil rights gained in education, voting and equal job opportunities mean nothing to a dead black child."
Johnny, what does it mean to a child who is alive but wishes they were dead?
243 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 243 of 243Purple Cow, "Actually there are a couple of billion of us, who believe in rationality, rather than wizards and fairies above the sky, how does my not believing in the great flying sky wizard cheat me?"
Actually, most everyone believes in rationality. I certainly do. However, rationality, logic and reason often fail humans and fall short in explainating a lot of things--such as our 'existence'.. and death...
That's the great value of religion and spirituality. But they are not about wizards and fairies as your 'rational' prejudiced mind is telling you.
God, religion, and/or spirituality was never meant to be-or designed to be explained in the same manner as science. Religion was designed to help us live spiritually with our unexplained existence and suffering human condition. It humanizes the heart and connects us all as brothers and sisters.
True religion is an 'inner' directed quality that complements the 'outer' directed quality of science. Every human has it, but some never recognize or notice it. Yet,
Your comment re: God clearly indicated a negative BELIEF about a God that you have been carrying in your heart for a long time. I assume you developed it at a young age, which you have thus far 'believed' throughout your adulthood?
You might consider, or question the origin of your beliefs, or non-beliefs, about God and religion. Take them apart. Deconstruct them, or at least investigate them.
You see, ironically your 'rational' mind is an 'irrational' mind, when it comes to God. I suppose you have your 'rational' reasons, but I implore you to examine them closely:
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance--that principle is contempt prior to investigation." -Herbert Spencer
CF "Bennett:
AGAIN you show your intellectual FRAUDULENCE.
If you are a NON-BELIEVER then WHY did you volunteer the notion that those who had an abortion should be left alone and made to "deal with their God"?
You should have BEEN SILENT on the issue instead.
You clearly show your "Secular Progressive" bias - making use of commentary on religion ONLY WHEN it advances your leftist agenda."
DITTO!!! Bennett, you are full of shit. Of course, I knew that when you started relating to Maria. If you truly live in a small farm town of 1200 go shovel some cow dung, you'll feel better.
Jeeze, you god-botherers are just so patronizing. I suppose you just can't help yourselves.
[quote Anon]However, rationality, logic and reason often fail humans and fall short in explainating a lot of things--such as our 'existence'.. and death... [/quote]
Easy.
Life is a chemical process. You and I are an organization of chemical processes. When we die the atoms we have borrowed return to their natural state of chaos. Entropy increases - chemical processes stop.
[quote: anon]God, religion, and/or spirituality was never meant to be-or designed to be explained in the same manner as science.[/quote]
How convenient.
[quote Anon] Your comment re: God clearly indicated a negative BELIEF about a God that you have been carrying in your heart for a long time. I assume you developed it at a young age, which you have thus far 'believed' throughout your adulthood? [/quote]
I don't have a negative belief about God, I just think there's no such thing. Yes I have "believed" that there is no such thing as a god as long as I can remember.
That's what i find so annoying about you religious people, you act as if not believing in god means there must be something wrong with me.
Yet you choose to believe in an omnipotent, omnipresent God who allows a tsunami to rip a new born baby out of it's mother's arms.
Why?
Well it suits God's purpose.
What is God's purpose?
Well, we are not allowed to know, apparently.
Is that what passes for rationality these days?
Why is the universe a better place for having a baby ripped from it's mother's arms?
I tell you something; if this god of yours does exist, he owes us an apology.
[quote]What matters surely, is what works. We know beyond any question of doubt that this method prevents unwanted pregnancies and therefore abortions. [/quote]
Purple Cow:
Let is take your argument done in the "Lily White" and sterile laborator of the Netherlands and make some observations of what we see.
First - THE DEMOGRAPHICS:
[quote]The majority of the population of the Netherlands are ethnically Dutch. A 2005 estimate counted: 80.9% Dutch, 2.4% Indonesian (Indo-Dutch, South Moluccan), 2.4% German, 2.2% Turkish, 2.0% Surinamese, 1.9% Moroccan, 0.8% Antillean and Aruban, and 6.0% others[/quote]
Now a PERSONAL Warning Statement: THERE IS NOT A CELL WITHIN ME that is a "Non-White White Supremacist" - assuming that White folks are superior and thus the results. I believe that this has all to do with MANAGEMENT toward a certain end and the subtle knowledge that GENETICALLY "We All We Got". They know that the consequence of them "getting it wrong" is genetic anialation.
Indeed the legacy of European expansionary aggression around the world allowed them to retain & build their culture but also to fund their institutions as ships filled with "booty" returned to their motherland.
What that out of the way, Cow - lets look at the Netherlands and VANCOUVER Canada - two overwhelmingly Caucasian dominated populaces. In the case of Vancover BC - few people note that this city has a higher HIV infection rate than does the majority Black cities of Washington DC and Baltimore Maryland.
As we add American RACIAL Politics to the mix, Purple Cow - the charges are that RACISM and denial of resources are the reason why DC and Baltimore are suffering so. With Vancouver being nearly lily White this argument is taken off of the table.
Now lets look at the commonality between Vancouver and the Neterlands. These overwhelmingly majority White environments have two populations that have higher HIV infection rates than the "white bread" norm:
"Men Sleeping With Men" and "Inter-venous Drug Users". To the delight of your good friend AB - I DO NOT assign an "evil spirit" onto the issue of MSM. This is a MECHANICAL issue where the EXCHANGE OF BODY FLUID in both cases IS THE PROBLEM. Both of these populations have more exposure to risk because of their more frequent exchange.
Your nation will not see an exploitation of any RACIAL angle on this situation because it is so lily White.
Again I challenge you to take your THEORIES of what works in the Netherlands and apply it to a land that has a backdrop of ENTRENCHED interests that would prevent such a cut and dry solution that you speak of from coming into play.
Just as I argue that Filled Negro and others who have favorable POWER in the present arrangement are also the one's who DEFEND the establishment powers within the Black community in America - MOST CERTAINLY is the case that there are others who don't wish to topple their own privilege in other cultures and countries.
Hell if I were a district chieftain who was living in a culture which says that I get to choose from five 21 year old virgins of my own choosing and they are NOT allowed to force me into wearing a condom - DO YOU THINK THAT I WOULD BE ADVOCATING FOR CHANGE?????
This is why so many of my debates against Filled Negro are centered upon TRANSPARENCY and EFFECTIVENESS all based upon some clearly articulated PERMANENT INTERESTS.
Man is given to promote selfish interests over most others. Instead of giving POWER to a man or a small group of humans - there needs to be agreement that the SYSTEM will be upheld and that no man can EVER become so popular or powerful that we collectively seek to defend his honor while THE AGGREGATE mass of people suffer from our unwillingness to change the anointed one.
As it relates to the "Endangered Species Black Kid" in America there are far too many people who defend the establishment ideology merely by ATTACKING those Blacks who put up the posters, claiming that they sound just like Right-Wing Republicans. Those leading this charge are forced to put aside their own rational sentiment and instead reforulate the argument in terms of REPUBLICAN/DEMOCRATIC politics.
Thus the label "Nice Try".
I bet purple cow is one of those who sex white women on a regular.
[quote]Life is a chemical process. You and I are an organization of chemical processes. When we die the atoms we have borrowed return to their natural state of chaos. Entropy increases - chemical processes stop.[/quote]
Oh great Purple One - I am one of those "conservatives" that loves the so called "science" documentaries on television. Though they are supposed to be distinguished from RELIGION because they don't depend on "Jesus HOCUS POCUS" this is INDEED what they are reduced to if we go back far enough.
SO HERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES FOR YOU Cow
1) Indeed we are all "element"/chemicals. This in itself means NOTHING.
I want you to tell me HOW it was that in a mash of CHEMICALS - a few of them ordered themselves and said "HEY - I bet if I reform myself as such that ANIMATION will take place and something that approximates LIFE will be formed".
Long story short - DON'T TELL ME ABOUT our chemical form.......tell me HOW the group of chemicals started to read GENETICS and then construct LIFE FORMS?
You answer this one and I will move to Amsterdam and smoke weed all day as I worship you as the new king of "Rasta".
2) SINCE WE ARE MERELY CHEMICALS - why do you abscribe VALUE to the life of a human? (Let's say a kid in Iraq that was murdered by the UK Army)? Indeed this carcass will dry out and will be returned to the closed system of the Earth. A new BEING will be chemically assembled later on - thus we suffer NO NET LOSS.
SURELY you are not into CHEMICAL WORSHIP are you?
TELL ME how you conclude that a molecule of OXYGEN found in the opticla nerve of YOUR BODY is worth more than another oxygen particle that is in urine excreted from the cat that I see stalking a bird in my back yard?
(If you and Filled Negro can't see the CONSEQUENCES of DISAGGREGATING the human as you defend your impious line of thinking then I am going to SERVE IT UP hot to you, making note of the gross contradictions in your ethos.
[quote]Now lets look at the commonality between Vancouver and the Neterlands (sic). These overwhelmingly majority White environments have two populations that have higher HIV infection rates than the "white bread" norm:[/quote]
No they don't, actually. but even if they did, so what?
Your logic baffles me. You appear to be arguing that because Nederland is 80% white, we cannot apply the lessons learned in the Netherlands to the population of the USA.
I'm sorry, I don't follow your logic at all. I'm sure you are going to argue that that's because I'm a dimwit, but not surprisingly I have to disagree.
I suspect you are simply throwing around red-herrings faster than Joel Garner on a flat-track at the WACA.
[quote CF]Again I challenge you to take your THEORIES of what works in the Netherlands and apply it to a land that has a backdrop of ENTRENCHED interests that would prevent such a cut and dry solution that you speak of from coming into play.[/quote]
These are not theories, they are proven statistical epidemiological facts.
Every nation has "entrenched interests", I don't see why that precludes those nations from learning from the experience of others.
What i am saying is, here is a system that works. The reason that it is not employed in the USA is because a coalition of political demagogs and religious bigots have so far stymied efforts by health education experts to get the job done.
Does that mean they/you/we should give up?
Does that mean we have to blame the kids for the mess this coalition of hate has left their lives in?
Society has failed these people, blaming the pregnant teenagers is simply shooting the messenger.
Alicia Banks is a stupid butch.
[quote]
No they don't, actually. but even if they did, so what?[/quote]
Maybe you didn't READ.
In BOTH the Netherlands and Vancouver the HIV infections are hitting the:
IVD user population ans the MSM populations.
Democracy Now's Report on VANCOUVER:
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/3/2/in_the_shadow_of_the_olympic
The point is CLEAR!!!!!!
You point to the Netherlands and its series of government engineering work that has resulted in favorable outcomes. I point to the fact that despite this change in the "white bread" portion of the entire population - that these two components of the overall population REMAIN negatively impacted by the consequences of infected "body fluid exchange".
[quoteCF]I point to the fact that despite this change in the "white bread" portion of the entire population - that these two components of the overall population REMAIN negatively impacted by the consequences of infected "body fluid exchange".[/quote]
So what?
How is that relevant to our debate?
Did I say that government intervention cures AIDS?
Nope.
[Quote; Constructive Feedback] Long story short - DON'T TELL ME ABOUT our chemical form.......tell me HOW the group of chemicals started to read GENETICS and then construct LIFE FORMS? You answer this one and I will move to Amsterdam and smoke weed all day as I worship you as the new king of "Rasta".[/quote]
It’s called abiogenesis. As I am sure you know amino acids, often referred to as "the building blocks of life", can form via natural chemical reactions unrelated to life, as demonstrated in the famous Miller–Urey experiment of 1952 which involved simulating the conditions of the early Earth, in a laboratory. In all living things, amino acids are organized into proteins, and this construction of these proteins is organized by nucleic acids. Which of these organic molecules turned up first and how they formed the first life is the main focus of the field of abiogenesis.
“Yes TPC, but which came first replication or metabolism,” I hear you ask. In the early days of abiogenesis theory, metabolism-first theories dominated, but more modern theories favor a replication-first approach.
The first living things on Earth were probably single cell prokaryotes (which lack a cell nucleus), which probably evolved from protobionts (organic molecules surrounded by a membrane-like structure.
I recommend Café Smokey on the Prins Hendrikkade.
field negro said...
"IF I FOUND YOU A SINGLE PERSON WHO
* Was AGAINST War
* Was AGAINST the Death Penalty
* AND Was AGAINST Abortion
Upon SEEING THIS PERSON identified before you.......WHAT WOULD YOUR REACTION BE?"
Mel, I don't know about you, but personally, I would faint.****
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FYI there is a whole group of folks out there who are against war, death penalty and abortion - they are called Mennonites (and the Amish and Brethren have similar thoughts) We don't go to war and we don't practice or advocate violence against anyone: including criminals and fetuses. Most of the people I grew up with are against these three things. You may now commence with fainting.
Here is a link to the Mennonite Confession of Faith. Check out article 22, "Peace, Justice and Nonresistance."
Oops forgot the link: http://www.mennolink.org/doc/cof/art.22.html
Peace to You, thanks for that. I must confess that I do not have any friends of the Mennonite faith.
I guess my Anon. friend above must be Amish or Mennonite.
Still, I thought that there was a debate within the Mennonite movement about the choice issue. Primarily because it is generally accepted that if abortions were to be made illegal there would be inequity -in terms of wealth- as to who would have access to it.
Maybe you can help me with that.
Thanks for the link.
"It’s called abiogenesis. As I am sure you know amino acids, often referred to as "the building blocks of life", can form via natural chemical reactions unrelated to life, as demonstrated in the famous Miller–Urey experiment of 1952 which involved simulating the conditions of the early Earth, in a laboratory. In all living things, amino acids are organized into proteins, and this construction of these proteins is organized by nucleic acids. Which of these organic molecules turned up first and how they formed the first life is the main focus of the field of abiogenesis."
Purple Cow, how dare you? That is not in the bible.:)
[quote]beyond what Republican policies have done to the black community![/quote]
AgentX:
With the Democrats controlling:
* The Schools
* The Police Forces
* The Economic & Tax Policies
* The Social Mores
in EVERY SINGLE Black voting district where Black folks make up 35% + of the voting base CAN YOU TELL ME ONE SINGLE POLICY that the evil, racist Republicans have implemented that has a detrimental impact upon Black people? (Not NONE that demand THE CONFISCATION OF PRIVATE PROPERTY across voter district lines that is).
[quote]private people are REAL PEOPLE, government people are not. Is that what you are saying?[/quote]
GET THEE BEHIND ME FILLED NEGRO!!!!!!!!!
You aren't just playing dumb - are you?
IF YOU CAN'T SEE the difference between "GOVERNMENT POLICY initiated 'progression' versus "CULTURALLY INITIATED PROGRESS" I have no answer for you in your present consciousness.
Filled Negro - yesterday I was on "Memorial Drive" in Decatur GA (AKA "Cynthia McKinney Dr)
I was looking for a "Final Call" per my research to understand - WHAT THE HECK kind of organization is the NOI? (Is it a Leftist Organization per its articles? Or is it a Black Right Wing organization per its actions?)
The first Muslim Lady which had a bunch of "Hip Hop Voice Of The Street Pirate CDs" that were PIRATED along with "Barack Obama t-shirts" sent me to Flea Market down the street.
I brought my camera with me as I toured the flea market. It wasn't that I saw various "Barack Obama gear" along with "Pants On The Ground" clothing. The problem was that nearly EVERY DAMNED BOOTH that was selling such gear had a KOREAN in it!!!!!!!!!!
To Mellaneous' delight I even got pictures of a few t-shirts featuring "Ben Franklin" as GANGSTA!!!!!!
Again the KOREANS knew what the NEGROES WHERE INCLINED TO BUY and they had the largest stalls with all the gear laid out.
Filled Negro - it is one thing to be an ANARCHIST REBEL against the MAN and the SYSTEM. At least you can express a bit of consciousness and NOT be the last step in the global supply chain straight from Korea.
Do you not see that YOU and other Progressive-Fundamentalists have been focusing our people on the POLITICAL FIGHT.
In the VOID that you all have left in the COMMERCIAL space of the Black community - OTHERS have come in to provide you with your retail desires.
The money merely is not retained BY YOUR COMMUNITY.
IF you can't see the difference between the GOVERNMENT SERVICING YOU as compared to the ORGANIZED GROUP OF CONSCIOUS PEOPLE WHO PLOT THEIR OWN COURSE then there is nothing more that I can say to you.
Field, "I guess my Anon. friend above must be Amish or Mennonite."
No, I am not, but I do love the Amish people and their way of life. I am just a person who tries to follows 5 precepts as guidelines to my daily life- for living harmoniously in the world with others:
1. don't kill
2. don't steal
3. don't engage in sexual misconduct
4. don't lie
5. don't ingest intoxicants that cloud the mind, or engage in selling human flesh, or sell arms.
Again, I am very surprised that you have never met any person who was against war, against the death penalty, and against abortion. I believe that there are many such people in America, and I bet there are a few readers on this blog.
I have friends who are partners in a law firm in Philly...they are ALL against war, the death penalty and against abortion. Btw, one is a criminal lawyer who you probably know.
But if your experience with people has been those who justify killing for one reason or another in any one of the three areas, then of course, you would not know of such people.
You really should consider broadening your horizon with people.:)
CF "I brought my camera with me as I toured the flea market. It wasn't that I saw various "Barack Obama gear" along with "Pants On The Ground" clothing. The problem was that nearly EVERY DAMNED BOOTH that was selling such gear had a KOREAN in it!!!!!!!!!!"
the same thing is happening out West, in Oakland, Richmond, Sacramento, LA and San Diego. I bet it's all over America, even in Chicago and Detroit.
The Koreans and Vietnamese are creative hard working entrepreneurs, and they know what Blacks want. They are moving up the financial ladder with help of Blacks buying gangsta crap from them! it's pathetic.
Thiis is my problem with the "science" religion. At some point, science also has to say that they dont know. Science is not an absolute. Just because we dont have the "science" to prove something exists doesnt meant that it doesnt exist. Just like them finding the quark after they thought electrons, nuetrons and protons were the only subatomic particles. And the question will always be, whether science or religion, who or what created that "thing" to be created? No one will ever be able to answer that question.
[quote Anony]Thiis is my problem with the "science" religion.[/quote]
Science is not a religion. In science the conclusion comes at the end of the argument. In religion it is the beginning. In science there is no a priori knowledge, claims are based on testing and observations. These claims can be changed if additional information or observation comes is discovered.
Religion starts with the claim and that never changes, even when new knowledge is acquired.
Changing your mind is a virtue in science, in religion it is a flaw.
Thats the thing, in true Christianity it is a virtue as well. We are always working to be more like Christ and things that were previously beleived by oneself is challenged by the scriptures. As I study the scriptures "Bible" the more I change about myself; beliefs previously held are dismantled by the Word. There is a higher calling that can really never be obtained, bc we can never ve without sin as Christ was, but we can always grow and be better than we previously were.
The reason I call science a religion is that there are things that can still not be proven, but things that are believed bc someone said it. Belief, without proof, is called faith. And that happens in science as well.
For the record, not every person who is anti-abortion is a right wing nut. I am voting bearly religeous Democrat who happens to be...
anti-war
anti-death penalty
anti-abortion
I have one question though, why is it when people defend abrotion they always claim that it's only a glob of tissue when we ALL know that not every abortion consist of a glob of tissue rather small humanbeings with hands, and feet and eyes, ect. and in some cases are capable of functioning outside of the womb with a little assistance.
I mean people can get angry and hate me for my stance on this issue but I ask who is really being emotional? Sometimes it's about more than simply "rights" sometimes it about being responsible enough to NOT get to the point of ever needing an abortion in the first place. With all the contraceptives available to the American public in this day and age, I'm certain it's not impossible as some would have us believe.
Also, has anyone donea sudy to show what demographic is really having abortions?
Preteens?
Teens?
Young Adults in their early to mid twenties?
Women who are older ect?
I may be mistaken but I'm not so sure that these abortions are being had by "poor" women, that is unless some states offer them at little to no cost. From my understanding, the cost for abortions range from 300 to 800 dollars or more. I mean a poor person can scrape up this amount to end a pregnancy, and in some cases more than one, but can't scrape up 4 bucks or better, visit the free clinic to prevent it in the first place?
For the record, not every person who is anti-abortion is a right wing nut. I am voting bearly religeous Democrat who happens to be...
anti-war
anti-death penalty
anti-abortion
I have one question though, why is it when people defend abrotion they always claim that it's only a glob of tissue when we ALL know that not every abortion consist of a glob of tissue rather small humanbeings with hands, and feet and eyes, ect. and in some cases are capable of functioning outside of the womb with a little assistance.
I mean people can get angry and hate me for my stance on this issue but I ask who is really being emotional? Sometimes it's about more than simply "rights" sometimes it about being responsible enough to NOT get to the point of ever needing an abortion in the first place. With all the contraceptives available to the American public in this day and age, I'm certain it's not impossible as some would have us believe.
Also, has anyone donea sudy to show what demographic is really having abortions?
Preteens?
Teens?
Young Adults in their early to mid twenties?
Women who are older ect?
I may be mistaken but I'm not so sure that these abortions are being had by "poor" women, that is unless some states offer them at little to no cost. From my understanding, the cost for abortions range from 300 to 800 dollars or more. I mean a poor person can scrape up this amount to end a pregnancy, and in some cases more than one, but can't scrape up 4 bucks or better, visit the free clinic to prevent it in the first place?
[quote;Anon]The reason I call science a religion is that there are things that can still not be proven, but things that are believed bc someone said it.[/quote]
Wrong, that is absolutely not how science works.
[quote:Anon]Belief, without proof, is called faith. And that happens in science as well.[/quote]
Total nonsense.
You are confusing the religious meaning of faith, (trust that a supernatural entity exists without corroborated evidence) for another meaning, faith as ordinary belief that is reasonable and has evidence.
Scientific claims are tested and when found to be weak they are changed or discarded. Thus any scientific claim or theory that has stood the test of time, has been rigourously tested and subject to all manner of questioning. You probably don't remember being born, but you can reasonably believe you were, due to other peoples reports who were there at the time, and your Dad's video evidence. There is strong evidence behind well known scientific claims which makes belief in the claims reasonable.
Religious faith has no such concrete evidence, it is not subject to rigourous scrutiny and cannot be said to be not falsifiable. For example, you may feel god speaks to you, but this is not evidence of god. You have to consider all the possibilities, which is the most likely and which has the most convincing evidence. Something which religious faith disqualifies you from doing.
Religious faith is the opposite of faith in a scientific claim.
Man, I wish I saw this post on Friday, cause you know Ive got a lot to say about this subject. But, alas, Im too late and all the crazies have clogged your comments. Sorry!
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Great Post...Ther problem with the "black community" isnt the fact that too little children are born, it is the fact that there are not enough resources to support the children that are already here.
"But science can only be created by those who are thouroughly imbued with the aspiration toward truth and understanding. This source of feeling, however, springs from the sphere of religion. To this there also belongs faith in the possibility that the regulations valid for the world of existence are rational, that is, comprehensible to reason. I cannot conceive of a genuine scientist without that PROFOUND FAITH.(emphasis mine) The situation may be expressed by an image:science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." (Albert Einstein, 1941)
Classic piece of deliberate point missing there Anonny baby.
And I hope you are not trying to suggest that Einstein was a Christian.
Read this:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/may/12/peopleinscience.religion
Purple Cow, you might find this interesting listening of an interview of Francis Collins, a renowned geneticist:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9207913
Peace,
the poster
I wasnt talking about Christianity. I was talking about the knowledge that there is something out there more than what you claim there to be. A higher existence. Even at the bottom of the article you posted, it said that Einstein wasnt an athiest; thats what we were talking about.
fn:
seen this?
bam!
this is what abortion is really about:
http://newsone.com/nation/associated-press/more-minority-babies-will-be-born-than-white-babies-this-year/
[quote: Anon]it said that Einstein wasnt an athiest;{/quote]
Yes, and he was wrong about quantum mechanics as well.
As science is a lot of the time!
Grow up
Purple Cow, "Yet you choose to believe in an omnipotent, omnipresent God who allows a tsunami to rip a new born baby out of it's mother's arms.
Why?
Well it suits God's purpose.
What is God's purpose?
Well, we are not allowed to know, apparently.
Is that what passes for rationality these days?"
I never claimed any of the above statements. So where did you get your info from and why are ascribing them to me?
I am not the same anon re: Einstein, but you seem unscientific in your assumptions and conclusions.
the poster
Confucious he say - "Man who posts on websites anonymously because he's too fucking lazy or too scared to build his own online identity deserves to be misinterpreted."
America’s finale of self-destruction is imminent.
Tyranny destroys life and liberty. It has no desire for the pursuit of happiness, only power.
The founders confronted tyranny head on and brought forth America bound with the legal framework that would ensure its progeny; life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Lofty attributes to be maintained with religious righteousness and an armed citizenry to confront moral and physical evil assaults against the nation from without or from within. To keep the nation morally and physically capable of survival it must “Trust in God.”
Three years short of the bi-centennial America accepted self-imposed tyranny. It was subtle but every bit as real as if the country had been invaded. The loss of life and liberty would prove to be without parallel in America’s history. The legal framework was shattered and the self-destruction of its progeny was allowed. What we formerly cherished and protected became hated and inconvenient. Plainly, tyranny the most diabolical, destruction of innocent human life, without due process!
The hypocrisy of “first trimester” and a woman’s right to privacy would violate the life and liberty of an innocent, unique individual, totally dependent on the legal fabric called America. America spoke and due process for our unborn was undone. Tyranny took hold of the fabric called America. It would do it in. Quickly politicians perceived the acceptance of the deadly moral and physical assault by the citizens, against the innocence they created.
One political party soon adopted the diabolical plank of political correctness; “abortion on demand.” The years passed and “first trimester” passed into legal limbo, and killing our unborn reached the inevitable diabolical conclusion; partial birth abortion! Outrage is non-existent and the political will to end the tyrannical carnage is also non-existent. Political correctness is invading all else that was formerly sacred including “Trust in God”, religion, schools, courts, the work place, immigration, you name it, as it continues its tyrannical assault on the fabric called America.
“Hope and Change” the stealth candidate, was crystal clear on his determination to keep the tyranny permanent! “I will not yield” was received with resounding acclimation by his followers, who wittingly or unwittingly shared his antipathy for due process when innocent human life was in mortal danger. He stated his antipathy also for Bibles and guns. His formative years were spent in foreign lands, not in America, where he learned from those who may not have been in love with America. His academic records have been sealed from scrutiny as it seems that such transparency is un-necessary to understand his vision for America. While he shrugged off some unsavory past associates he still appoints those who share what he learned and promotes. The stealth candidate revealed nothing prior to his election; lofty platitudes were endless but specific plans were totally absent. Credentials of appointees and the administrative apparatus he is constructing now give a clearer picture of where he wishes to take America and he is.
America, unrepentant, will not yield either and it is the un-said death wish that is surely coming to pass. The years of self destructive tyranny have finally been consummated with the leader Americans truly desired and deserved. He will not fail the nation he envisions but America will have passed. It is inevitable. America severed its relationship with the Creator in 1973 and the legal framework of America turned into the quicksand of defeat.
Purple Cow, "Confucious he say - "Man who posts on websites anonymously because he's too fucking lazy or too scared to build his own online identity deserves to be misinterpreted."
Wow, such a mean-spirited person you are. Life must be very hard for you.
Whather a person is Anonymous or a Constructive Feedback or AB, you have proven that you still can't understand.
I suspect your IQ is too low to interpret anything correctly.
Goodbye purple moron.
So let's see...
judgmental - check
self-righteous - check
smug - check
superior - check
sarcastic - check
prone to launching ad hominem attacks - check
Yep, you're a christian, all right.
Purple Cow said, "Confucious he say - "Man who posts on websites anonymously because he's too fucking lazy or too scared to build his own online identity deserves to be misinterpreted."
Who's sarcastic, judgmental, self-righteous, prone to ad hominem attacks and Christian?
Who are you trying to kid?
You ARE Christian, even though you reject it. You have been badly damaged by your own religion, which you unconsciously project on others...LOL
Have fun on whatever weird planet you inhabit, annony. Should you ever decide to visit planet Earth give us a call.
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