Last week I was driving into work and listening to conservative talk radio (Keep your friends close and your enemies closer) and you should have heard how they were going on and on about this crisis with the pirates. You would have thought that the Somalians had overrun America. They were all over his O ness for not speaking up about the Americans being held hostage and they wanted action, now.
Bill Bennett, on his show, was declaring that this was the defining foreign policy moment in the O man's presidency, and comparing it to Kennedy's Cuban Missile Crisis. Conservative blogs were buzzing and they could smell blood in the water. ( No pun intended) That Obama is no more than a panty waist. He is clueless when it comes to these issues, Reagan would have told those Pirates to free the American hostages or else. The guy is just another Jimmy Carter. It's all because he bowed to their King why they can take these liberties with our people. And on it went.
Well today, thanks to the work of the US Navy, Captain Richard Phillips is free, his O ness is looking golden, and once again, the haters are left with egg on their faces. I know the wing nuts are pretending that they are happy that this crises had a peaceful and happy ending, but let's keep it real, they are not.
I can't wait to hear how the reich wing talking heads spin this one. It was all the work of the Navy, if it wasn't for Captain Phillips jumping in the water Obama would still be twiddling his thumbs. Obama needs to go after the Pirates on land now and teach them all a lesson. But he won't do it, he is too soft. Forget the fact that these pirates have been terrorising shipping lanes around the Horn of Africa for years, and you never heard a peep out of these clowns when the frat boy was in charge. But now they want his O ness to nuke the entire Eastern part of the continent of Africa. Unbelievable!
And as it turns out, Obama was in contact with the military all along, and he did give the go ahead to go Jack Bauer on the pirate crew. He called Mr. Phillips to wish him well and tell him what a hero he was and he issued a statement about the incident: "Mr Obama said capt Phillips had courage that was "a model for all Americans".
Check mate, once again, to his Oness. But it's 's another week, and I am sure the wingnuts will find something else to get all fired up about.
Well, let's see now, the White House dog's name is "Bo". Maybe they can start there.
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The right wingers must be shittin' bricks right around now. In the dictionary next to the phrase, "Walk softly and carry a big stick," Obama just replaced Teddy Roosevelt. God damn it, we can't call him a liberal faggot anymore! Ha ha ha ha ha!!
Field, go to my boy Tigerhawk--he and his ilk are whining and nit picking about this crap already, not giving O man his due.
As I said on his blog, these wingnuts didn't care about the Horn before 1/20, or before they all got together to manufacture yet another bullshit issue. These negroes from Somalia might as well have been Johnny Depp/Capt jack Sparrow on the Black Pearl. They also knew this was not Stephen Decatur fighting the Barbary Pirates "on the shores of Tripoli." That didn't matter. it was just something else under which to attack O man.
Field:
"Well, let's see now, the White House dog's name is "Bo". Maybe they can sart there."
That's funny!
Nah, they're going to start nitpicking the story about Obama's brother to pieces. Probably call in an amateur head shrink( a person who is unlicensed), a body language expert(a person with serious issues of their own) to see if this is a trait in Obama's family.
Or really get worked up about making burning books out of a real issue.
Or call for investigation Malia and Sasha's new dog and claim that the dog is a spy or communist infilitrator.
Or that Michelle Obama's clothes designer discriminates against women who wear sleeves.
Whatever, they come up with next will be psychologically dysfunctional.
Grinder:
LOL!
Would've been easy if Capt Phillips had been "collateral damage." There isn't much we can do about the pirates in the short term except run ships in protected convoys. The pirates could decide to blow up an oil tanker as an example if we started bombing the mainland. The Somalia coastline is huge. & they'll continue to prey upon fishing trawlers.
thanks for this post..I was relieved that Obama was in charge for this one- if it had been bush- can you imagine ??? omg....what a mess-he would have been blathering on tv and there would have been tough cowboy vs argh pirate talk....
Obama handled it cool calm and no drama...and we know it was done with care....
and yeah the wingynuts are still going nuts- by the day...and yes, now the dog will send them into fits...
Christopher, you peeked my curiosity, so I went over to Fox to see the comments section... sure enough, they are criticizing Obama for not speaking out before it was over... or saying he had nothing to do with it..... man, these fools can't just for once say, thankfully this turned out and Obama handled this well.
While I am happy that it is over, I will nitpik one thing you said Field, this did not end peacefully for the 3 pirates that were killed.
I do realize they brought this on themselves, I still cannot cheer the death of others... no matter what the reason. Relief yes, cheer no.
I question the timing... Kidding, just kidding. Nice job by everyone and good for recruiting too. szpork
The sniper call was quite bad-ass, I must say.
I can see it now. Hannity. Limbaugh. O'Reilly.
"Bo? Really? Why not a real American name like Spot or Jagermeister?"
Btw, I have dibs on Jagermeister.
Sorry but these right wing nuts jobs believes the Somalians started hijacking ships last week for them to started ranting and raving. Oh, did i forget to mentioned it was an American ship. Transporting weapons sorry I mean food Supplies to Kenya.
"Well, let's see now, the White House dog's name is "Bo". Maybe they can sart there."
Yeah...Like why did the Obamas have to get a black dog? Why couldn't it be a white dog? Are the Obamas speaking code to black people by getting a black dog?
/snark :)
I am so tired of hearing about the new pup coming to the White House. Get the dog already. How much longer do I have to hear and read about the White House doggie?? I don't care.
Whoo, I feel better now that I got that off my chest.
enigma4ever:
"if it had been bush- can you imagine ???"
Lawd help, he would have probably brought out the latest edition of "My Pet Goat", and passed around another slice of cake.
Granny gone have to sprinkle a little blessed oil on her bedpost tonight so I won't have nightmares thinking about it. (wink and smile)
Filled Negro:
I as a Black Conservative am overjoyed that the American Imperialist Military Powers were present in this part of the world to make an assault against forces that threatened America's interests.
Today many needy East Africans will receive relief supplies that where put at risk by these nasty pirates.
I am happy that the US Special Forces put a sniper bullet between their eyes.
Indeed, Filled Negro, a new day has dawned upon America!!!
Hours after a military operation executed by American forces there are no leftists demanding the prosecution of American soldiers. Do you think that these Somalian pirates were read their miranda rights over a loudspeaker before being put out of their misery?
Don't speak too fast though. Tune in to Atlanta's WRFG on Friday evening (www.wrfg.org). I suspect that these Black Nationalists are going to attack Obama for this deed. These, your friends on the left might say something to the effect of "Barack Obama valued the life of one White American man over the lives of 3 Africans who were shot in the head". (I am not making this up as being a likely viewpoint that they will put forth).
The question remains, Filled Negro, is to ask why YOU HAVE CHANGED in regard to the use of American Imperialist power around the world?
Justice 58:
"Yeah...Like why did the Obamas have to get a black dog? Why couldn't it be a white dog? Are the Obamas speaking code to black people by getting a black dog?"
LOL! That was a good one and sounds about right.
[quote].I was relieved that Obama was in charge for this one- if it had been bush- can you imagine ??? omg....what a mess-he would have been blathering on tv and there would have been tough cowboy vs argh pirate talk....
Obama handled it cool calm and no drama...and we know it was done with care....[/quote]
enigma4ever:
How do you substantiate your claim when at the end of the day THE VERY SAME MILITARY that was in place less than 100 years ago is present now?
It appears that you are projecting YOUR OWN analysis upon this situation than anything in particular that you could point to.
Just to go down with more granularity - If we can agree that the interdiction plan for this situation was created and executed by the regional commanders AND the knowledge that SOMALIA HAS NO OPERATING GOVERNMENT......stepping outside of your little fantasy - could you tell me exactly what would have been different had this same thing happened 100 days ago aside from a different signature on the permission slip to go ahead?
Lawd help, he would have probably brought out the latest edition of "My Pet Goat", and passed around another slice of cake.
Granny gone have to sprinkle a little blessed oil on her bedpost tonight so I won't have nightmares thinking about it. (wink and smile)
LOL
Granny you're too cute and funny!
Here's what the wingnuts are going to do: They will confine 100% of their praise to the Navy itself, and mutter around the edges that Obama invited the piracy by conciliatory statements in Europe. They'll also snipe if the U.S. brings the one surviving pirate back to the U.S. to be put on trial.
Too bad the Somali guys had to die but they made the decision to challenge the Prez. O is a bad man!
This was a wonderful day for A-murder-ca. Not only did we rescue a hostage without collateral damage, but we showed the world we will take action when pushed around.
Nice way to go South Side on those pirates, Mr. President.
This is classic Obama . Since things turned out well, his administration makes it seem like they gave the go-ahead to take the pirates out. If things had gone bad, the administration would have claimed they didn't authorize the attack and that the on-scene commander was to blame.
givehimamask:
"I can see it now. Hannity. Limbaugh. O'Reilly.
"Bo? Really? Why not a real American name like Spot or Jagermeister?"
LOL! Yup, Yup, Yup. (Granny nodding her head in agreement)
Justice58:
Laughter is good medicine for the soul. (smile)
This is classic Obama . Since things turned out well, his administration makes it seem like they gave the go-ahead to take the pirates out. If things had gone bad, the administration would have claimed they didn't authorize the attack and that the on-scene commander was to blame.
President Obama did it! He got his swagger on! BAM!
Who'd a thunk it?, a BLACK President and he's deployin WHITE Snipers to shoot BLACK guys...
He's got my vote for 2016...
Now if he'll just do that in the A-T-L
Frank
I know the next election's in 2012, I'm talkin about a 3rd Term...
Frank:
LOL!
Now lets see how we all react if General O goes ghetto on those pirates in our inner cities who, surprisingly enough, look exactly like the ones who got deep sixed today?
These ghetto pirates are holding hostage an entire race of black children even as we speak. Poisoning them with drugs, social bile and stitches for snitches. Will El Presedente give the OK for their trip to the bottom? More importantly will all of you sing him praises as youre doing today?
Think about it. Three black lives to save one white one. How many will be OK to save this generation?
Im gonna go out on a limb and say NONE!
Is President Obama the police chief, police commissioner, the mayor, governor. Did they do away with the chain of command protocol? Is President Obama now required to do their job as well as his?
Since, your going out on the limb on this one and have elected yourself our spokesman/spokeswoman could you answer that question for me please?
Anon 11:57, that's about as pathetic as it gets. I sure hope that your buddy Rushbo tries that one on the radio tomorrow.
Since, your going out on the limb on this one and have elected yourself our spokesman/spokeswoman could you answer that question for me please?
Granny, don't wait for an answer. He doesn't have one. They have no ideas, no plans, just criticism. Remember that budget plan....with NO numbers?
BWA HA HA HA HA HA
Here is something interesting for you folks to read.
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/what-international-media-isnt-telling
Thanks Obama, that was a wonderful Easter present...superb. As President, you are looking very good.
Those pirates now know that their lives are at the highest risk when they screw around with A-murder-ca!
B#
mysterious European ships started appearing off the coast of Somalia, dumping vast barrels into the ocean. The coastal population began to sicken. At first they suffered strange rashes, nausea and malformed babies. Then, after the 2005 tsunami, hundreds of the dumped and leaking barrels washed up on shore. People began to suffer from radiation sickness, and more than 300 died.
Granny, I just read this at Jack and Jill Politics today.
Just dump toxic waste on the black folks? No clean-up. No compensation. Then stealing their food supply. How are they going to live?
And you wonder why some resort to piracy?
I'm justifying piracy but damn!
Anonymous 1:16:
Did you go read that article for the link I gave. Also, go to and read the link at the bottom on that article that is given.
Sorry but that post should be..
I'm not justifying piracy but damn!
Justice58:
Granny is thinking the same thing. Right is right and wrong is wrong. See, this is what I mean about the news media not reporting news and leaving folks uninformed. No one knew about that story, it was kept hush, hush.
I can't help wondering if what happened in Mogadishu and black hawk down is in the back of someone's mind?
Hmmmmmm.....
In other words they were fighting back to survive from an injustice being done to them. Smh!
The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water— the name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter.
In other words they were fighting back to survive from an injustice being done to them. Smh!
Exactly!
The coastal population began to sicken. At first they suffered strange rashes, nausea and malformed babies.
Who wouldn't fight back for an injustice this horrific! People dying from f-ing toxic waste and having malformed babies!
I know I shouldn't be doing this but I'm going to go fix me a plate and eat. I don't usually eat this late at night, but I was thinking about how good that smoke turkey was this evening.
Granny,
Thanks for the article. The Europeans have been dumping their toxic wastes in Somalian waters, and stealing their seafood for years. It was from sheer hardship and desperation that Somalian pirates evolved. It is only natural that the Somalian people see them as a kind of 'Robin Hood'.
The media won't talk about it because it is too shameful to admit that they have taken advantage of a poor helpless country. They certainly don't want to look small in the eyes of the world, which they truly are. Additionally, the Europeans have never valued the lives of Africans anyway. So don't expect the media to be concerned about Somalian lives. Their media is like the media here... Blacks get killed everyday but don't make the news either, unless there is some advantage to do so. Heck, there have been black children missing for years that have never made the news here.
However, I am hoping at some point, Obama will challenge those European countries about their shameless greedy unconscionable acts. Meanwhile, I hope those pirates will leave us alone because we are their only chance for help. Otherwise, they will force Obama to hand them their butts, like today.
B#
thanks for the above explanation of the somalis plight - saved me doing it!..
i have been siding with the pirates precisely because of this.. have rolled around with glee at their boldness and sheer audacity (i do so love a true david and goliath tale..)
yes.. this may be a way for obama to reach out to and help 'black africa' as opposed to 'arab africa'..
maybe this is where hilary can start to earn her keep...
You know how we'll know that Obama is a truly great leader? If, in the next couple of weeks, he comes out and tells the Europeans that they've got to join an anti-piracy effort AND cut the crap they've been pulling off the coast of Somalia.
Oh, Field, the little dog's working miracles. Bo is bringing conservatives and progressives together under the banner "Obama broke a campaign promise to get a shelter dog." ;-)
The question remains, Filled Negro, is to ask why YOU HAVE CHANGED in regard to the use of American Imperialist power around the world?"
Nope, those pirates were acting like Imperialists. Stealing food supplies meant for their fellow Africans, and holding it in order to make $ from the ransom. Sounds like your type of folks.
Yep, his O ness did the right thing to order a hit on those clowns. They were acting like republicans.;)
Granny, thanks for that link. It helps us all to understand how nuanced the world is.
"The rescue of the Captian was NO Cuban Missle Crisis and it's ludicrious to compare the two."
Tell that to the likes of Bill Bennett and the Unconstructive one. I know my world history.
OMG....unconstructive...please take your meds..
[quote]Tell that to the likes of Bill Bennett and the Unconstructive one. I know my world history.[/quote]
Gee Thanks Filled Negro. I am honored.
You have to understand something: In the inspection of the reactions to this event I am seeing the most CHANGE from the left.
I am pleased in it.
No Anti-American military protests.
No demands that our military who executed the operation be brought up on murder charges because they didn't get permission from the United Nations AND because the "murder" took place in Somalian waters (20 miles from their shore)
Filled Negro - the fact that your ideological soul mates are happy that America had to use military force to protect America's interest TRUMPS my observation that your joy and scrutiny is all based on WHO sits in the Commander In Chief chair.
If you had your way the 50 caliber sniper gun and bullets that were likely used to split these 3 African's heads like watermelons would have been banned.
I am overjoyed that you too have nationalist spirits after years of seeing you piss on our armed forces.
There IS not downside to this for me, Filled Negro.
(Side note - a person with far more credibility to me than you suggested that I stop calling you 'Filled Negro' and stop attacking you. I told this person that it is not HOW I communicate to you that is the problem but instead you don't like what I am saying and won't be satisfied until I agree with you.
I am sure that as a defense attorney who has allowed a person who had attacked someone's child go free - you have been called worse than anything that I have called you so I am sure you have alligator skin and my antics don't bother you.)
Does everyone realize just how difficult it would be to hit a man-sized target from a few hundred yards away. Not an easy task. I know because I served and thankfully the only "men" my country called on me to fire upon were made of paper and plastic.
Picture this: Navy snipers were firing at multiple targets in a boat that was riding on waves presumably, but they are also on a moving platform themselves (naval vessels). That is not an easy shot and that American merchant captain owes his life to the skill, speed and precision of those navy snipers.
Constructive Feedback: If you had your way the 50 caliber sniper gun and bullets that were likely used to split these 3 African's heads like watermelons would have been banned.
It sounds to me you have some fantasies playing out in your head of violent acts towards members of your own race.
I believe in the old maxim that if you live by the sword you die by the sword as these Somali men found out. It didn't help their situation that they went after the wrong bee hive.
Forgive me but almost sounds like you get a thrill picturing the violent death of these individuals. If that is the case may I humbly suggest you seek out professional help not only for your violent fantasies but also for your self-loathing nature. But presumably you will fall back to an "us-them" mentality and claim you spoke of your country's enemies and took pride in our predominantly white armed force swiftly killing a disproportionate BLACK force.
Please. Get help.
Off topic:
Friend of mine was almost arrested in Boston the other day. He apparently went into a dive bar he'd never been to near Northeastern University. (Disclaimer: my friend is a jacked 40yo Black man who loves his Yankees) He walked in and had a drink. Apparently a drunken college kid began heckling my friend. My friend ignored the young man and tried to move to another table. The college kid then proceeded to push my jacked friend. (Do you see where this is going?)
When the cops showed up the proceeded to pull my friend off of the college kid and handcuff him. He would have been calling me to bail him out had not the bartender come forward and explained the situation to the BPD. College kid was arrested and the BPD then had to escort my friend to safety as the kid's friends wanted a piece of my friend.
I told my friend he is indebted to that bartender. And partially I guess to the BPD patrolmen for their rational thinking and protection. Had they been out to punish a black man for laying a hand on a white man he would be in jail regardless of the circumstances.
C'mon Y'all
admit it, if Bush/Cheney had Popped 3 Flip-Flop wearing Somali's you'd be marchin on Washington again...
at least I'm consistant... I don't care if it's Barney Frank shootin Pirates...as long as he uses a gun..
Frank
Hey Field,
That conservative guy, constructive Feedback kind of got you on that one. How do you justify American imperialism just cause the black guy's in charge? Hypocrisy. But what's a couple more dead negroes when it's time to flex.
Nor does anyone mention that Europeans have been dumping their toxic and nuclear waste on the Somali coast for decades. see http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article418665.ece, and http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2008/10/2008109174223218644.html, and http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/2009/04/12/untold-stories-about-somalia-pirates-european-ships-dump-nuclear-waste-into-somalia-ocean/.
The west has been effing over these folks for years. Who gives a shit about malformed Somali babies when some one's threatening our commerce?
You da man Obama!
The Obama's did show racial insensitivity by not getting a white dog.
Justice58 sez - I'm justifying piracy but damn!
The Somalians and Yemenis have been Pirates for several hundred years. The only thing new here is that they are attacking large ships.
These are also the same folks that were attacking and stealing AID shipments during the famine in the early 90's, as well as murdering AID workers - resulting in the starvation deaths of tens of thousands of their fellow countrymen.
The dumping accusation is true, however - the same Somali Warlords had a major hand in the operation -
Following the massive tsunami of December 2004, there have also emerged allegations that after the outbreak of the Somali Civil War in the late 1980s, Somalia's long, remote shoreline was used as a dump site for the disposal of toxic waste. The huge waves which battered northern Somalia after the tsunami are believed to have stirred up tonnes of nuclear and toxic waste that was illegally dumped in the country by several European firms. The European Green Party followed up these revelations by presenting before the press and the European Parliament in Strasbourg copies of contracts signed by two European companies -- the Italian Swiss firm, Achair Partners, and an Italian waste broker, Progresso -- and representatives of the Somali warlords then in power, to accept 10 million tonnes of toxic waste in exchange for $80 million (then about £60 million).
Insofar as shooting the pirates - it probably was a bad idea. Up until now, the pirates have been careful not to kill ships crew, and have treated them well in captivity. This may escalate the violence level against the crews, who are almost always unarmed.
Lastly, the Porch Simian's wet dream about 50 cal sniper rifles is nothing more than the usual psychotic ramblings of an idiot. The shots were taken at a distance of 30 yards by SEALS, probably with Knight SR25 "Stoner" 7.62 x 51 mm Sniper Rifles -
http://www.knightarmco.com/images/sr25.html
Which are standard armament for SEAL Sniper teams.
Breaking News
MSNBC
Somalia Insurgents Fire Mortars Towards US Congressman Payne In Mogadishu
No One Hurt.
Just got back from spending time in rural Texas, aka Wingnut Ground Zero. To them, Mr. O is black and a Muslim, so he's in cahoots with the Somali pirates. Really. Or he's taking his time because he has to think (as if there's something wrong with that) and Bush would've reacted right away. SO, after victory, this is how they react:
If it were Bush:
Go Bush! No one messes with our tough President.
Reaction to Obama's victory:
USA! USA! Go SEALs!
Now about that dog being black.....you folks must have selective vision. Look again: That pup is black AND white. What could be more appropriate?
woof.
He is so cool! I love that he is inner-directed and does his thing--screw the reich wing.
What? Payne thought his dumb black ass was somehow protected in the "motherland"?
If this was infact the defining moment in foreign policy that V.P Biden warned about (I don't believe it is, by the way), then well played President O-man....well played!
One of the reasons why I enjoy your blog SO MUCH is because you're always writing what I'm thinking...at the exact moment that I'm thinking it. The next time I fart, I'm going to blog about it. Then I'll sit back and observe how long it will take for the folks on the right to blame our Prez for my flatulence. When will the madness cease. Perhaps it's just beginning....
Glad to see this particular event is over with, but something needs to be done concerning Somalia's current condition. The piracy issues have been discussed for a while (it's not just them!). I wish the AU, not the EU, could get control of this.
Very Good FN Very good. Alls well that end well.
something needs to be done concerning Somalia's current condition.
Definitely. They need to clean up the damn toxic waste and stop stealing these poor people's food supply!!!!!!!!!
"(Side note - a person with far more credibility to me than you suggested that I stop calling you 'Filled Negro' and stop attacking you. I told this person that it is not HOW I communicate to you that is the problem but instead you don't like what I am saying and won't be satisfied until I agree with you."
Constructive Feedback, you should take the advice of the 'person with far more credibility', because YOU sir, are one mean-spirited ill-willed yapping jackal. As commented to you yesterday in the April 8 thread (Anon@10:07pm) -your barbed comments at Field are about YOU, not Field.
You don't recognize YOUR OWN projections. You keep calling Field, "filled Negro", but it is YOU who is 'filled' with your own pathetic self-centered shallow ego. It's unfortunate because you will never know what it means to be fully human.
You claim to be a church going Christian who truly cares, but you display passive-aggresive anger, and profound apathy-not only to Field, but your own race as well. Your many bloated comments indicate that you have no heart, no humility, and nothing 'constructive’ to offer.
It appears that your spiritual arteries are blocked with no possible corrective operation. I suggest that you consider changing your name and using the acronym- "SRHD". When enunciated, it has a nice ring to it. Try it. You'll like it... It stands for “Satan’s Right Hand Disciple”, and it fits you like a well-tailored suit.
Finally, you seem to pride yourself in attacking Field-as if you are 'on par' with him. You are completely deluded, because YOU ARE NOT. Mr. Field is LEAGUES above you as a human being in heart, intelligence, goodness and maturity.
B#
Anon 12:29pm
Smack him down!
I'm glad the President exhibits quiet but appropriate leadership. These pirates deserved to die. I don't have a problem with it. The US will not negoiate. Period. They knew the risk. If they increase the violence than more of them will die for sure. They can't compete with our military. They will die.
Now if only the countries that have hostages and cargo held in captivity with these losers could grow a pair or two...there too busy preparing to pay these thugs.
The hype about a damn dog, I don't give a damn. I've never cared before and I don't care now what type of pet the Presidents have.
So the warlords accepted money to take the toxic waste. See prior comments.
The fishermen are pirating to keep the toxic dumpers out and to chase away other fishers and exacting additional compensation for the toxic waste and fishing.
The Volunteer Navy of Somalia needs to use some of that compensation to acquire a superior spokesperson and additionally a world class lawyer.
There should be motions, petitions, exposes et cetera for the Somalian rights. The Somalians should be using the full spectrum of fighting these wrongs, there are world courts and they need to chase other forms of warfare, that can be as much or more effective than RPG's.
Yes they are just "poor" fishermen, but intelligent, motivated people and about to plan and organize sophisticated raids. They would do well to continue to the world's media and the world courts, now that they have our attention.
As much as you gotta love the RPG's, Somalia has little future pursuing this in terms of "might."
"Win"? Schmin...
Just another example of the Man keepin a Brutha down...
First: Someone out there, PLEASE! - convince us that there is no correlation between (Euro-Amer.)penis-challenged, beer-bellied 'good ole boys' and their obsession with:
(#1). Guns
(#2). Militarism and uniforms
(#3). Nazism /Confederate flag
(#4). Bible-thumpin'fundamentalism
Secondly: Congratulations - our President did get the facts and he did think BEFORE he yanked on his ...you know what.
Finally: Are there no authentic Black men with the 'cojones'
(sic?) to methodically eradicate the gangsta' urban-terrorists who hold our communities hostage? Or, are they also penis-challenged?
Anon 3:49p,
Why don't you lead the way, Mr. all-thinking-penis-head?
"Finally: Are there no authentic Black men with the 'cojones'
(sic?) to methodically eradicate the gangsta' urban-terrorists who hold our communities hostage? Or, are they also penis-challenged?"
Anonymous 3:49:
You know, anonymous I think you deserve an answer to your question, since you're so persistent in asking it. I know just the right person to answer that question for you too.
Shabazz, are you signed in, if so, would you please answer anonymous question for him/her, please, because I am tired of hearing certain ones imply that black men are punks when I know better. When you get through giving her/him an answer would you please ask them if men of other races are punks as well and are they willing to clean up their problem of thugs such as the ones I've listed:
Nortenos or Surenos (XIV, X4, 14)
Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13) (latin)
AK Boys (Asian)
Oriental Boys Society
Oriental Lao Boys
Blue Bird Gang (white)
Aryan brotherhood
White Supremacist.
Don't get me wrong, I am all for putting an end to the violence and thugs. My only problem with it is that it is not just black men that need to work on the thug problem. I would just like to hear a coordinated effort from others saying that they're going to work on their thug problems as well.
I'm tired of hearing the pot call the kettle black.
BTW, I could have listed more gangs but I figured that is enough for now.
The O man continues to be a rock star all over the world...even off the coast of Somalia.
Now America is having a love affair with his new dog Bo. America can't get enough of Obama. He remains untouchable from obese balloon shitasses like Rush Limbaugh and cowardly albino rats like Hannity and the rest of the rodent crew at Unbalanced Fake News. Republican minds are 'filled' with obsessive thoughts of Obama's success and goodness, causing deep mental depression while their ill-willed dark hearts turn on them like wild pigs.
Ah...life is good.
And yet another International Triumph... Obama lifts travel ban to Cuba. Sadly, he did not lift the trade embargo.... but that is being worked on....
For years, people to people exchanges had been going on, until Bush shut down all travel, even Cubans who were going back and forth to see family. Now, people to people exchanges can resume.... this promotes peace and understanding like nothing else can, so I for one am happy this ridiculous ban is gone.
Me too Jody, and I hope they lift the trade embargo as well.
I agree, Jody. Hopefully, Obama will lift the trade embargo in the near future. I am very excited and pleased with what Obama is doing in the international community. He is 'reconnecting' us to the human race and to the world....That's a good thing.
B#
Unfortunately, much more military action will have to be take; this is just the begining. The Somalis will not go gently into that good night. A concerted effort is going to have to be made to resolve this.
Imagine if a white president had made the call to have the Somalis shot. We'd never hear the end of the racism charges.
"Imagine if a white president had made the call to have the Somalis shot. We'd never hear the end of the racism charges."
I guess your overlooking the part about it was a white establishment that caused this mess in the first place by dumping toxic waste into their water. That's called environment racism, you ever heard of that?
Now, their trying to make the Somalia people out of the bad guys instead of victims of environment racism. Instead of trying to work with them and clean up the toxic waste, they'd rather label them the bad guys. How convenient and historical! Smh! Already their trying to slip in a label and get them classified as terrorist. Therefore, I guess, any and all countries white establishments messed over and destroy are considered terrorist, huh?
One question to you? How would you feel if another country that was predominantly black was dumping toxic waste in our waters? Nevermind, I think I probably already know the answer they would be labeled terrorist and thugs.
"Imagine if a white president had made the call to have the Somalis shot. We'd never hear the end of the racism charges."
Stop "fantasizing"...you are wasting your life. Deal with what 'actually' happenend. Our President got rid of pirates who held an American captive, and got the Captain back- safely and in good health. That's all.
Why not celebrate that? No need to imagine anything extra.
B#
Meh...I'm not gonna start waving any flags and shouting "U.S.A.! U.S.A.!" like this was an olympic hockey game. I'm also not going to call out righties for not giving the O-man "his props," like he just coached the Eagles to a super-bowl title, and I am really struggling to NOT go off on some of their equally bloodthirsty liberal counterparts, who seem to be enjoying this, just a teensy-weensy little bit too much.
I hate politicizing death and killing. It leads to "nationalism" and its baby brother, "patriotism," which ranks at the top of the "things that cause wars over differences between groups of humans" list.
As tempted as I am to admonish anyone for the overwhelming "rah-rah USA USA" reactions to this situation (most notably, from the left-side of the blogosphere), and how it has ALWAYS been the "fuck patience, lets kill something," approach that our country tends to take, whenever it comes to solving any difficult problems is I just can't. This was actually handled as well, as any type of crisis that I can remember in recent history, has ever been handled.
The Somalians were given every opportunity to end the stand-off peacefully, and they declined. They had a gun at the captain's back, and, no doubt at all, they would have used it. So as much as I regret the necessity to end this violently, I do understand it. I support the decision of the President and the skipper of the Bainbridge to act. I'm glad that Capt. Phillips is safe and that no U.S. personnel were killed or injured.
As much as a lot of my friends out there in this wide world, both lib and con, are acting as though this is some kind of "proof" that the U.S. is some kind of superstar in a great morality play, it's not. I think the past eight years, hell the past FIFTY years, have proven that. This was just a bad situation that, unfortunately, had no chance of ending well.
tjwash..... well said!
I'm glad the President exhibits quiet but appropriate leadership. These pirates deserved to die. I don't have a problem with it. The US will not negoiate. Period. They knew the risk. If they increase the violence than more of them will die for sure. They can't compete with our military. They will die.
The negotiations were an essential element to this success. Without them, the pirates wouldn't have consented to have their lifeboat towed in the calmer water behind the destroyer. The calm sea behind the destroyer made it possible for the snipers to set up their shots.
Someone was, pardon the pun, using their heads for a change.
I'm not gonna start waving any flags and shouting "U.S.A.! U.S.A.!" like this was an olympic hockey game.
There are 300 million people in this country. Some of them will always be shouting something. The Obama administration hasn't been doing it. They haven't treated this like a football victory.
TJWash:
"I hate politicizing death and killing. It leads to "nationalism" and its baby brother, "patriotism," which ranks at the top of the "things that cause wars over differences between groups of humans" list."
"it has ALWAYS been the "fuck patience, lets kill something," approach that our country tends to take, whenever it comes to solving any difficult problems is I just can't."
"This was just a bad situation that, unfortunately, had no chance of ending well."
Amen, Tjwash, amen! I feel ya!
LOL. This is funny. Clarence Thomas complaining about too much RIGHTS! I swear!
Apparently this negro really, really likes the plantation. How can you complain about too much rights. damn!
http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=04&year=2009&base_name=clarence_thomas_doesnt_think_y
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Shabazz, are you signed in, if so, would you please answer anonymous question for him/her, please, because I am tired of hearing certain ones imply that black men are punks when I know better. When you get through giving her/him an answer would you please ask them if men of other races are punks as well and are they willing to clean up their problem of thugs such as the ones I've listed:
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Nice, Granny! ;)
Grinder...wasn't talking about the O-man my friend...he handled the entire situation extremely well. I was just thinking out loud about my friends in the blogosphere that HAVE been these past couple of days (present company excepted of course). ;)
Just for a hoot...check out the comments in the huffington post. I had to do a double take, and check to see if I had accidentally gotten transported into a time machine to 2003 and stumbled across freerepublic.com for a second.
Yes granny, that was classic. @tjwash,as others already stated,that was well said.
B# Who do I make the check out to?
No,seriously, thanks for the kind words.
" Imagine if a white president had made the call to have the Somalis shot. We'd never hear the end of the racism charges."
*yawn*
most of you never gave even a little bit of a damn about Somalia or any place other than america. whether you know it or not you have been socialized (at best, indoctrinated at worst) to be unabashedly incurable zenophobes. so the pirate stuff was all fun and games until they go too close, and messed with america. now all of a sudden a few broke somalis are the epicenter of the american news cycle and the focal point for the practice exercise of power by Pres. Obama.
field, even the tenor of this post left me wondering why any sane rational person would want to think that all of this is really all about Obama getting to show off his presidential cojones. to prove that he has the biggest swagger stick. are we ever going to get past the point of thinking that might makes right? just because Obama can order a few summary executions, doesn't mean that he should. and he certainly should not do so even in part to prove his manhood to a bunch of neocon lunatics who would be more than happy if iraq, iran, and afghanistan (not to mention large pieces of africa) were converted into huge glass parking lots with the occasional oil well jutting up from the smooth landscape.
and please, let us glorify the precision and professionalism (not to mention the prescience) of those fine navy seals and the navy captain. if it's not exciting enough, let's make it more than what it was. did that fool actually say those shots were made from 100-200 yards away? more like 30-40 meters, from a relatively calm platform, in the prone position. it's not that hard, g.i. no.
it sickens me that supposedly rational people accept the most illogical explanations. why would a boatload of starving, dehydrated men, who consented to have their boat towed by the people with whom they are having an armed stand-off, all of a sudden decide to kill the only man standing between them and the certain deadly reprisal that must accompany any harm done to their hostage. his safety insured theirs. we already know those dudes are some bold mofo's. if they decided to go out in a blaze, why not open up on the ship? fuck shooting a hostage when i got a boat load of sailors ridin my ass.
nevertheless, the mind reading, future seeing naval captain who proclaimed that they were about to shoot the hostage, must surely have been correct. they teach that mind reading, future telling stuff at the naval academy. after all one of those pirates pointed a gun at the hostage. (although, hadn't they been pointing guns at him all along?)
or does all that credit for knowing the hearts and minds of the hostage takers also go to Obama?
saner heads in this thread finally pointed out that this whole "piracy" situation is far more complicated than most of us had ever imagined. and at the root of the issue is...wait for it...european colonialism and the continued raping and pillaging of african assets and resources by the same people who have historically used the motherland as their personal piggy bank.
of course, field pointed out (in quite the house negro fashion i must say) that there were some black folks involved in the screwing over of the other black folks in somalia. isn't that always how it goes? haven't we heard that rationale used to defend the institution of slavery and the execution of Malik El Hajj Shabazz? didn't some african chiefs sell black people to the whites as slaves, wasn't it black folks who gunned down Malcolm?
i was once hopeful that the son of an african, who is also a black man who grew up in any part of america, would be too sensitive to the underlying issues that permeated all the strife and problems of brown people around the world to ever react like this. but it seems that hope has died. Obama has demonstrated that he will continue the imperialist policies of using military force to impose the capitalist will of this country and it's european allies on brown and black people around the world.
you all should be so very proud.
I was waiting for someone to say something about three BLACK MEN being killed to rescue one WHITE MAN, well, I prayed to God that those black pirate's would not kill that white man! because if they had, the white racist would be in an uproar with their gun's! and they are waiting for any excuse to pull the trigger!
WHO THE HELL IS CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK AND WHAT WAS CONSTRUCTIVE IN ANY OF IT?
AND WHY AM I YELLING?
I know extreme poverty is driving some of these men to piracy. Piracy has become an economic equalizer for the $300 million dollars worth of fish being poached by Asian and European countries from Somali waters each year. The pirate ransoms equating to about $100 million, a little less than half of what is being poached.
Few countries have diplomatic relationships with Somali since the fall of the Barre regime in 1991. No power is seen as holding the sovereign authority over the state. So who do these countries negotiate with in these matters?
This is a dangerous game that is being played and one Somalians cannot win. Countries like Russia, China, Germany, Spain, U.S. and France are going to bring down the wrath of God, along with the hefty weight of their military upon the Somali pirates if this continues.
I cringe when I think about the possible outcomes.
Exodus sez - Obama has demonstrated that he will continue the imperialist policies of using military force to impose the capitalist will of this country and it's european allies on brown and black people around the world.
you all should be so very proud.Wow... That's f'ed up. Now the shooting of 3 Somalian crooks is an avatar for American foreign policy during the Obama era...
What a crock.
If President Obama decides to go in and level some fishing villages or towns where the pirates live...
Then you might have a point. But that hasn't happened...
Yet.
Lot of ugly in Somalia, and a good deal of it (indeed the vast majority) has nothing to do with anyone except the Somalian people.
btx3 don't take this personally, but your attitude is indicative of the zenophobia that I mentioned earlier. How completely crass of you to suggest than one Somali life is not enough to be a concern, but maybe a whole village might be?!?! But yet, one cuacasian american hostage is worth three Somali lives and a presidential declaration of what amounts to war against Somalians doing the little that is in their power to protect their interests.
That is naked imperialism; Neocon 101. If Obama were truly concerned, as he should be, about both sides of this issue, he would say so, and his actions would show it. He doesn't have to order the destruction of fishing villages if he stands by and does nothing while wealthy European interests dump toxic waste on one end of the Somali coast and steal all the fish from the other end. Those villagers will die just as surely as if Obama sent in an airstrike. I personally don't need bodies littered all across the landscape to convince me.
I wonder how many of your people would have to be killed for you to consider it worthy of censure?
And before you read this as support for the actions of the Somalians, let me clarify. I understand the piracy as a reaction, even as I understand that piracy can not be successful as a stand alone tactic. They are not going to win a shooting war with anyone, so these basically amount to suicide missions (at least in the long run, now that everybody is send warships). Current policy appears only interested in assisting this suicide, with the end goal of acquiring what remains for ourselves. The new face of imperialism is not much different from the old face. Just now it appears to be in black face. I wouldn't appreciate this action is Bush had done it and I appreciate it even less from someone I KNOW, knows better.
I don't agree with the dumping of waste, or taking away the livehood of fisherman and their villagers.
I also don't agree with 'pirates' robbing, stealing, and/or killing and to top it off only sharing their 'rewards' with a few.
Cinco:
"I don't agree with the dumping of waste, or taking away the livehood of fisherman and their villagers."
"I also don't agree with 'pirates' robbing, stealing, and/or killing and to top it off only sharing their 'rewards' with a few."
Granny agrees with most of what you said and feels the same, except the privates haven't killed anyone yet and I don't know who they've shared their reward with, so I can't speak on that. Other than that, we are in agreement. It is hard to side with two wrongs.
Exodus sez - How completely crass of you to suggest than one Somali life is not enough to be a concern, but maybe a whole village might be?!?!I don't have any special feelings for Somali pirates like you do. Indeed, back in the 80's here in certain parts of the US we had problems with pirates stealing boats to transport drugs. Boat owners who owned the targeted type of boat like myself started carrying "heat"...
Problem went away... Fast.
Anyone carrying a gun in the commission of a crime, and - in the case of the Somalian pirates who fire automatic weapons and grenade launchers at the target merchantmen putting the merchant men's lives at risk...
They get put down - I don't give a fuck - no matter from what country they crawled out of their mother's womb.
You do the crime...
But yet, one cuacasian american hostage is worth three Somali lives and a presidential declaration of what amounts to war against Somalians doing the little that is in their power to protect their interests. Somalian pirates ain't protecting shit. They are nothing more than thieves, murderers, and cutthroats.
http://www.antara.co.id/en/arc/2009/3/30/somali-pirates-kill-yemeni-fisherman/
http://english.horseedmedia.net/news/5591.shtml
The role of a government is to protect it's citizenry - no matter where in the world they are. If their citizenry are at risk from criminals on the high seas, outside of territorial waters of a sovereign nation, or as in the case of Somalia a country unable or unwilling to protect innocent people committing no crime...
Then bad luck for the bad guys.
European interests dump toxic waste on one end of the Somali coast and steal all the fish from the other end.Two European companies did conspire with Somali Warlords in 1991 to dump toxic nuclear waste off the shores of Somalia. They paid the Somali warlords $80 million to help unload the barrels and dump them into the coastal waters. The sons of the same warlords now have found a new gig. Instead of helping to poison their countrymen and children by selling rights to dump toxic waste in their back yard - they have hit upon piracy as a way to blackmail shipping companies.
These Warlords grandpas got their start in the business by hijacking Food and Medical shipments bound for refugee camps full of starving Somalis during the drought in the early 90's, and mass murdering their fellow citizenry having the temerity to object to starving to death.
Their "body count" is in the tens of thousands of their own fellow citizens.
Fine bunch of "patriots" you got there.
Second - it isn't European Ships "stealing" the fish off Somalian shores. The last two fishing ships they attacked were Egyptian. They murdered a Yemeni fisherman - who was fishing in Yemeni waters. They also attacked a Taiwanese fishing trawler - so it isn't exactly Europeans they are "defending against".
Further, if you look at a map of the 83 pirate attacks last year - the vast majority weren't even in Somalian waters...
http://unosat.web.cern.ch/unosat/freeproducts/somalia/Piracy/UNOSAT_SOM_Piracy_Gulf_Aden_Sept08_Lowres_v6.pdf
They were in the territorial waters of Yemen.
What? The nice Somalian pirates are protecting the Yemeni fishing rights?
Bullshit.
The Obama's did show racial insensitivity by not getting a white dog.<<
Well, his paws are white. Incidentally is his name Bo or Beau?
Wow, if what has been recently posted about the pirates is true, then I don't know what they're fighting for other than money and more of it.
a few bad apples done spoiled the whole bunch, girl.
nobody I know is defending the shitty shenanigans for Somali warlords. although I have come to realize that not everything we get from the mainstream press is true, it's equally true that not everyone who says they are for the people really are.
you've chosen to believe the worst of them, so be it. I've chosen to believe that there is truth and complicity on both sides of this issue. I feel there are better ways for both sides to handle the situation.
The rising body count serves nobody's interest. It perturbs me that more of us can't grasp that simple fact. bUT I'll be quiet while y'all celebrate some more American martial superiority.
smh sadly.
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