Friday, March 07, 2008

I am still not drinking.

Folks like "lolo" keep accusing me of being a closeted Obamaholic, and I keep telling you folks that I am not. Now I probably could be, but every time I even consider it, something comes up and reminds me not to drink the O-Aid.

Consider this:

As you all know Pennsylvania is now ground zero in the dumbocratic race for President. So I wasn't surprised that the "O" man reached out to certain union leaders here in Philly. I am willing to forget the fact that for years these building trade unions, kept qualified blacks out of big paying construction jobs, by demanding that they go through an apprentice program. Forget the fact that these poor individuals had no clue, and that they would never be able to get a sponsor. (But I seriously digress)

So the "O" man calls Pat Gillespie, a powerful business trades Manager here in town. And according to one of my local hometown papers (The Daily News), this is how the conversation went down: Gillespie-"The black guys are with you but I can't get the white guys" Obama- "Tell them I'm half white..tell them I am Irish." Gillespie-"If I tell them you're Irish, I lose the Italians". Ha ha ha ha. OK Gillespie said he was just kidding..but....I don't know "O" man.

And here is another reason why I know that I am not a real Obamaholic:

As much as I despise this campaign Hillary is running, if she wins the dumbocratic nomination, I am holding my nose and voting for her. Period. A real Obamaholic can't do that. They despise Hillary ( and often with a good reason to), but sorry, my right to vote is serious business, and I ain't sitting on the sidelines come November.


Zig B Free said...

If Hillary wins the nomination it will be once against a vote for the lesser of two evils but after the election I would probably leave the Democratic party and become register you know that mean

Christopher Chambers said...

No--vote for McCain. I'm telling you, he's going to be the next Eisenhower and the crap with the GOP is bubbling under the surface. This thing with the Democrats is going to be ugly...from Hillary and Bill marginalizing and outright purging people, to Obama deciding whether to support Hillary openly (remember how Ted Kennedy fucked Jimmy Carter in 1980?) to a douchebag like Harold Ford attcking Dean. Hold your nose is right, Field--but the stink will be unbearable. McCain's not going to let the Cheneyites and neocons through the door. Trust me, the mean old bastard has NOT forgotten what these people did to him in 2000 and 2004, no matter the smiles with Bush.

Still--Obama has the punch, man. These O maniacs need not give up hope and need to keep fighting. He's technically still the front runner and the fact remains even if she DOES steal the nomination, she cannopt win without him. He can win without her.

So don't call it Kool Aid. Cool it Communion wine...

Anonymous said...

I dont think that I would really like him being the Vice President. I want him to become the President. But how could he possibly work with her with all of that dirty stuff that she is doing to him?

Christina Springer said...

Field - I hear you. The game is insidious. No one can play with getting dirty. The question is - how dirty are they willing to get? I get the sense that Obama has a low tolerance level for filth.

On the other hand - Christopher - I can hear you about McCain't. This is still a 2 party system. But, I think I'd rather work against that.

The choice between two evils is not really a choice. It's is still evil. Any vote I cast in the election - dem, repub, independent or write-in is a vote. It still says something. And if only Horton hears me - I'll have been heard.

I suppose I'm tired of all the doomsday predictions. Internalized racism is such a powerful thing. We'd rather quit and lick our wounds, now than urge each other to fight.

Until we urge the Black community - and people in general - to try to be even half as good as characters in a children's book - change will never happen.

Resist the urge to grow crab claws. Go eat them in a restaurant. Then, come out, stand up and fight.

Cindy Loo Who

Blinders Off said...

I am not an Obamaholic, I also take my right to vote seriously.

I will not hold my nose and vote for Hillary if she is the nominee. I have no allegiance to either party. I questioned the Democrat party for having no back bone in 2000, 2004, and during the Bush Administration I finally woke and became an Independent.

For the first time in my life I will write in...unless a favorable candidate enter the race. (I am not talking about Nader)

Anonymous said...

Yo, Field
Everytime I hear people talking reckless that McCain is a good guy underneath it all I want to send them to a head doctor. That mofo is the Manchurian Candidate and a serious war monger to boot. Hell Obama better get his ass off the mat cause these Clintons are playing for keeps. This soft shit ain't gonna work in politics homeboy. Hell they all performing to be the next gopher to corporate America any damn way.

Anonymous said...

If Obama is leading in delegates at the end of the primary, but lack the outright number to win and, somehow, because of behind-the-scene negotiations, or backroom machinations, or the desertion of superdelegates--the pundits are saying that blacks will riot at the convention and bolt from the party.

Blacks will riot and bolt, but not whites? What makes these pundits think that only blacks will show outrage.

If Obama leads Hillary when this is all said and done, it will be as much about whites doing it as blacks.

And what about the youth vote, those young, idealistic, new voters who're voting for the first time--will it turn them against politics and discourage their future participation in the political process once they learn how "down and dirty" the process can be?

If it happens, I would like to see mass defections from the Democrat Party, and the formation of a new one.

I know how difficult that would be; I'm not delusional.

Yet, it would give the new party leverage when it comes to demanding all kind of concessions from the two powerful parties who now operate with impunity, without having to make substantial concessions to blacks or browns.

It's time we had a viable third choice in government. Or we'll be taken for granted for years to come.

A.F. said...

I hear you, Field--a vote is a serious thing...yet I just cannot cast one for HRC.

An aside: I was surprised to find out this evening that my 72-year-old (white working class high school educated and on food stamps) mother, straight out of HRC's supposed demographic, is so disgusted with the Clinton campaign that she refuses to vote for her in Florida, both in the do-over, if there is one, and in the general election. She's voting Obama, and staying home if it's an HRC/McCain choice in the general election. And she was an HRC lover like nobody's business until the past month of HRC's campaign. This may not be that interesting to anyone else, but to me, an Obama-holic, it was of tremendous interest.

Anonymous said...

Come election time in November, voters in five states might have a decision to make as big as whom to elect president.

Ballot initiatives have been proposed in Arizona, Colorado, Missouri, Nebraska and Oklahoma that would give voters the chance to decide whether they want to do away with affirmative action in government-funded projects and public schools.

Ward Connerly, who heads the American Civil Rights Coalition -- a nonprofit organization working to end racial and gender preferences -- and the main backer of the ballot initiatives, says the 37 word initiative would read: "The state shall not discriminate against or grant preferential treatment to any individual or group on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity or national origin in the operation of public employment, public education or public contracting."

I know Connerly could be House Negro of the week almost every week, but I think he deserves it for sure this week.

As per voting for HRC, I agree, she 's my Senator now and she got my vote in 2006. I have zero confidence in McCain to do the right thing before, every since he abandoned his stance on meeting with the Bob Jones type bigots and tried to court them. Plus some of social and domestic(Amtrak) policies are to the right of Bush. I want Obama but i'll still take the Clinton Remix over McCain.

Anonymous said...

I respect your choice, Field. My problem is that if HRC wins, we'll be stuck with a Republican and a closeted Republican as our choices for the next four years.

In the meantime, I'll be memorizing the words to "Oh, Canada" before eacn Leafs game between now and the end of the regular season just in case. (laughs)

The Christian Progressive Liberal said...

Field, if you're serious, you can always write in your own candidate instead of holding your nose to vote for the Borg Queen, or skipping the vote altogether.

I refuse to enable this heifer to get the White House, so she can continue to sling Black people under the bus for personal gain and profit.

And I'm not an Obamaholic, either. He is the one making me hold my nose and vote for him, because a close look at both their records are no more than mirror images of each other; the war vote on Iraq being the albatross to hang around Hillary's neck. However, if she wants to talk about character and qualifications, he needs to start nailing her about her husband's accomplishments during his years in the White House and how he set the table for a tanking economy and media consolidation that gives us no real coverage of issues of importance.

Journalists should be reporting the news, not being or making the news. Thanks to the media consolidation her husband set up, they cover up her shyt and going gangsta on the O man.

She steals the nomination after the will of the people say they want the O man, I'm voting for Cynthia McKinney. Period. Even if she puts the O man on her ticket.

The O man will be useless at that point, because he will have been de-fanged and you will have to give him a Lawn Jockey Award several times over. That's all he will be, instead of telling her to go to hell with her proposition because she needs our votes. He's already proven white people will vote for him.

Her scorched earth tactics are turning off all the groups she needs to keep in her base, with the exception of hysterical white women and people who wouldn't vote for a brotha (that includes some self-hating Negroes, too, y'all), so it may become moot.

The Christian Progressive Liberal said...

I meant I would vote for McKinney even if the Borg Queen puts the O man on her ticket.

And Christopher Chambers, you have more optimism about McStain than I do. If he's going to be Eisenhower, we should be seeing him distance himself from the stench of Bush RIGHT NOW.

He's kissing ass, big time, and he's never called out Bush for smearing his drug-addict wife or his Bangladeshi daughter, either.

Field, you can always write in yourself for POTUS, you know. LOL

Christopher said...

Field, Check this and it's from a former U.S. senator and a former presidential candidate:

“By saying that only she and John McCain are qualified to lead the country, particularly in times of crisis, Hillary Clinton has broken that rule, severely damaged the Democratic candidate who may well be the party’s nominee, and, perhaps most ominously, revealed the unlimited lengths to which she will go to achieve power. She has essentially said that the Democratic party deserves to lose unless it nominates her.” - former Sen. Gary Hart


And yes, you hit the nail on the proverbial head. We Obamaholics wouldn't vote for the Borg Queen if you put a gun to our heads. Like I said, I can wait for 2012 and Al Gore.

Christopher said...


I'm grabbing the hilarious picture of the shit-for-brains klansman you have up on your sidebar.

I'll give you a shoutout and a linkie. If this isn't cool, let me know and I'll take it down.

Thanks much.

Anonymous said...

... and you will have to give him a Lawn Jockey Award several times over. ...
the christian progressive 4:29

Again, Negreh-ta-roes, learn something about Jocko; do not defame him:

... "like the North Star that pointed fleeing slaves to their freedom, the Jocko statues pointed to the safe houses of the Underground Railroad. Along the Mississippi River, a green ribbon tied to a statue's arm — whether clandestinely or with the owner's knowledge — indicated safety; a red ribbon meant danger. Thus these original lawn jockey statues today fetch thousands of dollars as true artifacts of the Underground Railroad that conducted so many African-American slaves to freedom."...

SagaciousHillbilly said...

Hello, my name is Sagacious H and I'm an Obamaholic and I will vote for Hillary if she gets the democrat nomination.
McBush McCain back in the White House would only cause me to retreat into a self imposed isolation from the world until the nightmare of these corpo-fascist traitors were to pass. Otherwise I fear what my reaction might be.

Kellybelle said...

I just can't vote for HRC. I can't. I went to the library and rustled up all those right-wing anti-Clinton books I never bothered to read, like Peggy Noonan's The Case Against Hillary. My goodness, was I asleep during the '90s? I drank the kool-aid alright, the Clinton flavor.

Bill was a loveable doofus led by his genitals, but that woman! The lies, the obfuscation! Nothing matters to her but her. If she thought promising to repeal the 13th amendment would get her elected, she'd do it.

Obama and McClain have both shown a willingness to work across party lines to get things done. That woman (I can't even type her name) has done little as a Senator but set herself up for a presidential run. What has she done? Made sure that Harriet Tubman got a pension? While I appreciate the gesture, that doesn't do a thing about all the foreclosed homes I saw when I was canvassing for Barack.

If that woman is the Dem choice, voting for McCain will not be a problem for me. I actually agree with McCain on a few issues, and the fact that Limbaugh, Coulter an'nem hate him, must be good.

La♥audiobooks said...

"As much as I despise this campaign Hillary is running, if she wins the dumbocratic nomination, I am holding my nose and voting for her. Period. "

Ok.. but Field, you still have to hold your nose. So you might as well just go ahead and do that now for the O-laid. Just give it a taste, come on... "grin".

I was thinking something (it's unrelated). They say McCain would be the oldest president to be elected (if). Considering his age, makes you think how important it should be who he/they choose for his running vice prez. hmmm

Anyway man, try the O-laid!

Mes Deux Cents said...

Hi FN,

I will not vote for Hillary and Bill Clinton under any circumstance. And I am not an Obamaholic.

She's a race-baiter, she's desperate and Obama's adviser was right; Hillary Clinton is a monster.

Anonymous said...

@ Mes Deux Cents: You are HOT!

Ok, I got that out of my system...

It's your vote; your choice. I won't vote for HRC unless she or a reporter can figure out if McCain will bring back the draft. If yes; then fine I'll vote for her. If not, screw her then. I'll vote for McKinney or Kat Swift.

field negro said...

Chris feel fdree to use that Klansmans image.Hell I lifted it from someone else.

Chris C,I don't think can vote for Mr Morton,I just can't do it.

kid said...

Hey Field, I not someone that tries to tell someone what to do ,but your next blog should be about what Ward Tonnerly is doing. this is another one of the republiklans plans.Remember when Bush in his 2nd
stealing of a election they put anti-gay ballots in 11 states, its the same thing.Somehow we are going to somehow get people to stop this sick ass MOTHER FUCKER. how can a black man hate himself so much. Idont know who's worst him or Clarence Thomas. Think about it while voting against Barack, they can get rid of civil rights.

kid said...

If Hillary loves the brothers so much she should say something about this .Really she should drop out. I would really respect her for that.Ward is crazy, not like a fox, but like EVERYBODY on Fox.

Christopher Chambers said...

You must drink the Geritol (McCain's "Kool Aid") hahaha!!!

I have it on good account this Mr. Morton will prove all of you wrong. He will turn on the Bushies like and old dog. That m-f didn't survive in the Hanoi Hilton with a watch up his ass...oops...that was "Pulp Fiction"...anyway...he's cagey and mean. I worked on his old campaign in the primaries and yes, he's an old dog--he doesn't forget. You will ALWAYS know where you stand with the bastard, and there's no bizarre ideology at work a la Rove, Cheney...even Ward Connerly.

Clinton Remix means more cronyism, not advancement. Issues will be abandoned and promises broken at every turn. I prefer to deal with an old white man who's mean over a smiling white woman who promises...

PS--check out the photo on my blog

Anonymous said...

Hillary is counting on negros like you FN.

If Hillary manages to cheat Obama out of what he won fair and square and you don't send a message then you are just settling for the master who slaps you less instead of standing up and taking a "hit" (like McCain for president). In my opinion that is like the black folks who told MLK tha the was a trouble maker and alienating the good white folks...pushing them too far.

MLK had the opinion that if white folks were not with him they were not righteous and needed to be upset no matter if that alienated some and angered others and made the lives of many blacks in this country uncomfortable. It definitely did and MLK was responsible, but hey...wasn't that worth the cost? If MLK had your attitude he would have compromised with the 'good whites" who told him to "wait".

You don't have to vote Republican, vote for Nader, but don't vote for Hillary. You (and the rest of us) need to send the Democratic National Committee a firm lesson they (and their lawn jockey sellout mammy's and Toms) will not ever win a national election again if they continue to disrespect blacks.

Reality is the world is not going to radically change for most blacks if Centrist Hillary is in office, you know know the world did not magically change in the ghetto when Clinton was in office (due to anything he was actually responsible for...).

field negro said...

Dragon horse,let's slow down just a tad bit.The "O"man is not MLK.Sorry.

The "O" man is a politician trying to get elected President.It's a good think and important in the big scheme of things, but don't get it twisted
It's not going to change what's going on out here in places like Philly.

So yes,I repeat, I will pull the switch for Hillary.

And yes thinkaboutit you are right,the "O"man had better sho nuf get his ass off the mat.

As for Ward Connerly,I have had that slave catching Negro as my HN of the day more often than I can count.(He is on my side-bar again with this anti affirmative action crap.)That is one pathetic human being.

field negro said...

Oh,and another reason I will vote for HRC if it's not the "O" man is because the right wing loons hate her so much. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". It's that simple. I hate those mofos that much.

As usual sorry for all the typos. I am on my blackberry and I swear these keys are too small for my fingers.

Faith said...

This is a serious game of chess going on right now. Obama has won the latest caucus. He's all good right now. He didn't have to go negative. HRC is pissing off a lot of the Dem hierarchy too. He was so slick letting Samantha Power call HRC out on her mess and getting people talking about it. That was not a mistake. He's fighting back ninja style. Caucuses are great for him because there's less ability for cheating. McCain would be a 1-term President anyway. If she torches everything she's going to find herself without means of leaving the burning building. Obama will not accept a VP slot - heck he may even try to launch that third party. That would be powerful leverage against the Clintons since I believe a majority of his supporters are new to the party or are voting across party lines. Even if he doesn't do that I'm sure the idea has been floated around.

Christopher said...

Thank goodness this is cleared up.

Barack Obama was asked by a television reporter in Casper, Wyoming, "Can you ever see yourself on the same ticket as Sen. Clinton?"

Barack replied:

"Well, you know, I think it’s premature. You won’t see me as a vice presidential candidate — you know, I’m running for president. We have won twice as many states as Senator Clinton and have a higher popular vote and I think we can maintain our delegate count."

baatin. said...

holy shit! now they're officially pulling for a joint ticket. what's the strategy here? what the hell are they trying for? they MUST know now that people hate her for blindly fracturing the party....maybe they're afraid peopel simply won't turn up if she gets the nomination with her fucking dodgy tricks....

(CNN) — Even as Hillary Clinton's campaign attacked her rival, Barack Obama, for failing to "deliver on his promises," her husband, former President Bill Clinton said Saturday that a joint ticket pairing the two would be "almost unstoppable."

The former president referred to his wife's own comments that indicated a willingness to consider the prospect. "She said yesterday and she said the day after her big wins in Texas and Ohio and Rhode Island that she was very open to that and I think she answered explicitly 'Yes' yesterday," said Clinton during a Mississippi campaign appearance.

Anonymous said...

If Obama has any common sense, and I'm 100% he has more than I do, he will point his finger at HRC and proclaim, "I will not have presidential aspirations with that woman".

Woozie said...

Hello Field, I am an Obamaholic and should The Big O not get the nod, I will do what I expect every responsible Obamaholic to do-reevaluate the remaining candidates and make a wise decision.

This voting along party lines bullshit has got us into our current mes, and it has got to stop if this country is to have any future.

Anonymous said...

Black folk ( not AA, what do you call a white south african now living in America,) should never vote based on color or party affiliations. Why?
Hiram Rhoades Revels he was worst than uncle (clarence) tommie,the black man who introduced the bill and voted to give the slave holders back their property. Vote for a rebel, a maverick Obama or McCain but HRC Never she will do or say anything to get in that oval office.

Anonymous said...

I decided after S.C. That I would not vote for Billary. If she becomes the nominee it would be through manipulation of the system. She has broken the rules all the way. Now she wants the "primaries" in Fla. and Mich. to count.

God forgive me, but now I agree with Brush Lintball. The Cintons will do anything to maintain power. She will scuttle the party if she doesn't win. And if she does, I will still vote, but not for any Presidential candidate. I will try to make sure that Pres. McCain has a Veto proof Democratic Majority to deal with.

Wouldn't that be a kick in the head!

Anonymous said...

Yeah you're right, if Hillary wins, McCain will look more appetizing, or should I say more honest. 100 years of war in Iraq doesn't sound so bad, after all! Hmmmm.

J/K in case people didn't recognize the sarcasm. I will support Hillary because I am a democrat, but it will be hard knowing I'm voting for someone I can't stand. At least I know she's a good politician, and like I said that's not necessarily a good thing.

Anonymous said...

Okay, I agree that you aren't an Obamaholic but I like to tease you about teetering on the brink.

I'm not deciding yet exactly what I'm going to do come November. I gotta survive the next seven weeks out here in Jerks County first ad I pray for the patience and the strength to not whop somebody in the head if I overhear just the wrong thing.

Bernadette Merikle said...

November. If she's it, I won't blindly vote for her, but I would LIKELY vote for her given policy stances that (at least on face) are contrary to the other candidates (I don't need my brother to retire from the military after spending decades in Iraq). That said, while I won't swear off voting for Hillary in November, I also will not:

1. Bang on doors on my way to the polls to get others out to vote.

2. Act all two-faced and call people up or blog blow up about this "great lesser of two evils candidate" that everyone has to make it through rain, sleet, hail and snow to vote for.

3. Get all pissed off when the repubs try to get all dirty with it cause will be politics as usual.

And those are just three off the top of my head. The people who won't vote for Hillary are the least of her problems and the start of why she needs O running after her as veep as opposed to him needing her chained to his ankle. Clinton-Obama (Obama-Clinton) isn't the dream ticket. that's one for the sheets that would be the end all be all.

Anonymous said...

Clinton’s remarks, about Obama not ready to be commander and chief as much as McCain, were stupid and will be replayed by the Republican National Committee…I know you are not naive enough to think they are not taking note.

The grand goal of both candidates and all the party top dogs should be able to get a Democrat in the White House in 2009. They can argue about anything they want, but what Hillary has done has went against the parties organization goal.

It makes it appear that if she feels she can’t win she does not want him to win either so she can run in 2012.

She looks hypocritical though floating this joint ticket with her at the top idea.

If Obama is not qualified to be president then why would she have him one step from the presidency? If anything happened to her (i.e. cancer) he would be president, that can happen anytime after the enter office. So she is saying she would have someone on her ticket who is not qualified to be president?????


There is a difference between making an “impolite comment” and undermining someone’s ability to win in November when they are in the same party as you.

“Hart said against Mondale, Kerry against Dean, Dean against Kerry, or Bush against Reagan”

Yes and how many of these people won in November? Only Reagan (not a Democrat).

This also gives more power to the argument that Hillary is out for Hillary and does not give a rip about the party and having a Democrat, any Democrat in the office in November. Hillary cares about the Clinton brand and lordship over the party. It is in Obama’s favor to play this issue as it adds to her negatives and divisiveness.

On a related note, I would also say that Obama’s campaign needs to send out surrogates to Whitewater, Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey, Juanita Broderick, Marc Rich, Norman Hsu, the MacDougals, Vince Foster and Travelgate.

By the way, what do you think of Denise Rich’s campaign contributions to Bubba’s campaign and library in Arkansas prior to Bubba granting her husband a pardon? Any connection you think?

They need to link all of this to Clinton tax returns and all the documents from the White House and fund raisers she won’t release.

They also need to push the fact she being first lady (with no security clearance) does not make her ready to be president and Obama has held overall elected office longer than her.

They need to hit her with all of this over and over and over again. Also the fact that she failed to pass health care. They should play it simply, that if you are given a task to do at work, a major task and you fail then you should not be asking for a huge promotion. You don’t judge a leader by their experience by failing.

They must also show that Barack Obama had more experience in foreign policy than Bill Clinton did in 1992.

They need to hit her in a way that is not “negative” and “cheap” but is substantive and that does not ever come out of Obama’s mouth directly.

If he does not do this he faces looking weak like Kerry...low class white trash don't respect egghead elite above the fray" type people, as if that is not obvious. They respect fighters

Obama is looking very weak right now. He needs to destroy Hillary Clinton in a way that keeps him looking fresh and clean. Its possible but he needs to give the green light, if I can see it I know his advisers are telling him, but he has not been listening.
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Rent Party said...

Amusing: the girl in the Clinton fearmongering ad is really an Obamaholic:

Anonymous said...

I will not vote for Old Missy (HRC) under any circumstance. I would gladly vote McCain if and when she steals the Demo nomination. We have to take the blinders off. The mainstream Dems have shown us time and time again Black interests have to take back seat to the partisan power. Obama has shown a yearning to change that and get back to the Party of Truman and Kennedy not George Wallace and Lester Maddox.

We have to send a message that we shall no longer be th margianlized field eunuchs to Dem white power structure. HRC is still in her heart a Goldwater, bigoted racists, harridan.

Michael Fisher said...

Wayne, you may not be an Obamaholic (and neither am I), but the most fundamental white elephant (pun intended) in the room is that black folks en masse have used their precious died-for most basic civil right, the right to vote, and thrown it behind Obama. We can't let folks nullify our basic right - the right to vote.

So if you please, put this
image on your side bar. "Don't Nullify My Vote!"

Please spread the word. If we did Jena, we certainly can do "Saving Our Votes"

Anonymous said...

If Obama does not win, I will not hold my nose and vote for Hillary. I will vote Independent plain and simple.

Anonymous said...

wait!!! Field, et al... where did this toon come from WHERE! this is low lower than low... This artist is making a very bad insinuation that voting for Obama is like suicide by relating it to the 1970s Peoples Temple/Jim Jones Guyana mass suicide where the victims all drank laced Kool-Aid... this is not funny for it is saying to Africans that a vote for Obama is much like suicide. check that!

Anonymous said...

Speaking of people who drunk the Obama kool-aid

I'm temped to buy a shirt for the KKK shop owner in South Carolina.

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